This is Why You Remove State Names from YouTube Videos!!!!!!!

[THattaway]

What is the difference of you tubers doing what they do and sporting magazines doing what they've done for many years? Plenty of "secret" public hunting and fishing spots outed by articles and higher pressure as a result.

Two quotes come to mind.
Mr. Eddie Wyatt who was owner of The fly shop of Tennessee: "There are no secret spots."
Michael Waddell: "You are not God's gift to hunting. Hunting is God's gift to all of us."

No hunting or fishing spot lasts forever. They all play out eventually. Enjoy it while it lasts and appreciate it for what it is.

[GobbleGitr]

Seems like that is using personal data without permission to me

It's not.  Been discussed into the ground.  KY has several forums such as this.  They don't like non-res anymore than FL, MS, AL,  etc etc like non-res in their states.  Just the way things are now.

'Just the way things are' is no defense.  That kind of neutered opinion allows the loudest voices to dictate narrative and policies. 

[El Pavo Grande]

Magazine authors, Facebook Joe, Forum Bill..... all guilty of sharing specifics.  All negligent and selfish.  All for personal gain.  But, by and large, as discussed multiple times, are not as easily accessible and to the shear number of people as YouTube.  No membership or no subscription needed.  Simple clicks of a button and MILLIONS have access to.  So when someone like Dave Owens has a video titled "Real Turkey Hunting - XYZ Public Land DIY hunting" and the video has 462,000 views it's non-comparable.  Not 4,260 views....that's nearly half of 1 million views on one lone video. 

Guess what... no one is saying they aren't like able people.  No one is saying they don't share quality hunting videos.  No one is saying don't make money off your videos.  What we are saying is that by sharing specific information they have created a monster above and beyond normal pressure on public land.  All that is asked is to quit exploiting and promoting specific states, specific regions of states, and specific public lands.  Quit showing distinguishable landmarks, NF road signs, etc.  Quit being one of the root causes for hunter opportunity declines. 

Why can't one just share a picture and a story.  "I killed this turkey at 7:00am"?  Why does it have to be, "I killed this turkey at 7:00am on XYZ WMA" or YouTube blast of "killed in North XYZ state on NF"?   PERSONAL GAIN......fame, notoriety, money, clicks, likes, etc. Prove me wrong. 

I've concluded this much.  If you see nothing at all wrong with what they have been doing you are either naive, don't hunt public at all, don't hunt much public, you can't see past your enjoyment of the videos, or you are a fan club member.  Sometimes you either on the right side of history or the wrong side of history....let's keep our heads in the sand and see where this ends up. 

As far as states providing a search of names and counties for harvests, I don't understand why that's open for the public to view.  What's the reasoning for including the hunter's name?

[El Pavo Grande]

Accountability.

The state has your name.  You are accountable to them when you tag a turkey.  Why does anyone on the internet, whether it be someone from KY, NY, or CA, need access with your specific name? 

[THattaway]

Well since you've painted us all with one paint brush I've concluded I don't give a rip what you think of YouTube. You assume anyone who doesn't hate it is in love with it. You are wrong on plenty.

[eggshell]

The link I clicked on only allowed results for the current year, is this right? I know once I log onto my account I can get a history of all my checked birds back to 1990. This is my personal history and not viewable by the public. I like to be able  to do that and review when and where I had success.  I like their telecheck system, I did not like having to drive 20-30 mile to check a bird in some areas. I don't think this will cause near as much a problem as the Youtubers. The closest you can get is a county and that's not the GPS coordinates to a honey hole, so I feel pretty safe. However; the tubers have posted specific information like gates in the background that had visible numbers. That's pretty specific.

[UpperTully]

No doubt some YouTube videos have given away specific locations. I get the issue many would have with that. It's legit.

However the hypocrisy is more than real here. It's not a concern of our public lands, it's a personal issue.

Garnering discord against YouTubers because their so called exploitation and profit of public lands.

Yet posts sources to further exploit the WMAs they made kills on.

I even see posts damning the non-resident traveling turkey hunter, yet their on a quest to kill in 50 states.

Exploiting and profiting off public resources happens on bigger and perfectly acceptable levels. In fact it's some peoples livelihood. Damn those charter boat captains in the Gulf Of Mexico for advertising their services and profiting off public waters. They even feature their material on Youtube.


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[sixbird]

Accountability.

The state has your name.  You are accountable to them when you tag a turkey.  Why does anyone on the internet, whether it be someone from KY, NY, or CA, need access with your specific name?

That's the thing that jumps out at me with all of this. Sharing your name, etc. with the public.
There are nut-jobs in the animal rights movement who could wreak havoc on your life given that info.
And, just as a general principle, why does ANYBODY need to know your name? It's not a criminal database!


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[deerhunt1988]

The link I clicked on only allowed results for the current year, is this right? I know once I log onto my account I can get a history of all my checked birds back to 1990. This is my personal history and not viewable by the public. I like to be able  to do that and review when and where I had success.  I like their telecheck system, I did not like having to drive 20-30 mile to check a bird in some areas. I don't think this will cause near as much a problem as the Youtubers. The closest you can get is a county and that's not the GPS coordinates to a honey hole, so I feel pretty safe. However; the tubers have posted specific information like gates in the background that had visible numbers. That's pretty specific.

Yeah, the link is only good for this year.

But a quick information request could likely get you someone's information for way more years than that. Link below for information request. Information requests are a service all states provide

https://fw.ky.gov/More/Pages/Open-Records-Procedures.aspx

[UpperTully]

The link I clicked on only allowed results for the current year, is this right? I know once I log onto my account I can get a history of all my checked birds back to 1990. This is my personal history and not viewable by the public. I like to be able  to do that and review when and where I had success.  I like their telecheck system, I did not like having to drive 20-30 mile to check a bird in some areas. I don't think this will cause near as much a problem as the Youtubers. The closest you can get is a county and that's not the GPS coordinates to a honey hole, so I feel pretty safe. However; the tubers have posted specific information like gates in the background that had visible numbers. That's pretty specific.

Yeah, the link is only good for this year.

But a quick information request could likely get you someone's information for way more years than that. Link below for information request. Information requests are a service all states provide

https://fw.ky.gov/More/Pages/Open-Records-Procedures.aspx

Exactly what does this achieve by digging in the harvest records of these hunters?


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[deerhunt1988]

Public Information is public.  This is now entering the  . 

Crazy ain't it?

They refuse to quit naming states as they argue it does no harm. So i'm just opening folks eyes up to the power of public information. Information that is out there for free (most of the time) for everyone with only minimal effort required.

Heck, some states even will sell their license holder's information to 3rd parties. I've had to 'opt out' numerous times when buying licenses in other states.

[deerhunt1988]

The link I clicked on only allowed results for the current year, is this right? I know once I log onto my account I can get a history of all my checked birds back to 1990. This is my personal history and not viewable by the public. I like to be able  to do that and review when and where I had success.  I like their telecheck system, I did not like having to drive 20-30 mile to check a bird in some areas. I don't think this will cause near as much a problem as the Youtubers. The closest you can get is a county and that's not the GPS coordinates to a honey hole, so I feel pretty safe. However; the tubers have posted specific information like gates in the background that had visible numbers. That's pretty specific.

Yeah, the link is only good for this year.

But a quick information request could likely get you someone's information for way more years than that. Link below for information request. Information requests are a service all states provide

https://fw.ky.gov/More/Pages/Open-Records-Procedures.aspx

Exactly what does this achieve by digging in the harvest records of these hunters?


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They refuse to quit naming states as they argue it does no harm. So i'm just opening folks eyes up to the power of public information. Information that is out there for free (most of the time) for everyone with only minimal effort required.

Never underestimate the effort people will go through to find out where folks are hunting. There are way more hunters out there than you can imagine that will spend hours and hours tracking down the spots folks are hunting on video.

[El Pavo Grande]

Public Land is public.  Public Information is public.  This is now entering the  .  The worry about PETA knowing your identity is .  So what?  " Joe Smith just shot a turkey in Trigg County - let's get him Martha".  Jeez!  What a stretch.

Spread the wealth attitude.... Socialism creeping into hunting.

No problem with showing harvest #s, but individual names is ridiculous.  It's the state's business right know where I killed a turkey, not you or anyone else. 

[UpperTully]

The link I clicked on only allowed results for the current year, is this right? I know once I log onto my account I can get a history of all my checked birds back to 1990. This is my personal history and not viewable by the public. I like to be able  to do that and review when and where I had success.  I like their telecheck system, I did not like having to drive 20-30 mile to check a bird in some areas. I don't think this will cause near as much a problem as the Youtubers. The closest you can get is a county and that's not the GPS coordinates to a honey hole, so I feel pretty safe. However; the tubers have posted specific information like gates in the background that had visible numbers. That's pretty specific.

Yeah, the link is only good for this year.

But a quick information request could likely get you someone's information for way more years than that. Link below for information request. Information requests are a service all states provide

https://fw.ky.gov/More/Pages/Open-Records-Procedures.aspx

Exactly what does this achieve by digging in the harvest records of these hunters?


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They refuse to quit naming states as they argue it does no harm. So i'm just opening folks eyes up to the power of public information. Information that is out there for free (most of the time) for everyone with only minimal effort required.

Never underestimate the effort people will go through to find out where folks are hunting. There are way more hunters out there than you can imagine that will spend hours and hours tracking down the spots folks are hunting on video.

You truly think that's going to stop them? I don't see any issue with naming the state. However, your efforts are narrowing down to the actual place they're filming and killing birds. They're somewhat being discreet, you're exploiting the land for which they hunt even further.

I see your posts on here name the states for which you have killed birds in.

The kettle is calling the pot black here.


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[guesswho]

A bored redneck with a smartphone can find out just about anything they want to know.