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Started by Stoeger_bird, March 10, 2021, 01:51:58 PM
Quote from: Kyle_Ott on March 10, 2021, 08:19:00 PMI don't have a stake in the southeast's current situation but I know there's a portion of turkey hunters who seem to be the only fools on earth who don't believe that bag limit reductions and shortened seasons would help more turkeys survive each year.When goose or duck numbers go down, USFWS reduce the limits and shorten the seasons. When whitetail deer numbers go down, state agencies decrease the bag limits. Wild turkey numbers were highest when we had considerably fewer hunters killing them.There are too many examples of well managed private lands where harvest management is implemented with public land pieces immediately adjacent to them to dispute the efficacy of harvest reduction. The better hunting is simply across the line on private. It's not this great mystery as to why the higher quality hunting is on the private. It's because they don't have every Tom, Dick and Harry filling their limits over there. Clearly, part of the solution to the wild turkey's decline, particularly on public ground, is to simply reduce the number of turkeys Tom, Dick and Harry can kill on public lands I have listened to multiple podcasts with popular turkey hunting figures who want to fight bag limit reductions/shortened seasons and I've read hundreds of comments on Facebook boards fighting against these ideas. Meanwhile, these guys are all running around public lands filling their limits promoting public land as it continues to become depleted..... The status quo is simply not working in most parts of the country and I'm glad to see AL taking steps in the right direction. I have some friends who are stakeholders down there who lobbied hard for a 3 bird bag limit and a March 25th start date; they were optimistic that some change was implemented instead of maintaining the status quo but the fight is not over.While I agree that population decline is a multi-dimensional issue, what's best for the wild turkey certainly isn't good for the turkey hunter right now. Contrary to popular opinion, these are mutually exclusive things and there are some guys in this community who need to start to realize that. I'll be in a southern state next week and I'll be happy to kill one turkey(instead of 2) and drive home; I think the turkeys would be a whole lot better off if more people did the same.
Quote from: 3bailey3 on March 10, 2021, 08:47:01 PMYes our season opens two to three weeks before all bordering states open and at lest a mouth before the rest of the country, so yes we do get hammered early! I would like to see my state move it back to when other states open.
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on March 10, 2021, 08:09:57 PMGlad to see it! The public land pressure will definitely be better spread out. Folks were jumping around with the staggered opening dates on WMAs and zone differences. Don't know why someone would feel the need to kill 5 birds in a state... Get a few, if you need more, go to the next state.. A lot of the deer hunters recently turned turkey hunters crowd won't be near as successful those first 10 days without decoys. More gobblers on the landscape to help ensure the deed is done.Sure does suck for Mississippi public land though. Will be record sales of non-resident licenses next year.
Quote from: Hook hanger on March 10, 2021, 10:15:01 PMQuote from: deerhunt1988 on March 10, 2021, 08:09:57 PMGlad to see it! The public land pressure will definitely be better spread out. Folks were jumping around with the staggered opening dates on WMAs and zone differences. Don't know why someone would feel the need to kill 5 birds in a state... Get a few, if you need more, go to the next state.. A lot of the deer hunters recently turned turkey hunters crowd won't be near as successful those first 10 days without decoys. More gobblers on the landscape to help ensure the deed is done.Sure does suck for Mississippi public land though. Will be record sales of non-resident licenses next year.I kill 6 in my state and used to kill 6 in another state and kill 7 in another state and kill at least 4 in another and try and kill 5 in Al even. Too bad limits aren't higher
Quote from: Kyle_Ott on March 10, 2021, 08:19:00 PMI have listened to multiple podcasts with popular turkey hunting figures who want to fight bag limit reductions/shortened seasons and I've read hundreds of comments on Facebook boards fighting against these ideas. Meanwhile, these guys are all running around public lands filling their limits promoting public land as it continues to become depleted.....
Quote from: g8rvet on March 10, 2021, 09:50:43 PMQuote from: Kyle_Ott on March 10, 2021, 08:19:00 PMI don't have a stake in the southeast's current situation but I know there's a portion of turkey hunters who seem to be the only fools on earth who don't believe that bag limit reductions and shortened seasons would help more turkeys survive each year.When goose or duck numbers go down, USFWS reduce the limits and shorten the seasons. When whitetail deer numbers go down, state agencies decrease the bag limits. Wild turkey numbers were highest when we had considerably fewer hunters killing them.There are too many examples of well managed private lands where harvest management is implemented with public land pieces immediately adjacent to them to dispute the efficacy of harvest reduction. The better hunting is simply across the line on private. It's not this great mystery as to why the higher quality hunting is on the private. It's because they don't have every Tom, Dick and Harry filling their limits over there. Clearly, part of the solution to the wild turkey's decline, particularly on public ground, is to simply reduce the number of turkeys Tom, Dick and Harry can kill on public lands I have listened to multiple podcasts with popular turkey hunting figures who want to fight bag limit reductions/shortened seasons and I've read hundreds of comments on Facebook boards fighting against these ideas. Meanwhile, these guys are all running around public lands filling their limits promoting public land as it continues to become depleted..... The status quo is simply not working in most parts of the country and I'm glad to see AL taking steps in the right direction. I have some friends who are stakeholders down there who lobbied hard for a 3 bird bag limit and a March 25th start date; they were optimistic that some change was implemented instead of maintaining the status quo but the fight is not over.While I agree that population decline is a multi-dimensional issue, what's best for the wild turkey certainly isn't good for the turkey hunter right now. Contrary to popular opinion, these are mutually exclusive things and there are some guys in this community who need to start to realize that. I'll be in a southern state next week and I'll be happy to kill one turkey(instead of 2) and drive home; I think the turkeys would be a whole lot better off if more people did the same. Nail, meet head. Good post. And furthering that point is that hunter induced mortality is a small drop in the bucket on migrating ducks and geese. The same is not true for turkey at all. Way higher hunter mortality in the male turkey population. Way higher. I practice what I preach on Redfish too-only kept one in the two days most times, sometimes none. I don't keep ANY spotted seatrout over 20" unless gut hooked (one over 20 is legal).
Quote from: 3bailey3 on March 10, 2021, 10:03:30 PMi agree a lot with the chicken manure theory, a few places i have hunted use it a lot and have way less birds, one guy that had big fields around our club and put out chicken manure to help grow his fields for his cows and always found dead birds in his fields and he claimed it was not the manure. I have always heard to used feeders not breeders for manure.