Just an update, due to the fact that I haven't been able to find a gun shop with either in stock I decided just to drill and tap my 870 and put my aimpoint on it i know thr Savages just started shipping, but I haven't been able to find anyone too ambitious about tracking one down and getting it in. So that will have to be next years project! I will post pics of how the 870 and the new sumtoy do!