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Seeing a decline in turkeys

Started by kdsberman, March 20, 2018, 09:12:37 PM

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Kylongspur88

As I said in another thread turkey populations are down in many parts of Kentucky. A few bad hatches and expolosion in the coon population are factors. I think all nest raider populations are up. People just don't trap and run dogs like they used too. Land access has alot to do with that in my opinion.

GobbleNut

Really interesting discussion here.  Lot's of opinions as to what might be happening in different parts of the country.  The fact is, everybody is probably correct to some degree in their individual assessments of the factors impacting turkey populations where they are located.  I might as well add my penny's worth...

The bottom line is that, as hunters and conservationists, there are some factors we can have a positive impact on,...and others we cannot.  Having a thorough understanding of wild turkey biology, and basing hunting/management decisions on that is one of the things we can control.  One of the most obvious is the setting of season dates.  The entire premise of spring gobbler hunting is that if you let the turkey population have adequate time to breed before you hunt them, it does not matter how many gobblers you take out of the population afterward.  Simply put, spring hunting in properly-timed seasons has no impact on wild turkey populations,...IF (and its a big IF) all/some other factors (environmental factors, habitat, predation, etc.) are not overwhelmingly negative. 

Get the right combination of factors for a few springs and turkey populations can skyrocket.  Get the wrong combination, and they can plummet.  Those, in either case, are almost never associated with human predation/hunting, but the most obvious result of those combinations of either good or bad factors is the quality of our turkey hunting in any given place and year. 

Human-induced factors are another matter.  Changing agricultural practices, use of pesticides/herbicides that may very well be impacting nesting success and poult survival, introduction of poultry diseases due to the expanding domestic poultry industry, changes in social attitudes about predator control, artificial feeding practices, climatic changes (especially increased spring flooding), etc......all have the potential, singly or in combination, to significantly impact turkey populations. 

As far as habitat/carrying capacity goes, the good news is that we are perfectly capable of modifying that for the good,....if there is enough desire to get it done.  The bad news is that population recruitment (poult survival) is not so easily accomplished.  We have to have some help from nature on that one.



kdsberman

Lots of good input on this thread.  A lot of things I never thought of that make perfectly good sense.  I always was a little irritated that MI has only a 1-bird limit.  But now, I'm almost glad they do. 

My dad and I really started getting into trapping raccoons last year and will be doing it even more this year, with the intention (and hope) that the nest predation would be reduced.  Maybe I'm crazy.  Maybe what we're doing won't help a darn thing, but to me if it saves even 1 poult I'm all for it. We got 20 of them last year.  As far as I know there are no other turkey hunters within 3/4 mile of where we're at.


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Rzrbac

I usually do a little trapping for yotes and cats to help the deer on my place. I may try to do coons next year in my turkey hunting spots, can't hurt.

zelmo1

Coyotes, coons and crows, I try to keep the populations down as much as possible. I think if their numbers are up, turkeys are down. Just my observation over the last 25 years in New England. Al Baker

kdsberman

I've seen the flock in my area this year, and although things can change from now until 3 weeks from now, it sure is pathetic. 1 tom in the whole flock.  The spot I've seen birds for YEARS I have yet to see one bird this year.  Barely any tracks.   Sure is depressing. I'm asking myself, should I even hunt?   Seems to me that shooting a tom would be brutal to the population in this area.   

Just can't believe I go from seeing 5-6 toms every year, multiple jakes, and probably 30 hens .. to averaging 2 toms at the most, maybe a jake or two, and maybe 10 hens.


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