Ive been using the 3" LB with the carlson LB choke on my Vinci this year. Ive shot it at 25 yards a couple times and havent been able to count the pellet holes. Theres a few spread out bbs and a bullet hole right in the middle about 1.5" diameter. It shot about 6-8" high at 25 so i bought a red dot to take out the guess work.