Found a kicks gobblin Thunder choke today at a store that was going out of business for $18. I shot it at 40yds with Winchester Longbeard XR in both # 4 & 6 shot. The #4 in a 3" she'll and #6 in a 3.5". The #4 put 117 pellets in a 8.5x11 sheet of paper and the #6 put 256 on the paper.