I bought a box in Wal-mart Friday night just to play with something new. It was the 3" 13/4oz #5. I shot some this morning in my BPS with the Indian Creek choke. If I don't change my mind this will be the load for this gun. I didn't take pics of teh patterns but there aint a turkey in the world that would survive a hit from these. I used W-W 3.5" 2oz #5 last year and Heavy 7. I like this better. reflexl