When I was 14 I saved money all summer to buy an 835 in the old mossy oak treelimb (?) pattern. Of course, I just HAD to shoot 3.5" shells in it. I was pretty beat up after my first patterning session and I'm sure a had one heck of a flinch by then but she was a killer. Finally got my first turkey that spring with it my 3rd season. Loaned it to my cousin that next fall to use and lo and behold his bedroom caught fire and there went my 835. Got my 11-87 with the insurance money and today have a SBE2 although I kinda miss the ol mossy. maybe I'll pick up another someday.