I was a devoted Hevi-shot user when they first came out . Even though it felt like you were throwing dollar bills at the targets ! Then I started getting terrible patterns so I switched to a new brand . I for one don't want to risk a crippling shot or a miss on Batch #s . Every shooter should be able to pick up ANY box from their favorite manufacturer and get consistent results EVERY time . I now shoot Winchester Extended Range and they are incredible . After a gobbler does the Winchester backflip, they usually never move again . Not taking chances that I might get lucky and buy a box of Hevi's that were loaded right . No thanks !