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Putt or cluck mouth call

Started by ClayR089, January 16, 2023, 10:47:45 AM

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ClayR089

I've never been good at either of these well. What word is everyone using to make these noises? I've found you just gotta try different words cause everyone is different and one may work for you but not another person. So let's hear what others are saying and maybe it'll help each other out.


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silvestris

I can't interstate why someone would intentionally attempt to produce a putt.  However, clucks can sometimes be as dangerous as a putt.  Context is what matters in the use of a cluck.  The safe use is to use purrs or light yelps in conjunction with your clucks.
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Tail Feathers

I kind of mouth a "pook" or "puck" sound to get a cluck.  You never want to putt. That's a danger sound to a turkey.
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ClayR089

I guess that my point of asking the question, is I want to produce the best cluck with my Yelp. Rather than putting. That's all I'm here for


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Tom007

In the early 80's, I decided to learn how to use a mouth diaphragm. I purchased an instructional cassette tape from Knight & Hale that explained how to use the mouth call. Fantastic learning tool, I picked it up quickly. The word I remember they said to use is "chalk". It does work, and with practice you will get real good at it, or you might get divorced.....My honey (girl friend at the time) did start to get sick of hearing me, but today as my wife she jokes about it and is very used to hearing Turkey calls. God bless her for putting up with me....great lady.... :lol:

EZ

Do it however you feel comfortable. Turkeys pitt, putt, cluck, cut, etc. If you've heard a turkey alarm putt, you know what it is....don't do that.

Kygobblergetter

Mine is probably closest to pick or Pitt. Could also be bick sometimes. It really just takes playing with the calls. Video yourself from about 20 yards or so and listen to it to see what sounds best to you


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GobbleNut

Quote from: silvestris on January 16, 2023, 11:06:10 AM
I can't interstate why someone would intentionally attempt to produce a putt.  However, clucks can sometimes be as dangerous as a putt.  Context is what matters in the use of a cluck.  The safe use is to use purrs or light yelps in conjunction with your clucks.

Agree totally with this comment.  If you are uncertain about how your clucks sound to a turkey, just throw in some yelps when you cluck.  In my experience, a truly alarmed turkey that starts putting never yelps in conjunction with those sounds.  True alarm putting that is going to send turkeys away pretty much comes in multiples rather than single notes and they are often evenly spaced, loud, abrupt, popping sounds.  In addition, they are invariably coming from turkeys that are getting further away and usually very quickly.  Over the years, I have had many such experiences.  ;D

Furthermore, turkeys have an innate ability to distinguish between clucks and putts that we humans often have trouble with.  On several occasions, I have watched groups of unalarmed turkeys going about their business, and all of a sudden one of them has made what sounded to me like a "standard" cluck,...only to see the entire flock immediately go into heads-up alert mode.  Then, just a quickly, after surveying their surroundings, they all go right back to whatever they were involved in. 

The points to be made, I think, is that a) what we hunters think is a cluck or a putt may well be interpreted by real turkeys as something different, and b) if you are going to use clucks individually, don't do a bunch of evenly spaced, loud, abrupt, popping sounds that YOU think are clucks because, again, the turkeys may think differently about them.   :toothy9: :newmascot:

RutnNStrutn



Quote from: silvestris on January 16, 2023, 11:06:10 AM
I can't interstate why someone would intentionally attempt to produce a putt.

I can!!!!
EVERY turkey hunter has been busted before. Early in my turkey hunting career, I would just accept defeat as the turkey retreated, putting as it went.
Then one fine morning after being busted, I thought, what do I have to lose? The turkey is already beating feet, putting as it goes. So I tried it. AND IT WORKED!!!
That morning I was busted by a group of hens and a gobbler. I was changing positions, but unbeknownst to me, they were too! I came around a corner and there they were. They started retreating and putting. So I putted back while slowly easing to the ground in my leafy camo suit. They calmed right down, turned and came back, and a minute later I blasted the gobbler while surrounded by hens.
Since then I have used the same technique many times. Sometimes successfully, sometimes not.
But putting at turkeys works! I don't use this method unless I get busted though.
And yes, at times I get impatient and push the envelope, which leads to me getting busted. But that's a different argument, and it is also a different technique that has gotten me many gobblers.
The point being is that after sitting and watching many gobblers walk out of my life, I changed tactics. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Some of you may agree with me, some of you definitely won't. Doesn't matter to me. I hunt the way I hunt.

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Dr Juice

Quote from: RutnNStrutn on January 18, 2023, 01:14:23 AM


Quote from: silvestris on January 16, 2023, 11:06:10 AM
I can't interstate why someone would intentionally attempt to produce a putt.

I can!!!!
EVERY turkey hunter has been busted before. Early in my turkey hunting career, I would just accept defeat as the turkey retreated, putting as it went.
Then one fine morning after being busted, I thought, what do I have to lose? The turkey is already beating feet, putting as it goes. So I tried it. AND IT WORKED!!!
That morning I was busted by a group of hens and a gobbler. I was changing positions, but unbeknownst to me, they were too! I came around a corner and there they were. They started retreating and putting. So I putted back while slowly easing to the ground in my leafy camo suit. They calmed right down, turned and came back, and a minute later I blasted the gobbler while surrounded by hens.
Since then I have used the same technique many times. Sometimes successfully, sometimes not.
But putting at turkeys works! I don't use this method unless I get busted though.
And yes, at times I get impatient and push the envelope, which leads to me getting busted. But that's a different argument, and it is also a different technique that has gotten me many gobblers.
The point being is that after sitting and watching many gobblers walk out of my life, I changed tactics. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Some of you may agree with me, some of you definitely won't. Doesn't matter to me. I hunt the way I hunt.

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Awesome tactic and will be used by me under the same conditions. Thx for sharing brother!

GobbleNut

Quote from: Dr Juice on January 18, 2023, 04:38:04 AM
Quote from: RutnNStrutn on January 18, 2023, 01:14:23 AM


Quote from: silvestris on January 16, 2023, 11:06:10 AM
I can't interstate why someone would intentionally attempt to produce a putt.

I can!!!!
EVERY turkey hunter has been busted before. Early in my turkey hunting career, I would just accept defeat as the turkey retreated, putting as it went.
Then one fine morning after being busted, I thought, what do I have to lose? The turkey is already beating feet, putting as it goes. So I tried it. AND IT WORKED!!!
That morning I was busted by a group of hens and a gobbler. I was changing positions, but unbeknownst to me, they were too! I came around a corner and there they were. They started retreating and putting. So I putted back while slowly easing to the ground in my leafy camo suit. They calmed right down, turned and came back, and a minute later I blasted the gobbler while surrounded by hens.
Since then I have used the same technique many times. Sometimes successfully, sometimes not.
But putting at turkeys works! I don't use this method unless I get busted though.
And yes, at times I get impatient and push the envelope, which leads to me getting busted. But that's a different argument, and it is also a different technique that has gotten me many gobblers.
The point being is that after sitting and watching many gobblers walk out of my life, I changed tactics. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Some of you may agree with me, some of you definitely won't. Doesn't matter to me. I hunt the way I hunt.

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Awesome tactic and will be used by me under the same conditions. Thx for sharing brother!

Absolutely!  Have done the same on a number of occasions.  As stated, it works sometimes,...and others not.  The times I have had it work are those occasions where the turkeys saw something out of place or movement but did not recognize what it was (me).  On the other hand, I can't say that I have ever had it work when the turkeys positively identified me as a human being,...at least I can't remember a time like that. 

Another point to be made here is that learning how to make realistic putts as close to what those turkeys are making is a key component to successfully settling them down, in my opinion.  Real turkey putting is a very distinct sound that turkeys immediately identify from what I have seen over the years.  From my experience, a hunter needs to get that sound as closely as possible when trying to get alarmed turkeys to settle down and perhaps look for the source of the putting they hear you making.

I will also reiterate the point I believe silvestris was trying to make.  Using the putt as a general calling technique, rather than in the situation described above, is probably not a good idea.  Both the point,...and the counterpoint,...are valid, depending on the circumstances, I think. 

I believe the original poster was concerned that his clucks might sound like putts when used individually in calling to turkeys.  Although I doubt that is the case MOST of the time, a good way to avoid that possibility is to use clucks (even those that might be close to sounding like putts to a real turkey) in conjunction with other natural turkey sounds that turkeys also generally use when clucking.

Now, as we have discussed in other posts, there are times when single clucks are the appropriate response to a turkey that is close and making those "where are you?" "bubble" clucks.  ...Different discussion there...   

RutnNStrutn

Quote from: Dr Juice on January 18, 2023, 04:38:04 AM
Quote from: RutnNStrutn on January 18, 2023, 01:14:23 AM


Quote from: silvestris on January 16, 2023, 11:06:10 AM
I can't interstate why someone would intentionally attempt to produce a putt.

I can!!!!
EVERY turkey hunter has been busted before. Early in my turkey hunting career, I would just accept defeat as the turkey retreated, putting as it went.
Then one fine morning after being busted, I thought, what do I have to lose? The turkey is already beating feet, putting as it goes. So I tried it. AND IT WORKED!!!
That morning I was busted by a group of hens and a gobbler. I was changing positions, but unbeknownst to me, they were too! I came around a corner and there they were. They started retreating and putting. So I putted back while slowly easing to the ground in my leafy camo suit. They calmed right down, turned and came back, and a minute later I blasted the gobbler while surrounded by hens.
Since then I have used the same technique many times. Sometimes successfully, sometimes not.
But putting at turkeys works! I don't use this method unless I get busted though.
And yes, at times I get impatient and push the envelope, which leads to me getting busted. But that's a different argument, and it is also a different technique that has gotten me many gobblers.
The point being is that after sitting and watching many gobblers walk out of my life, I changed tactics. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Some of you may agree with me, some of you definitely won't. Doesn't matter to me. I hunt the way I hunt.

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Awesome tactic and will be used by me under the same conditions. Thx for sharing brother!


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Mossberg90MN

I think mouthing words is a good starting point. For me I'm not so much mouthing words anymore as I am doing a combination of popping my lips some, changing the pressure and location of my tongue, and using the putt cadence.

I've only used the putt once. I was in Iowa heading to a roosted bird at first light, pretty much at fly down. As I made a turn behind a rock there was a hen there and she made a slight commotion booking it. I did this startled cackle that transitioned into a decreasing putt, leading into a searching style yelp.

He hammered it but I think all the commotion kept him in the tree, because I eventually bumped him off the limb trying to close the distance.


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Tom007

Quote from: RutnNStrutn on January 18, 2023, 01:14:23 AM


Quote from: silvestris on January 16, 2023, 11:06:10 AM
I can't interstate why someone would intentionally attempt to produce a putt.

I can!!!!
EVERY turkey hunter has been busted before. Early in my turkey hunting career, I would just accept defeat as the turkey retreated, putting as it went.
Then one fine morning after being busted, I thought, what do I have to lose? The turkey is already beating feet, putting as it goes. So I tried it. AND IT WORKED!!!
That morning I was busted by a group of hens and a gobbler. I was changing positions, but unbeknownst to me, they were too! I came around a corner and there they were. They started retreating and putting. So I putted back while slowly easing to the ground in my leafy camo suit. They calmed right down, turned and came back, and a minute later I blasted the gobbler while surrounded by hens.
Since then I have used the same technique many times. Sometimes successfully, sometimes not.
But putting at turkeys works! I don't use this method unless I get busted though.
And yes, at times I get impatient and push the envelope, which leads to me getting busted. But that's a different argument, and it is also a different technique that has gotten me many gobblers.
The point being is that after sitting and watching many gobblers walk out of my life, I changed tactics. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Some of you may agree with me, some of you definitely won't. Doesn't matter to me. I hunt the way I hunt.

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Can't argue with success here, thx for sharing this tactic. I will use it if the situation warrants it. Be safe

Yoder409

Quote from: ClayR089 on January 16, 2023, 01:28:26 PM
I guess that my point of asking the question, is I want to produce the best cluck with my Yelp. Rather than putting. That's all I'm here for


Whatever "word" you come up with to cluck.......pick, puck, buck, pook.........that'll be your own personal thing.  Whichever controls your air better.  And THAT word will be the SAME word you'll use to putt.  The DIFFERENCE is the amount of force used AND the cadence.  Putts are sharper and louder.  And the alarm putt almost always has a repetitive cadence as the bird is walking or running away.  Usually somewhere between 2-4 seconds apart.
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