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Started by TurkeysForTomorrow, September 15, 2022, 12:06:35 PM
Quote from: GobbleNut on September 17, 2022, 10:04:42 AMTo me, here's the bottom-line implication of these studies that seem to end up with similar conclusions. That is, recent trends in a number of states/regions seem to indicate that long-term reproductive failure is gradually wiping out turkey populations,...or at least diminishing their numbers such that there will, at some point, not be viable numbers to justify hunting. If this is truly the case, we are headed for extreme restrictions on hunting,...or the total elimination of hunting,...unless we look at alternative methods of reinforcing turkey numbers in those places. Artificial propagation (somehow protecting nesting hens through artificial means) and/or supplementation (transplants) will, at some point, have to be put on the table as a solution. Regardless, we cannot keep killing turkeys in places where they are not naturally replenishing themselves in numbers that keep up with all the mortality factors involved. For wildlife managers, and us turkey hunters, that is a no-win proposition. Something has to give at some point. We can't keep crossing our fingers and hoping that next year things will magically change and we will have successful nesting and population recruitment. Alternatives to finger-crossing must be anticipated, contemplated, and explored.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on September 19, 2022, 02:58:33 PMQuote from: GobbleNut on September 17, 2022, 10:04:42 AMTo me, here's the bottom-line implication of these studies that seem to end up with similar conclusions. That is, recent trends in a number of states/regions seem to indicate that long-term reproductive failure is gradually wiping out turkey populations,...or at least diminishing their numbers such that there will, at some point, not be viable numbers to justify hunting. If this is truly the case, we are headed for extreme restrictions on hunting,...or the total elimination of hunting,...unless we look at alternative methods of reinforcing turkey numbers in those places. Artificial propagation (somehow protecting nesting hens through artificial means) and/or supplementation (transplants) will, at some point, have to be put on the table as a solution. Regardless, we cannot keep killing turkeys in places where they are not naturally replenishing themselves in numbers that keep up with all the mortality factors involved. For wildlife managers, and us turkey hunters, that is a no-win proposition. Something has to give at some point. We can't keep crossing our fingers and hoping that next year things will magically change and we will have successful nesting and population recruitment. Alternatives to finger-crossing must be anticipated, contemplated, and explored. Great post!! But, it just has to be MORE than hunting regulations. I've seen it first hand in my state of Arkansas. We have reduced harvest greatly through regulations (for years), as much as simply having less turkeys. And yet, the decline has continued. I am all for research and appreciate it. But, at some point I hope as much funding and focus is placed on actions that promote nest survival and poult survival to adulthood. I 100% believe that habitat is the foundation. We have a loss of available habitat and a need for improvements in nesting / brooding habitat. That can help offset predation and weather, etc. But, despite much of the politically correct biologist talk, I just don't buy into thought that actual predator control can't play a role in management. Basically, let's quit talking the talk, and let's walk the walk. My state needs an all out campaign to incentive private land owners, and timber companies (good kick with that one) to improve habitat. They need to look at the effects of baiting deer with corn... direct effects on turkey health and indirectly supporting the coon and possum populations, etc. I am in the minority in my state to applaud the AGFC for addressing the harvest of male turkeys and protecting hens (no fall since 2011 and last year prohibiting bearded hens), but beyond directly addressing the problems head on with nest/poult success I'm not convinced. I wore that's the trap other states fall on into. Personally, I think the state needs to promote an increase in predator removal. 5X the increase of predators on improved habitat can still wreak some havoc.