I went with the votes and keepin the Sumtoy. I run a red dot and hope I am experienced enough to keep my heart out of my throat to squeeze the trigger on an up close bird. I am going to try a .570 Sumtoy just to satisfy myself, but I am done after that. Both Jebs and Sumtoy make fantastic chokes and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend either. I put the Jebs on the 20 gauge choke classifieds...thanks for all the opinions. The patterns were so good, I just kept second guessing myself...