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Started by ozarktroutbum, January 18, 2020, 01:44:08 PM
Quote from: GobbleNut on January 21, 2020, 11:12:53 AMQuote from: Hobbes on January 21, 2020, 10:36:21 AMThis idea of a terrible sounding hen is based on a false impression of what a turkey should sound like. I've heard a lot of variations from hens, but have yet to hear one that I thought sounded bad. A big flock of Merriam's hens can be some of the loudest most obnoxious sounding turkeys there is. That's probably the case with any big flock. Ive heard sounds that I knew that I could not duplicate on my best days (and that's just variations in a Yelp). It's often those scratchy, off key and tempo yelps that assures me it is a real hen. But....that's not what I'd call bad sounding...that just sounds like a real hen going about her usual business being a turkey. If YouTube is any indication of the skill level of most callers.....most folks suck. In fact I'd say considering the kind of calling that a lot of folks are willing to share, they don't know the first thing about how they or a turkey sounds. It obviously doesn't matter on some days, but it's painful to listen to.Good little chat we got going on here....The fact is that if every one of us based our calling on heading to the turkey woods, listening to the turkeys in our areas, and then trying to sound like them, I believe we would find an awful lot of variation in what each of us defined as good turkey calling. Another fact is that, listening to the highest level contest callers (and don't get me wrong, those guys are amazing), I often hear them replicating sounds that, in all honesty, I have never (or extremely rarely) heard from a wild turkey in the areas I have hunted (i.e....fly-down cackling et. al.)Again, the bottom line is that we humans,...especially in the contest-calling world,...have defined what is good turkey calling,...and what is not. Wild turkeys do not adhere to those definitions. It really doesn't matter if I think some guys calling sucks (which, like you Hobbes, I often do), the "proof is in the pudding",...that is, whether that calling does the job or not. As you say, some of the calling in YouTube videos, I consider atrocious (and also like you, Hobbes, I would not dare to post "samples" of my calling on YT). In those very same YouTube videos, those what-we-call horrible callers are calling-in and killing gobblers! ...And it ain't necessarily because they are hunting Turkey Utopia! Another thing we will never know in actual turkey hunting/calling: Each of us uses whatever calling combinations we favor in our hunting,...out of dozens (or more) of possible combinations. We either succeed or fail in each encounter,...but the fact is, in the successes, we don't really know if anybody else's tactics,...perhaps completely different than ours,...would have worked or not. And on the other hand, we don't really know if the gobblers we failed on would have come running to the calling of one of those "sucky" guys! And finally, to be totally honest, we don't know whether a gobbler we called and killed with our "average" calling would not have been runt-off into the next county by the so-called "world champ"! (But granted, I will put my money on the world champ every time....)
Quote from: Hobbes on January 21, 2020, 10:36:21 AMThis idea of a terrible sounding hen is based on a false impression of what a turkey should sound like. I've heard a lot of variations from hens, but have yet to hear one that I thought sounded bad. A big flock of Merriam's hens can be some of the loudest most obnoxious sounding turkeys there is. That's probably the case with any big flock. Ive heard sounds that I knew that I could not duplicate on my best days (and that's just variations in a Yelp). It's often those scratchy, off key and tempo yelps that assures me it is a real hen. But....that's not what I'd call bad sounding...that just sounds like a real hen going about her usual business being a turkey. If YouTube is any indication of the skill level of most callers.....most folks suck. In fact I'd say considering the kind of calling that a lot of folks are willing to share, they don't know the first thing about how they or a turkey sounds. It obviously doesn't matter on some days, but it's painful to listen to.
Quote from: ol bob on January 21, 2020, 12:02:17 PMHow many have ever seen a turkey judge a calling contest? 99.9 percent of the custom calls will kill a turkey. The best turkey call in the world is one that someone standing in front of your table wants to buy.
Quote from: MK M GOBL on January 18, 2020, 03:51:03 PMI have always put "rhythm" before anything else, I rely on my CODY World Class Slate because of how I can run it and the sound it produces (range of tones) that call is pure turkey! From there I have one other glass call in my pack and it's like a $10 call but kills birds, I carry a half dozen strikers and half dozen mouth calls. Like what has been said having confidence in your calling is key.MK M GOBL