Those Remington 3.5 #5 1 7/8 hevi Shot #5 I killed my first bird with those. Started the fever I have 2 left. Those out of my Nova and a Original .655 jelly head were bad news back when they were made. Those shells put hevi shot on the market. 1225fps folks told me to try the #6 but the time I was low nobody offered them anymore. Walmart sold them, wasn't terribly priced but was stupid high compared to lead back then.