The old Rem hevi 6s were descent shells, they would give someone a bonafide 50yd thumper. I've never patterned the 5s, but I would imagine they would outdo lead. I was able to get in the 170s with the 3.5 1-3/4 #6 loads, 140ish would be my guess for the 5s and you might make 50yds with them.