I patterned them last year. Was working up a load for my daughter to use a youth model 870 (she is grown, but has not shot much in her life - mostly 22LR). I thought I would give them a try. Very unimpressed with them in the Trulcok HW choke tube and in the Remington factory full and extra full. Would only be good to 30 in that gun and the HW#7 outperformed them in consistency and density at 20, 30 and 40 yards. Since I already had stocked up in those for my 20 as well, time to go hunting!