Winchester Double X?

[jims]

I noticed that Winchester Double X 3" with 1 3/4 oz of 6 shot has a velocity of 1300.  The Double X 3" mags with 2 oz of 6 shot have a velocity of 1100.  There is obviously a little more shot in the mag loads but at the muzzle are slightly slower.  I'm curious what exactly happens at say 50 yards with the regular vs magnum loads?  Would you expect the same number of pellots in the head zone at 50 yards?

The WInchester Long Beards are a little more expensive.  They are also slower at the muzzle.  How would you expect them to compare to the Double X.  I'm pretty sure the Double X are copper coated.

[Marc]

In lead and denser metals (especially when considering shot such as steel), I believe pellet count is more important that velocity...

Especially with lead, it is easier to pattern slower loads than faster.  1300 FPS is fast for a lead load, and it is tough to keep such a fast load together.  1300 FPS would be considered low for the harder non-toxic loads (especially considering waterfowl loads), and the harder materials will pattern better at faster speeds than will lead...

With a 200 FPS difference there will be some difference at 40 to 50 yards as far as the energy maintained...  The faster loads will have better energy and penetration capabilities...  The slower load with a larger payload should have considerably more pellets in the center of the pattern at those long ranges though...

At 40 yards, the slower larger payload would most likely prove more effective, but I honestly don't know what the energy and penetration levels of such a slow load would be at 50 yards?

[jims]

I did a little more research and found that the Winchester Longbeards have a resin added to the shot.  This adds weight but according to quite a few reviews keeps the shot together at longer distances.  Here is a really nice place where you can compare Winchester loads:  http://patternboard.winchester.com/#/

[deerbasshunter3]

I would like to see a better range of chokes so people could compare their results to the patternboard. I shoot a .662 choke, which is not an option. Other than that, patternboard seems like a great program.

[10gaugemag]

I would like to see a better range of chokes so people could compare their results to the patternboard. I shoot a .662 choke, which is not an option. Other than that, patternboard seems like a great program.

Hard to do with common 12 gauge bores running from .727 to .775. I am sure they used the Inv+ barrels which have a bore diameter of .742. Too many variables.

[gobblerman87]

I just got some of these hoping they pattern well