Winchester Longbeard XR Penetration Observation

[reflexl]

Fella's , I've been hunting turkeys for 26 or 27 years, I learn something every time I go to the woods, I' killed somewhere between 50 and 60 longbeard, pattern your gun, practice your calling and woodsmanship  and learn to be patient  but most of all know the limits of your equipment and Hunt! I don't care what anyone uses as long as you are ethical and respect our quarry  it deserves that. I personally wouldn't  want to be shot with any of the turkey loads on the market because at reasonable ranges they are going to penetrate and break bones with either HTL or lead. I have killed turkey with both and I shoot Hevi # 7 and will continue to do so because I have a large stash of it but I also would not hesitate to go to Wal-Mart and pick up a box of Winchester hv  5's or # 6 if I had to because i know how they shoot in my guns, We are in the good ol days of Turkey hunting RIGHT NOW!!!!!! LETS ENJOY THIS GRAND SPORT!!!! Lets help each other with problems, and enjoy a sport the good Lord allows us to do. I hope everyone fills there tags and takes a kid hunting in the respective juvenile seasons in there state and help preserve the grandest bird we are given to hunt

Rock on! Duck hunting the past 3 years has changed into arguing over which equipment is better and why. A lot think the most expensive on the market is the ONLY way. It was refreshing getting positive feedback on this site from some about my inflatable turkey decoys, Max4 Stoeger M3500, and my new inexpensive choke tube. I'd love to keep this attitude in the turkey community.

You both said it quite well !!

I observed something about 5 years ago on water fowling websites and was fearful the same trend would take hold on OG - there was a max influx of equipment geeks ,( were talking folks with plenty of money , little actual hunting experience, and even less common sense )  who were utterly obsessed with extending , and extending the range of a shotgun -- it was ridiculous - worst part was they were openly badgering and harassing people with decades of successful hunting ---

Turkey hunting is a skill orientated activity , not some technical accomplishment like doing a moon launch --  I have several very nice turkey guns , tricked out with good chokes and ammo - but like mentioned , I wouldn't loose any sleep if they stopped making premium turkey shells , I would do what chipper would do and go pick up a box at Wally World and be done with it

Nothing wrong with having a very good turkey gun , but for those that's think that alone will be the key to successful turkey hunting , well ...... There is a learning experience in store for those people

Amen to all the above. reflexl

[bmhern]

I started turkey hunting as a kid with my grandfather in the 60s, all we had then was high brass #4s,  I learned to be patient, sit still and most of all enjoy what nature has given us, so while I now use much of what modern technology has given us I still just enjoy the hunt. Killing a wise old bird is just icing on the cake.

[nothingbutlongbeards]

And shells like the Magnum Blends just make it easier to get that wise old bird

[mikejd]

Whether it is weight or density the two do not compare. The HWs are going to penetrate and hit harder. The lead will have give against bone because of its softness where the HWs will not.


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less penetration means more shocking power on impact. that's what breaks bones. Sort of like getting wacked with a sledge rather then an ice pick. Either way there is a bird lying in the grass.



You got it!!! Lead flattens on impact causing less penetration... Simple physics...

[DirtNap647]

before hevi shot came out im really wondering how people killed turkeys and actually I cant remember seeing it but there may have been a bunch of turkeys with one leg or one eye or couldn't fly or beak blown off ...etc...just don't remember seeing a bunch of wounded birds but I do got some pics of my pap with a bird and a old shotgun and some old little shells hmmm imagine that

[the Ward]

I was patterning the 10 yesterday and witnessed something that blew my mind. I have a 1" white pvc frame I just built as a target holder and the lead 4s I shot left splash marks on the pvc but did not dent it or penetrate it. This was at 40 yards. The shells were rem 2.25 4s and win 2oz 4s. Don't know if that means anything except pvc is tougher than I thought it would be!