well went out today and patterned my guns. i shoot a Mossberg 835 with a jelly head 690. and a stoeger m2000 with a hevi shot 660. shooting magnum blends. i shot old ones and new ones that i just bought. and they shot the same. both great patterns. i am glad to see they are both shooting good especially with the reports i was getting from hevi shot. everyone i know that is shooting them is still getting great patterns. i am ready for turkey season!