What's with all the arguing?

[WV Flopper]

 It's turkey season, it's spring. Yeah they go hand in hand, both my two most favorite things!

To the OP... I respect your post, I agree 100%.
To BBcoach, I agree.


I wish there was never a duck to fly over Arkansas. On public ground, walk. Expect small acreage to be crowded. If you primarily hunt public ground try hunting during the week. The pressure will be less, yes it will!

If you can't afford to take time off from work during the week it's not my fault, it's not an OOS fault, it's your fault! Your decision!

Yeah, I am tired of hearing the crying and whining too. Go hunting,  hunt harder, then hunt harder than that. Don't just cry because you don't kill a turkey and someone else does.

I define luck as this: while setting on my couch a gobbler walks through my yard and I kill it because I have NO time to hunt. That's lucky! Once you leave your house you define your luck! Make preparations and get it done.

[g8rvet]

I do think there is plenty of "intense discussion" (I like this and fully intend to steal it - thanks!) but even this site is way better than when I first joined.  I ignored three people, two of them are gone and one I un-ignored and glad I did.   The key I think is to just not engage the obvious trolls and I don't really think there are many left.  I think when a mess of them learned no one was gonna join their "religion", they moved on to pollute some other cyberspace.  As long as it does not get personal or too preachy, I am cool with folks giving their opinion.  I don't much listen to anyone I don't respect anyways, so it is not likely to change my mind about anything unless it is delivered in a more positive tone.   

[Brillo]

I must be naïve.  I like this site and have certainly experienced much worse.   

[Tail Feathers]

I must be naïve.  I like this site and have certainly experienced much worse.

This site is typically very calm and agreeable.  Folks get tired of dealing with extra hunting pressure, I get that.  I have no public land very near me to hunt so I'm more on the traveler side.  I try to be respectful of all (except for my trolling post above  ) and I have encountered very few rude turkey hunters.

[TrackeySauresRex]

Everybody is arguing because once again they are all wrong, and I am right. Geez guys it ain't complicated. The sooner everyone thinks and does exactly like me the better off everything will get.

This is too funny! 


This is still a great place, I love some of the sharpies comments. There is an unbelievable wealth of Turkey knowledge here. We know who they are and we appreciate you all.

[Spurs]

There needs to be some arguing in the turkey hunting community right now...as long at it is somewhat civil.  Turkey are in dire need of help across the entire US.  I think the bubble is about to pop for the guys who have not seen the affects up north.  Maybe not to the extreme that we are dealing with in the SE, but there will be a decline within the next 10 years that will have everyone on the edge of their seats.

If we don't start looking at the problems, then the solutions will never be discovered.  Etiquette, hunting style, habitat, weather, predators, etc.  It is all on the agenda to be scrutinized.  Some times you're going to make people mad in these types of situations and that's something everyone is going to have to realize.  Just be a bigger guy and understand opinions are simply that.  Here them out and develop your own thoughts to express, but keep is civil.

[Brillo]

I feel terrible for the people in states that are in decline and those like Florida that are being inundated with out state hunters.
The area I hunted this year was busy enough and on the last day there was someone from another state in a spot I wanted to hunt.  I was more disgruntled than if the vehicle was a fellow taxpayer.  I can't imagine seeing that regularly.  If those topics, which are inherently emotional, can't be cussed and discussed here then where should they be discussed? 

[sasquatch1]

Until people can look at reality and stop being emotional, nothing will change for the better as far as wildlife goes.

Perfect example: Over populated places have no food and water, so what do we do??? Give it to them, so that they can make more babies and be more over populated actually harming them MORE over time but it sure makes us feel good "Now".

For these reasons and luckily for us that neither of us will live long enough to see it, every ounce of land will one day be plowed over to grow crops and or grow useless trees to make paper and build more giant homes for people to live in.

This will leave nothing but areas left not capable of supporting much wildlife and it'll all be gone.

Think out west. It looks to have vast habitats for game "aka the mountains" yet those mountains are under feet of snow come winter, and the wildlife migrates down to peoples yards and crops where they get run off until they start starving and die.

Millions upon millions more people every year need a place to live. And these days they want everything big. The avg house built now is almost double in size what it was when I was a kid, as are the vehicles to carry us and all our trinkets around. This takes down massive amounts of habitat with it.

Every person here has an example of where they once roamed and hunted as kids that is now houses!!

THAT IS WHERE THE MAIN PROBLEM IS, and it will never change because of the way humans naturally are. 


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[sasquatch1]

1965 to 2019 where I live





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[Cut N Run]

There's a certain contingency to people who don't allow room for people to do things differently than they themselves do things.  My view is there are bag limits and there are many ways to get them filled.  Hunt however you like and have a good time.

Looking for a "Like" button. Well put.  I agree 100%

I sort of blame COVID.  People got cranky, vengeful, and only interested in looking out for #1 about the time that all went down.  We haven't totally moved on yet.  There's also too many people these days with similar interests.  It didn't used to be crowded in the turkey woods and hunters seemed to be more uptight with the turkeys than other hunters.  There weren't draw hunts around here either, because not as many people were competing for the same resource. 

Just like there wasn't a size restriction or limit on crappie, though it's more common these days because some abused the privilege.

Jim

[Cowboy]

Until people can look at reality and stop being emotional, nothing will change for the better as far as wildlife goes.

Perfect example: Over populated places have no food and water, so what do we do??? Give it to them, so that they can make more babies and be more over populated actually harming them MORE over time but it sure makes us feel good "Now".

For these reasons and luckily for us that neither of us will live long enough to see it, every ounce of land will one day be plowed over to grow crops and or grow useless trees to make paper and build more giant homes for people to live in.

This will leave nothing but areas left not capable of supporting much wildlife and it'll all be gone.

Think out west. It looks to have vast habitats for game "aka the mountains" yet those mountains are under feet of snow come winter, and the wildlife migrates down to peoples yards and crops where they get run off until they start starving and die.

Millions upon millions more people every year need a place to live. And these days they want everything big. The avg house built now is almost double in size what it was when I was a kid, as are the vehicles to carry us and all our trinkets around. This takes down massive amounts of habitat with it.

Every person here has an example of where they once roamed and hunted as kids that is now houses!!

THAT IS WHERE THE MAIN PROBLEM IS, and it will never change because of the way humans naturally are. 


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You got it right. 100%

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[El Pavo Grande]

There needs to be some arguing in the turkey hunting community right now...as long at it is somewhat civil.  Turkey are in dire need of help across the entire US.  I think the bubble is about to pop for the guys who have not seen the affects up north.  Maybe not to the extreme that we are dealing with in the SE, but there will be a decline within the next 10 years that will have everyone on the edge of their seats.

If we don't start looking at the problems, then the solutions will never be discovered.  Etiquette, hunting style, habitat, weather, predators, etc.  It is all on the agenda to be scrutinized.  Some times you're going to make people mad in these types of situations and that's something everyone is going to have to realize.  Just be a bigger guy and understand opinions are simply that.  Here them out and develop your own thoughts to express, but keep is civil.

This hits the nail on the head!!

There has been a major culture shift with turkey hunting, thanks to advances in technology, tools, and social media.  Should we sit idly by and not challenge (discuss and share opinions) what are real threats to the future of turkeys and turkey hunting?  I don't think so.  I think it's absolutely imperative that we have these discussions.

In the comments of a FB post, a guy in a state forum shared OnX pins of where two gobbling turkeys could be located in a WMA.  I knew exactly where it was, as I had heard those same turkeys.  If WE invested turkey hunters don't keep that in check, what will we have left in 10-20 years?  This is the new social media dominated culture, in which we are quickly becoming outnumbered, and sticking our head in the sand with the attitude of "if it's legal" or "as long as it's within our bag limits" isn't going to bode well for the future.