Why do we allow this to continue?

[El Pavo Grande]

I know several instances where lawsuits were hurdled revolving with hunting

One ...guy guy fell out of a tree stand on a lease ... lease didn't have insurance...guess what lease president/holder lost his house ..the state Georgia

Two ..this involves me , deer hunter walked into the still hunt area in the fall and shot at the   sound of a turkey call from fall turkey hunters behind...killing a close family member , manslaughter charges were pressed and convicted against the shooter ...my father actually got the shooter out of doing jail time in a incredible act of decency on his part , you can't take a mans home away from him in Florida ...so your home owners policy has to pick up the tab...and they did it was well into the 6 digit range 30 years ago money ...that went towards his children, school etc...that's as far as I feel like talking about it ... If you want to know why I'm always cautious with people being safe , and liability with anything..that's why

I have 2 other friends of mine , who were shot turkey hunting and left for dead ...they survived luckily

Decoys ...they make good crash test dummies ..I put one out in the field AWAY from me ...if any idiot shoots ...it's just a few holes a few cuss words ...the world is safer

A special message to the companies with clamp on barrel decoys , scoot and shoot , fanning , or reaping devices ...we live in a world where anyone can be hauled into court...look at Sandy Hook and Remington ..ANYONE ...look you can bring a former president of the United States' of America ...you can  be cleaned out ....you will be dragged into court and your company, investments etc  will be yanked away by 12 jurors , simply discontinue the product..the few bucks your making isn't worth it ... discontinue it ...do your self a big favor

I've seen it ...

It's not a matter of if ...but WHEN they get a wrongful death suit against them

Some great posts!!!

The issue lies in that the majority of "hunters" have completely bought into what certain outdoor celebrities are selling them.  A few of these clowns can no longer hunt without waving a reaper decoy around at a gobbler, and then plaster it all over social media.  I have zero respect for those guys.... Promoting themselves and their products for personal gain, often at the expense of the resource, fellow hunters, and safety.   Until they are held accountable, good luck.  The gullible, instant gratification and validation seeking followers would follow them over a cliff.  Because after all, they label anyone that questions them "anti-hunter" hunters. 

At some point for a sustainable resource and hunting opportunities, some of these methods, tools, and technology may require a review.  Until then it will take a few of these with influence to change their tune and speak out.  Good luck with that $$$. I think it's a little past due, but that's just me. 

Not even from the safety / legal aspect it's like, as eggshell mentioned, it's a product of social decay.  A tainted culture, at least from my perspective.  Common now are the stories of "it's been a tough season and turkeys aren't responding" (3-4 days into the season).  The gobbler was with hens, hung up across the field, and showed no interest.  I pulled out the reaper decoy and went towards the gobbler.  He ran across the field into my lap.  Had to do what I had to do".  Some argue it's not about ethics, it's about methods, and so what does it matter if legal to kill one by any means.  I believe it's ok to fail, which you reasonably should do more often than not, and not every tag is meant to be filled. 

[quavers59]

   Any New information  on what Happened  in the South Carolina WMA?

[Nathan_Wiles]

   Any New information  on what Happened  in the South Carolina WMA?

The only new detail I've heard is that they came from different directions and may not have been aware of each other... Still no word on fanning or decoys being involved despite all the rumors flying around locally and online.

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[jimmyg97]

If a new hunter were to look up "turkey hunting" on Youtube, they would probably come across someone reaping a turkey. I just did this myself and the very first video is a very popular person in the industry and a country music star and they're holding a strutter decoy in front of them. This new hunter is going to think "ok that's how you hunt turkeys".

I believe we need to stop supporting the folks that post this type of hunting on social media or on television shows and the companies that support them.

[ChesterCopperpot]

Ad I saw today on Facebooger.


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[Ihuntoldschool]

You have to understand the mentality of the typical new breed of turkey hunter. Now they don't play/hunt by the traditional rules that were established Long ago as to how you play the game.
See to them it's not how you play the game that matters, it's kill at all costs...Any legal means, they take any shortcut , gadget, gimmick,  visual aid available to them. See this all started with allowing decoys to be used and then it just snowballed from there,  Jake decoys/ strutting gobbler decoys/wearing a gobbler on your head, Badonkadeke, chickens that look funky, motorized scoot and shoot.

See the real rules for safety include Never wear ANYTHING red, white, or blue when you're turkey hunting . Those are good rules to follow.  You have to realize they dumbed down the sport for the masses, to give them a chance for success you know. They want their participation trophy if you will. They don't have to learn how to call or how to turkey hunt anymore with all the shortcuts available to them. Remember they just want to kill at all costs so they can get it on social media and get the attention they're seeking, that pat on the back, the atta boy, you know the approval,  the positive reinforcement they so desperately seek, the attention if you will .

I have to laugh when they complain  "Someone shot my Jake/Gobbler Decoy"  . It's like What were you thinking, what did you expect?  How much did you contribute to the accident? (ALOT).  .
Safety used to be an important consideration for the majority of hunters. Now it's just a joke to many...

See when we complain about it and try to enhance safety, We are the bad guys, the enemy, the ones trying to take away their participation trophy, their only chance for "success" again as they deem success by kills only . How dare we try to tell them how to hunt... 

Then to add to it of course you have these TV/Video Hunters who think they're a celebrity,  they're doing it . Let's be honest these guys don't care about your safety.  They care about making money....The more kills they can get in front of a camera, the easiest, the more new products they can promote the more of your money they can get... 

Now the states that sell the hunting licenses, they need their revenue too..  Some of these Badonkadeke/ScootNShoot guys might not even buy a license or tags if they can't use their crutches...  Out of state licenses are revenue generators. ..

[Spitten and drummen]

You have to understand the mentality of the typical new breed of turkey hunter. Now they don't play/hunt by the traditional rules that were established Long ago as to how you play the game.
See to them it's not how you play the game that matters, it's kill at all costs...Any legal means, they take any shortcut , gadget, gimmick,  visual aid available to them. See this all started with allowing decoys to be used and then it just snowballed from there,  Jake decoys/ strutting gobbler decoys/wearing a gobbler on your head, Badonkadeke, chickens that look funky, motorized scoot and shoot.

See the real rules for safety include Never wear ANYTHING red, white, or blue when you're turkey hunting . Those are good rules to follow.  You have to realize they dumbed down the sport for the masses, to give them a chance for success you know. They want their participation trophy if you will. They don't have to learn how to call or how to turkey hunt anymore with all the shortcuts available to them. Remember they just want to kill at all costs so they can get it on social media and get the attention they're seeking, that pat on the back, the atta boy, you know the approval,  the positive reinforcement they so desperately seek, the attention if you will .

I have to laugh when they complain  "Someone shot my Jake/Gobbler Decoy"  . It's like What were you thinking, what did you expect?  How much did you contribute to the accident? (ALOT).  .
Safety used to be an important consideration for the majority of hunters. Now it's just a joke to many...

See when we complain about it and try to enhance safety, We are the bad guys, the enemy, the ones trying to take away their participation trophy, their only chance for "success" again as they deem success by kills only . How dare we try to tell them how to hunt... 

Then to add to it of course you have these TV/Video Hunters who think they're a celebrity,  they're doing it . Let's be honest these guys don't care about your safety.  They care about making money....The more kills they can get in front of a camera, the easiest, the more new products they can promote the more of your money they can get... 

Now the states that sell the hunting licenses, they need their revenue too..  Some of these Badonkadeke/ScootNShoot guys might not even buy a license or tags if they can't use their crutches...  Out of state licenses are revenue generators. ..

Very well said. You sir nailed it to a T. These same guys whine about the decline in the turkey population. Sure there are several variables here but I laugh when people say " You can kill all the gobblers you want because it only takes one to breed all the hens. I sure miss the old days when turkey hunters were a fraternity and every one that turkey hunted had a unspoken set of rules.

[guesswho]

Some of these Badonkadeke guys might not even buy a license or tags if they can't use their crutches

I knew it was just a matter of time before someone figured out the real reason for the decline of the turkey population in some regions.   I saw this coming several years ago and quit producing Badonkadeke and took him off the market.  My apologies to all. 

[GobbleNut]

Some of these Badonkadeke guys might not even buy a license or tags if they can't use their crutches

I knew it was just a matter of time before someone figured out the real reason for the decline of the turkey population in some regions.   I saw this coming several years ago and quit producing Badonkadeke and took him off the market.  My apologies to all. 

Seriously, dude,...you should NEVER have put such a realistic gobbler imitation on the market.  You should have known that there is not a turkey hunter alive that would not be able to identify it as anything other than a real, live gobbler and would shoot without hesitating!  What got into you, buddy!?   Shame on you!   

[Nathan_Wiles]

Recent conversation with "an individual that is close to the investigation," it was stated to me that fanning was NOT involved only a hen decoy. For me, this actually raises more questions than it answers. Tragic regardless.

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