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Two shot patterning, what would be your distances?

Started by ChesterCopperpot, January 28, 2021, 05:33:03 PM

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idgobble

Save your ammo. Pattern one shot at 30 yards and if it's good don't shoot any farther than that, less when possible.

GobbleNut

I would go with the 25/40 plus or minus if I was concerned.  I have shot open sight/beads out of the same gun and choke for years so I don't worry about having to verify anything every year.  I will usually shoot a handful of small game loads at paper prior to the season just to make sure nothing has changed with the "operator" and that the gun is still functioning properly.  Other than that, I am just wasting ammo. 

If i do my part, the gun will kill whatever I am shooting at, at reasonable turkey-shooting ranges if and when I pull the trigger.  In addition, the idea of shooting seven-dollar-a-piece TSS rounds at paper targets hurts both my shoulder and my pocket book,...not to mention making me question my common sense!   ;D :toothy12: :angel9:   

owlhoot

20-40
40 for pattern performance and poi.
20 for poa/ poi its gonna be tight with almost any turkey setup.

davisd9

Quote from: Gooserbat on January 28, 2021, 08:37:16 PM
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Quote from: Gooserbat on January 28, 2021, 05:40:08 PM
40 yards and use the 30% equation. It will get you close.
Unfamiliar with what you mean by the 30% equation? Thanks for the help.


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increase your 10" circle pattern 30% for every ten yards closer or decrease 30% for every ten yards farther than 40.   

For instance at 40 yarde my M2 shoots an average of 320/10"   At 50 I can expect around 224/10".  At 60 I can expect 156/10".  These numbers are based on a mathematical equation not hard counts but it will get you close enough to have a realistic expectation.
Thanks so much! Had not heard that before.


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That's a TSS rule

seems to work close enough with everything else.

Lead loads can fall apart in 5 yards or less, the longbeards may be an exception to that but I have little experience with them.
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ShootingABN!

I didn't read the other responses.

With todays Super High Quality turkey loads heavyshot and TSS. My standard is 40 yards. So if I only was going to shoot twice it would be 40? Say what? Naw? Yes 40.

2X 40! I can use low brass at close range and confirm my point of  impact (POI). Then with a 3'x3' piece of paper I confirm my pattern and POI. If I'm hitting where I'm aiming awesome. If not I'd run an optic insure I hit the point of aim POA.

I've been shooting custom Nitro shells since 2007,  4x5x7 crazy pellet count at 40 yards in a 10" circle. I do use a scope.

I'm in this pattern process with my Son's 410 with TSS. So I started out at 40 yards. Horrible with TSS Federal and Apex Ninja, got a tighter choke and the pattern became acceptable at 40. I do not want my Son to shoot at 40. But that was the worse case.
I have two different TSS loads for Nitro coming to test out.

When I started out in the late 80's. 5 pellets in the head & neck was acceptable. So my 870 was a 35 MAX gun with copper lead shot. Both of my 12's put almost 300 pellets in 10"@ 40, heavyshot. Dead is dead. huge difference form years ago. Same gun, different spray paint scheme, different choke. LOL

Good luck.

GobbleNut

Yes, it is a curiosity as to how our perceptions of what is needed to kill a gobbler has evolved over the decades.  Most of us serious turkey hunters today would not even consider shooting some of the loads and patterns that were the norm back then. 

Unfortunately, from what I see even today, there are those still shooting shotguns and loads at turkeys,... and at ranges they should never even consider shooting them,... that are both inferior to the task, and if the truth be told, unethical in terms of wounded turkeys running off after the shot.

Spitten and drummen

One shot at 40 to confirm a pattern that is already sighted in.
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Dtrkyman

Fortunately up close my turkey loads and a cheap dove load each hit the same, 15 yards to check zero and done!

I also like to burn a box of those dove loads off handed, I have killed a few birds over the years off handed, though I cheat due to being quite ambidextrous.


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Gooserbat

Quote from: GobbleNut on January 29, 2021, 10:20:06 AM
Yes, it is a curiosity as to how our perceptions of what is needed to kill a gobbler has evolved over the decades.  Most of us serious turkey hunters today would not even consider shooting some of the loads and patterns that were the norm back then. 

Unfortunately, from what I see even today, there are those still shooting shotguns and loads at turkeys,... and at ranges they should never even consider shooting them,... that are both inferior to the task, and if the truth be told, unethical in terms of wounded turkeys running off after the shot.

Yep.

It all comes down to know your gun.  If you haven't patterned it, checked poi vs poa and made adjustments, then you better stick to the "get them close"  mindset.
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ShootingABN!

Quote from: Gooserbat on January 30, 2021, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: GobbleNut on January 29, 2021, 10:20:06 AM
Yes, it is a curiosity as to how our perceptions of what is needed to kill a gobbler has evolved over the decades.  Most of us serious turkey hunters today would not even consider shooting some of the loads and patterns that were the norm back then. 

Unfortunately, from what I see even today, there are those still shooting shotguns and loads at turkeys,... and at ranges they should never even consider shooting them,... that are both inferior to the task, and if the truth be told, unethical in terms of wounded turkeys running off after the shot.

AMEN.
Yep.

It all comes down to know your gun.  If you haven't patterned it, checked poi vs poa and made adjustments, then you better stick to the "get them close"  mindset.

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vt35mag

Trap load at 10yds to make sure poa and poi match then one turkey load at 40. 2nd turkey load for ol tom on opening day.


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