So I wanted to post this back up, especially since there seems to be a little more interest. I choose the Mueller b/c it was $100 cheaper, camo, and has 4 reticles. It seemed well built, solid. Camo coating is great looking and seems well applied. Reticles are crisp and clear. It has 2 sensors on the front and an automatic brightness setting and 10 other settings. FOV is awesome. Reticle pics are at 40 yds and the orange sticker is a 3" sticker. Comes with an extra battery.
Differences that I know of without ever laying my eyes or hands on a FF II.
#1. $100 cheaper
#2. Camoflauge
#3. 4 selectable reticles for Mueller, only 1 for the FF II
#4. FF II is smaller
#5. Have to take unit off to change battery with FF II, don't have to with the Mueller
Here are pics. I also performed a "hold zero" test. I fired 8 Winchester and 8 Federal turkey loads, rapid fire, then fired for zero. Needless to say, she held right on.
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3 MOA dot
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5 MOA dot
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Euro Dot
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CQB - my favorite
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NEW PICS - at 40 yds
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Hold Zero Test
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Shots for Zero
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where is the on-off switch on the mueller
3rd and 4th pic
That looks like a good one Ray. i may have to put one on one of my turkey guns!!! :you_rock:
Brian
I LOVE my site, but I would wait until after the season. There are quite a few guys with them now and we need a season's worth of hunting, rain, drops, tree branches, etc. to see how this is going to hold up. So, if you don't need a site, I'd wait until we have a hunting season worth of info to share.
what is the cost on these sights? :thanks:
$95
http://www.opticsplanet.net/mueller-optical-1x22x-33mm-quick-shot-waterproof-red-dot-scope.html
Here it is a optics planet. Camo is 5 dollars more. There was a coupon code for another 5 or 10% off and free shipping, floating around, but I don't have it. Sportsman's Guide had them as well, not sure if they still do though.
THANKS FOR THE LINK :thanks:
I realize it is hard to see the decoys head, and I got the dot off a little, but you can tell what size the dot is in relation to the head and how the head fits in the CQB.
Is the magnification 2x or 0?
Good Job on this whole post. very Informative and it caused me to put one on my 870 20ga.
I got mine from SG as it was a little cheaper.
They are 0 magnification
:thanks: :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright:
I'm also considering trying 1 of these.I had my 1300 bored and taped for a weaver rail last May to use a red dot scope, but I think I would prefer this. How are you mounting this, Marlin or Weaver,and will a weaver make it to high? 1 more question, will a Marlin mount line up with the holes tapped for a Weaver?
I have no idea about your mounting questions. I use a weaver base on my 835, so it will fit a weaver base. It is not too high with the weaver base.
Thanks, post up a pic with it mounted if you dont mind.
Here you go.
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Thank you sir.
Sugarray what kind of cheek pad is that? Were you not able to stay down on the stock w/out this?
Beartooth comb raising kit. No, I needed just a little more height. My jaw was on the butt and just not comfortable.
Thanks man
Its not 0 magnification its a 1x sight for anyone considering one and has read this thread
Quote from: st4wheel on March 03, 2011, 07:10:33 PM
Its not 0 magnification its a 1x sight for anyone considering one and has read this thread
That is no magnification. 1x1=1, 1x2=2, etch.
I thought 1x was the same as 0 magnification ?
Gotcha thxs for the clarification. I just got mine and the box says...magnification-1x seems like they wld just leave that off if it has no magnification. But ur right I looked it up! Thxs!
Sugarray did a great job with the Mueller review and helped in my decision making so I thought I would add to the post. I have mine mounted on an 870SM. I used a weaver base that is cut down but still uses 3 screws. I took the gun and shot trap loads at 15 yards. The site needed 50 clicks to get the elevation right. Left and right were perfect from the start. After getting it zeroed, I shot a box of trap loads and 6 3" turkey loads and the Mueller is still holding zero. I also changed the dot settings and they were all at the same point of impact. It is a good site and enjoy mine. I hope this helps.
great reply, thanks for the info.
Here is a PM I received today. Good for all to know.
Ray,
I have been using a Mueller sight on my ten gauge now going on
the second season. I have had great experience with this sight until the other day,
I was setup on a coyote dead to rights but the dot disappeared, I was able to manipulate the controls and got a dim dot but the coyote was spooked and i didn't get a shot.
When i checked the battery i found the problem, there was three deep dents in the
bottom of the battery from the contact tips in the printed circuit. The battery mounting can't
handle the recoil, i would expect that the printed circuit will eventually fail from this kind of
hammering. Last year i used reloads that pattern well but are only two ounces of shot.
This year i have been working with much heavier loads, 2.5 to 3 ounce shot charges. a new battery solved the problem for now, its the first time i opened the battery compartment since i got the sight. Going to contact Mueller and see what they say.
Its been a great sight i hope they can help me solve this problem. Just a heads up.
Thanks, eight bore
Thanks for posting that Sugarray, I willl keep an eye on mine now, once i start pounding on it with the turkey loads.
Hopefully the printed board can take the abuse and in the case above the battery was just nearing the end of its life. I think no matter what I would be replacing that battery every season, just in case.
Let us know of ou hear anymore about the response from Mueller
Well I can't get a prodiamond scope for 20 gauge so I decided to try this out. A buddy has one and I must say I like how easy it is to get the dot on the target. I think it could be a worthy alternative to the pro-diamond. I still don't like to have anything with batteries on my gun but I am going to try it for the season and see.
Quote from: sugarray on February 22, 2011, 06:08:05 PM
Beartooth comb raising kit. No, I needed just a little more height. My jaw was on the butt and just not comfortable.
Do you have a link for that comb raising kit, I need 1 myself, the Mueller on a rail is a bit tall, but so far I really like mine.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Beartooth-Comb-Raising-Kit/707110.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dbeartooth%26x%3D0%26y%3D0%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%2BProducts&Ntt=beartooth&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products
Here you go!
they have those and the MAX-4 camo at bass pro if you are looking for that camo pattern.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=644951
I put one of these on my 870 and added a piece of mouse pad to raise my head so I could see the Mueller with a Saddle mount.
They have it upside down on the picture. The straps are on the bottom, it is solid on top. Nice pouch to carry shells inside or out and a good place for allen wrenches and spare batteries.
Hunting with the Mueller set up today for the first time. Everything worked fine. Automatic setting made it a little bright for me so I set it manually.
Ok so Ray posted my problem with my ten gauge and the sight failing to work.
I contacted Mueller about what i found and my concerns on the longevity of the sight
on this gun shooting the loads i use. They reassured me the sight can take it and
was just the battery going dead. They were right, i tested the battery on a ohm meter and it was almost dead.
They informed me battery life at constant on is 40 hours. So a new battery has me blazing away with
no problems. False alarm, my bad.
No way. You had a problem and posted it up. We have to know these things. I am glad it worked out well for you, but you have just saved someone else a lot of grief. So, thanks.
Quote from: eight bore on March 30, 2011, 11:31:02 PMThey informed me battery life at constant on is 40 hours.
I've been leaning heavily toward the Mueller for my 935, until I came across this little quote. I don't know about you guy, but that just doesn't sound like a whole lot of time to me??? Am I being too picky? Also interested in hearing others' experiences with this sight now that they have a 1 or 2 worth of experience under their belts.
Quote from: poorcountrypreacher on May 14, 2011, 09:48:06 PM
You gotta remove the FF2 to change the battery on it; that seems like the biggest disadvantage it has. I know it lasts for hundreds of hours, but batteries are always subject to failure.
I try not to comment in threads not directly related to Burris products as I think it's very tacky but since this came up I feel that some clarification is needed. Yes, you do have to remove the FF2 to replace the battery but the battery does not last hundreds of hours. It lasts thousands of hours. In the neighborhood of 20,000 to be more specific. I just wanted to make that clear. ;)
No worries. ;)
I know you weren't trying to bash Burris. I just wanted to clarify. No harm no foul. ;D
Hey everyone..i have always used a scope on my turkey guns but finally tried a red dot as of the last three years..i will be purchasing a mueller for this spring..for those that are concerned with battery life and failing batteries..40 hrs of battery life is equal to a lot of called in and shot or missed gobblers!!lol i always replace the battery at the beginning of each season and have no problems..and that is with an older redhead red dot..also i used to be worried about forgetting to turn it on or having the gun on your shoulder and walk up on a bird..its amazing what you can do when your well aqainted with your equipment..i almost kicked an old gobbler one day coming out on a nice late morning day with my gun on my shoulder...my gun came up and i settled and fired by the time the bird was approximately 15 yards running away..and missed lol i think i was shaken more than he was..while i was tryin to figure out how i managed to flub the shot up the question popped in my head!! Who turned my dot on?? Lol yep i had turned it on in all the commotion..guess it was just ingrained in my memory from using that setup so much..anyway ill never forget that little happening and will deffinitely continue to use a red dot of some kind..they truly are a superior aiming system in my book.
Here is a tip for any and all electronic sighting devices. Get batteries before the season from a battery company such as Allstate Batteries or a reputable company online. They specialize in batteries and their reputations depend on them performing well. I have found that batteries from retail stores like MalWart or Malgreens seem to go dead so much quicker, possibly due to the chain having them in stock for too long under less than optimal conditions.
The batteries that came in the Mueller QuikShot wound up lasting me 2 seasons, but I am always careful to turn it off when I put the gun in the case and turn it on when I take it out.
FC
Looks like a good site
Mueller Quick Shot
I purchased my Quick shot back in 2012 and topped in on Mossberg 535. After several years of abuse shooting 3 1/2's it would no longer hold zero. After reading Mueller's warranty disclaimer about the original receipt required for repair I figured I had gotten my money's worth already. I gave them a call anyway and was surprised when they told me Optics Planet probably still had a copy, sure enough, after a few mins chatting I had a copy of my original receipt.
Then I noticed the fine print stating 3 years against manufacturer's defects. So again I called Mueller support knowing I'm outside of 3 years. I was told to send it anyway.
Received a email stating the lens came lose and new replacement scope had shipped.
Pretty strong customer service in my opinion.
I've yet to kill a battery, but always have a spare in vest