Finally got to try my Citori.....
40° little to no wind
All 10" Circles drawn
Short yard barrel
23 yds
Winchester XX 2.75" 6's
Sumtoy .695
211 hits
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Longer range barrel
40 yds
Sumtoy .675
Winchester Supreme 5's 3.5"
116 hits
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Winchester Longbeards 3" 6's
215 hits
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Winchester Longbeards 3.5" 6's
286 hits
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I am pleased with how the gun shoots, POI a little high for both barrels but both are near identical....
I really feel double barrel guns offer some great options for different yardages. I look forward to trying it out this spring. Just need a willing participant.
Thanks for the look!
Denny
Looks good Denny. That should be a great turkey rig.
Looks good! I have considered a Citori for a turkey rig. Love the dual setup. Will you use an optic?
Thanks guys....
This spring I will be just using the bead, maybe an adjustable sight but that's about it.
Denny
I have also thought that a double barrel would be perfect for either close or far shots.
Denny,
I just used the tru glo gobble dot pro series on my M2. Like it so far. It hit 18" high and 12" left at 40 yards.
nice pattern
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Double barrel will be my next turkey gun...nice patterns
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I've always said that a double barrel would make the "perfect" turkey gun,if I could just fine me a 20ga that I could afford.
I've killed lots of turkeys with SxS's....
That being said the idea of different choking or what's referred to as upland choking makes no sense to me on a turkey gun.....reason being.
Let's say you have turkey at 40 yards....you shoot him with your so called long barrel and for what ever reason things don't work out.
Now you are left with only your short range barrel as back up and he's probably not going to get any closer.
I believe in equal choking in a two barreled two shot turkey gun...this mixed choking was dreamed up by some outdoor writer with very little field experience.
Quote from: surehuntsalot on April 13, 2014, 12:22:37 AM
I've always said that a double barrel would make the "perfect" turkey gun,if I could just fine me a 20ga that I could afford.
A few months ago, I was talking with a buddy of mine at work and he had just traded his wife's Red Label 20 gauge with less than a box of shells through it like the day before we talked, I asked where at, he told me. I gave them a buzz ASAP...... too late! Gone....
I asked him what they gave him for it. $400 bucks!! What a miss that was! Kicker was he would have sold it cheaper to me. He has no more shotguns. Rats anyhow... LOL. I still keep my ears perked for deals like that though.
Denny
Quote from: L.F. Cox on April 13, 2014, 07:14:00 AM
I've killed lots of turkeys with SxS's....
That being said the idea of different choking or what's referred to as upland choking makes no sense to me on a turkey gun.....reason being.
Let's say you have turkey at 40 yards....you shoot him with your so called long barrel and for what ever reason things don't work out.
Now you are left with only your short range barrel as back up and he's probably not going to get any closer.
I believe in equal choking in a two barreled two shot turkey gun...this mixed choking was dreamed up by some outdoor writer with very little field experience.
I disagree completely. No reason to use equal chokes in a double. Might as well shoot a pump or autoloader and save a bunch of coin. My Beretta 686 wears a FF III, so I don't plan on a miss. Not saying it can't happen, but follow up shots on misses have a really low probability of success anyway. With a lt mod. and a 25 cent handload of Pb 7.5s I have a wide, forgiving pattern for anything at 30 and in. The TSS in the other barrel will take care of anything else. Killed this bird yesterday with the open barrel at 17 steps. Had a trail cam mounted on the tree I was sitting against. Here is a pic of him seconds before he died.
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I asked Winchester engineer Steve Meyer, who dusted off a study done by ballistician Tom Roster several years ago which involved necropsies of shot turkeys. The results were interesting. In terms of penetration, it takes a minimum of 2 foot pounds of energy for a pellet to penetrate a turkey's skull or neck vertebrae. Surprisingly, many pellets fail to penetrate bone even if they do have more than enough energy. Even big size 4 shot which has far more than 2 foot pounds of energy at any reasonable turkey shooting range can glance off bone. At 35 yards, roughly half of size 6 shot failed to penetrate.
http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/shooting-tips/2010/05/bourjaily-choose-right-size-shot-kill-turkey
You may want to think about the use of #6 lead in the "long range" barrel. Although a high number of holes in paper seems impressive, gobblers heads and necks are not made of paper.
Quote from: Loose Wire on April 14, 2014, 12:40:14 PM
I asked Winchester engineer Steve Meyer, who dusted off a study done by ballistician Tom Roster several years ago which involved necropsies of shot turkeys. The results were interesting. In terms of penetration, it takes a minimum of 2 foot pounds of energy for a pellet to penetrate a turkey's skull or neck vertebrae. Surprisingly, many pellets fail to penetrate bone even if they do have more than enough energy. Even big size 4 shot which has far more than 2 foot pounds of energy at any reasonable turkey shooting range can glance off bone. At 35 yards, roughly half of size 6 shot failed to penetrate.
http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/shooting-tips/2010/05/bourjaily-choose-right-size-shot-kill-turkey
You may want to think about the use of #6 lead in the "long range" barrel. Although a high number of holes in paper seems impressive, gobblers heads and necks are not made of paper.
A larger pellet requires more energy than a smaller pellet to have the same penetration.
Hunted with a citori for allot of years. My dad hunted with it for 20+ years before he gave it to me. I had it parkerized and the stocks wrinkle painted/air brushed. Absolute killer out to 35-40 yds with Winchester XX 3/2/5's and XX 3/2/6's. Prior to that it was Fed gold/blue box 3/2/5's and 3/2/6's. Top barrel is Full and bottom barrel is Mod fixed. Didn't have to worry about a second shot and my dad always taught me if I were thinking about a follow up shot I was thinking the wrong way. He always had me focus on making the first shot count and don't take risky shots. He actually used the modified barrel more than the full. That was the old days when we just called em close or otherwise didn't shoot. Most awesome memories of turkey hunting I have are with the citori and my dad. Interested to see what Win LB XR's will do out of the citori.
*my barrels according to Brownings website are .685/.705 (1975)
23YDS
.692 LB 3" #6'S
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.702 LB 3" #6'S
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.692 LB 3.5" #5'S @ 40yds
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Looking good, Denny!
Thanks!
38 steps. Barely flopped
3.5" Longbeard #5's
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Great photo! Love the look of that Citori. I have considered one for myself.
From what I am seeing, the 3.5" #5 Longbeards look to be my shell at 40. I really like the pattern at 40 yds. I want to see if I can find some 3" #5's for my short range shots. What I see with the 6's up close looks very promising, a touch tight but I think the 5's with the.702 will be a great combo.
We will see.....
Denny
Thanks for posting. I am going to run the LB 3" 5's and 6's out of my .685/.705 Citori. Great looking pattern with those 3.5 5's. I will post up some results as soon as I find time for the range. I'm hoping the 3" 5's will be good out of these fixed chokes.
Quote from: Longshanks on May 17, 2014, 04:44:16 PM
Thanks for posting. I am going to run the LB 3" 5's and 6's out of my .685/.705 Citori. Great looking pattern with those 3.5 5's. I will post up some results as soon as I find time for the range.
I think you will be definitely in the ballpark with that combo. I tried a .682 but was not gaining enough over the.675. The .692 seems to be a good compromise for me. Very interesting the difference in results by just trying a few different components. I am very pleased with what my gun is showing me on paper.
Denny
Looks like that Citori/ LB 3.5 5's is doing well on feathers as well. That is an awesome thing to see a citori laying there on a gobbler. Looked up the age of my gun earlier today and it's a 1975. Gonna be a nostalgic thing to have dad's gun back out in the turkey woods. Gonna shoot the XX 3/2/6's and XX 3/2/5's just to see what the numbers look like. Patterned the gun at 30yds back when I hunted with it but never shot a pattern at 40 or counted shot to see what it was turning in a 10". Looking forward to it. Congrats on the turkey.
The above picture was this past Thursday. My 2nd one with it.
This was the first day, May 3rd
My Citori's first gobbler. 2.75" Winchester XX 6's at 32 steps.....
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Well done..looks like I'm gonna be hunting old school with the fixed chokes. Priced having chokes put in and it was around 400.00.
The Citori thunder cracks down once more, this time on a nice hen....
Winchester Longbeards #6's .692 Sumtoy 40+
I can still see the "vapor" trail enroute, pretty cool to see. The neck was peppered.
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Denny
Doubles sure make nice setups :z-twocents:
Especially like the 2 3/4" loads for the short range and 3" or 3 1/2" for the long range.
Never understood the 3 1/2" loads for a 30 yard shot and in woods load from any gun??
I have a 12/28/3.5 Citori and it will stomp your AZZ with 3.5 inch hevi shot loads!!!! Of course, it kills well on the other end also. Mine shoots 3-4 inches high both barrels
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I started into reloading TSS loads a few days ago
2.75" 8's and 9's
2 oz
39° little wind
Sumtoy .702
236 in the 10"
252 between the 10" and 20"
I am very pleased with this as it stands.....
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Thanks for the look.
Denny
Looks good. :z-winnersmiley:
Very nice results. I shoot the same gun. Does really good with the 680 Carlson's extended non ported and TSS. Enjoyed your post.
Thanks... I am trying.... LOL
I shot the same load with my Sumtoy .692 but the pattern between the ten and twenty was more uneven with gaps. Pellet count was however within 2 inside the twenty between the two chokes. Still a dead turkey but the .702 was better.
Sumtoy .692
274 in the ten
212 between the ten and twenty
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Quote from: L.F. Cox on April 13, 2014, 07:14:00 AM
I've killed lots of turkeys with SxS's....
That being said the idea of different choking or what's referred to as upland choking makes no sense to me on a turkey gun.....reason being.
Let's say you have turkey at 40 yards....you shoot him with your so called long barrel and for what ever reason things don't work out.
Now you are left with only your short range barrel as back up and he's probably not going to get any closer.
I believe in equal choking in a two barreled two shot turkey gun...this mixed choking was dreamed up by some outdoor writer with very little field experience.
No different than a single shot
My family has been hunting with over and under shotguns since the 60's. We shot the more open barrel first, shooting over decoys, duck hunting and then had the full choke as the birds would get further away. Turkey hunting would be the opposite. Shoot full choke inside 30yds (turkey standing still) and if the turkey ran or flew after a miss you would have the modified. My dad always taught me to make the first shot count and don't plan on a second shot. If you are shooting 40yds you might as well have the same choke in both barrels. One shot situation. Even these days the majority of turkey's I harvest are inside 30yds. I set up my gun for the scenarios I encounter the most. My kids hunt with a 20 guage over and under with a Pure Gold .570 on top and a factory full choke on the bottom. One shot is what we are looking for in the turkey woods. Let the turkey get close and if there is a miss he has the more open full choke for the follow up. As they continue to hunt and get more skilled I will put a PG .555 on the top and move the PG .570 to the bottom. Just one way to set up a gun, not the only way.