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Turkey Guns & Shooting => 12 ga Browning pattern pictures => Topic started by: tracker#1 on March 17, 2014, 04:15:34 PM
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BPS, 12, 3", 24" polished barrel, WLB #5s, 40 yards, 8"X 11" target
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Shoot at a larger piece of paper so you can see the most dense part of your pattern.
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First off that's a dead turkey! It's hard to see the entire pattern on a small piece of paper....looks like the main pattern might be just a bit low right to me.
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That would kill one, but I would want a little denser more even pattern. Do what hook said with a bigger piece of paper.
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Forget to add choke, IC .665, I did shoot this target on a 3'X5' piece of paper, will post it in a day....
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If you can, I would keep testing combinations.
I myself, would not be happy with that pattern, but it will certainly do the job for the most part...
mudhen
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Guys we are looking at a small target here. 8 x 11 so its really not to bad for #5 lead.
I agree with everyone. Forget the turkey head target and shoot at a big piece of paper.
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That is a horrible pattern for #5 shot Longbeards, I just patterned my SX3 and it was so tight I will not hunt with The longbeards and I am not going to buy a more open choke right now. I don't want to hurt his feelings but he might be over choked, I use a .665 choke. In any event he needs to do a lot more shooting with those longbeards. I'm not doubting that it would be a dead turkey but it leaves a lot to be desired. The longbeards are capable of more than that. Maybe it is something as simple as adjusting POA and POI.
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Here is the larger paper. I choose to try the IC .665 The browning engineers suggest .640 and Clark suggested the ssx .643. But I already ordered IC.
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I agree with the others, I would keep looking. Looks like about 135/10 to me. Most guys are getting 150-180 with those shells in 5s. A year ago that would have been a fantastic pattern with lead 5s, but the LBs will do better. But I will admit, that is a very dead turkey.
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Here is the larger paper. I choose to try the IC .655 The browning engineers suggest .640 and Clark suggested the ssx .643. But I already ordered IC.
That is a dead turkey, and the pattern will work fine at 40y. If you want higher numbers, I'd swap the 655 for the 665. But then you may be too tight at closer ranges, as some people are complaining about the LBs.
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Aren't BPS shotguns considered "over bored"? You might do even better with a more open choke.
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not bad for 3 inch
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I have a SX3 and use a .665 choke, with winchester longbeard's & #5 shot, at 40 yards it is so tight you could miss a bird. I look at the pattern on paper and it is something to see. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings but it makes that pattern look sick. My barrel is backbored too, it came with a .655 choke for turkey, after I patterned LB with a .665 choke I wouldn't pattern the .655 choke. I don't doubt it would be a dead bird but the pattern could be better. If I were you I would try the choke you have with longbeards I think it would impress you even though I think a .665 choke would be better if you are looking for a tight pattern and high numbers.
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Not hurting my feelings. Just looking for help and answers. I am shooting WLB #5s, 3" out of a IC .655 I went back to the range yesterday and tried a Briley super straight .665. No better. Than I shot the browning full turkey that came with the gun, not as patchy but less holes in the 10"ring. I do not know the specs on that choke.
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That is one shot, 130+or - i count and 9-10 in the center. If you can repeat/average that count it is a lethal pattern at that distance. On an 8.5 by 11 you are looking for a minimum 100 even distribution with at least 10 in the 3" center circle. This is minimum lethal every time.
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That boggles my mind. I have a BPS with the IC .665 and it will approach of beat 200 pellets with nearly anything in a 10" circle. That said if it does that every time it will kill birds. reflexl
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something wierd going on...that stuff should be doing much better...gun really doesn't like something or you got a bad box of shells
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I shoot a Briley straight rifle .665 choke and it is lights out at 40 yards with the WLB #5 3" and 3.5" shells. I don't have a clue what is going on with your setup. This is only the second post that I have read that had a bad experience with LB shells. Normally the longbeard shells will make a moderate choke look good. I shoot with a .665 but my SX3 came with a .655, I wouldn't shoot it because I thought it would be too tight for longbeards.
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What temps did you pattern in? My bps 3" with a 22" barrel is kind of finicky when temperatures get below 50 degrees. Don't know if that could be an issue or not where you live. Like the other posters said it could just be a bad box of shells, or your gun just doesn't like that combo. Hope you get it figured out, but that pattern will still take a turkey.
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d Windsor could you post that pic of your target. I also have a .665 Kicks GT. :firefighter:
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Tracker #1, do you have another gun to shoot the WLB #5 out of. It would eliminate the BPS being the problem.
Twowithone I don't own a camera as I don't take pictures, also I don't count holes so I don't keep targets. Also I am not very computer literate, I would not know how to post a picture on a thread. I wish I did. Even if I did know how to, I would have to drive 3 hours to where I pattern my gun to shoot it again for a pattern to send you. Wish I could help you.
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I was going through the same with my bps. Shot a 655 and my pattern was same as yours at top of the post. Tried 670 jelly which was better but still not tight. Then the IC 665 and wow. I could not believe the difference. I've ask a lot of people and the concensus is a IC 665 or 675 is the ticket for bps guns. Some guns prefer one diameter over the other. Good luck.
This is 25 yds as I dial my scope in on target.
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just proves you never know...my Super X2 which is an Invector Plus barrel like the BPS didn't like an Inidan Creek .665 or .675 it did just about the same with a Carlson .665 that was 1/2 the price and the .680 choke that came with it was less still. But it loves my Rob Roberts Final Strut .660...went from 160 patterns to 215 patterns with that choke with Hevi13 #6's. Not that the 160 wouldn't do the job but I knew the gun and shell were capable of more. Much like this situation, it's obvious the LB's can perform better, kind of nice to have all this info from you fine fellas out here to assist in decision making. Just have to find something that works. :anim_25: