This thread isn't about how they help or hurt. Sorry if this has already been posted I just seen video's on it today.
Some of the channels I watch have recently stated hunting channels are being targeted and demonetized, LoJo and Flair are the two that had videos on it. Even some fishing channels have been demonetized per one video. It sounds like Seek One was the largest to be demonetized. I was wondering if Shane, Catman, THP, or Dave had to deal with it as well. I hope not, it sounds like hunting is allowed per the rules, are they changing that?
The Flair video stated the channels are getting an email that states they can appeal in 30 days but the email didn't explain what the channels had done wrong. He also stated that him and other channels are deleting their hunting, trapping, catch/clean/cook videos to prevent being demonetized.
I hope a Karen didn't get a promotion and start targeting outdoor channels, what channel types are going to be targeted next?
Honestly, I liked the channels a lot better before they started having commercials every 4-5 minutes. Youtube hunting videos used to just about putting out a video for everyone to enjoy, but in the last 4-5 years, it has turned into a business.
After finding out that my state of GA paid THP 23K to hunt and exploit our resources, I don't care if they are demonetized and have to get real jobs.
Quote from: Sixes on September 19, 2021, 07:39:55 PM
Honestly, I liked the channels a lot better before they started having commercials every 4-5 minutes. Youtube hunting videos used to just about putting out a video for everyone to enjoy, but in the last 4-5 years, it has turned into a business.
After finding out that my state of GA paid THP 23K to hunt and exploit our resources, I don't care if they are demonetized and have to get real jobs.
Exactly how I feel. People say we need more hunters to have a voice. I want to know what that number or percentage is? If we ever have enough hunters to have a true voice, we'll all get to hunt once every third year because everything would have to go to a draw system to curb the number of hunters. What's funny is the main people saying we need more hunters almost always have financial interests in hunting.
Quote from: Sixes on September 19, 2021, 07:39:55 PM
Honestly, I liked the channels a lot better before they started having commercials every 4-5 minutes. Youtube hunting videos used to just about putting out a video for everyone to enjoy, but in the last 4-5 years, it has turned into a business.
After finding out that my state of GA paid THP 23K to hunt and exploit our resources, I don't care if they are demonetized and have to get real jobs.
Yup, I agree. There's a book that says, "the love of money is the root of all evil".
Good. Keep on reporting the videos. Maybe they will get real jobs.
I understand the frustration of many on the forum here and how they feel about YouTube and turkey hunting. I like some of the channels but my feelings are starting to get more complicated as well. I think we are definitely seeing the effects of YouTube/Facebook hot spotting, sharing too much info, and even the guys that aren't really doing anything wrong but just attracting more people to the woods. But with all that aside I don't think it's good for gun channels and hunting channels to be targeted a demonitized. It's just another way that the antis are targeting us and beating us. We are losing our voice in the world. I would say the world is going off the deep end but I think it's still the squeaky wheel gets the grease thing. The people who are so against us are outworking us.
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People were hunting before YouTube pimped out our public lands. And they will be hunting after. Should have never went as far as it did. States should have stepped in and stopped the madness years ago
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Quote from: aclawrence on September 20, 2021, 09:04:07 AM
I understand the frustration of many on the forum here and how they feel about YouTube and turkey hunting. I like some of the channels but my feelings are starting to get more complicated as well. I think we are definitely seeing the effects of YouTube/Facebook hot spotting, sharing too much info, and even the guys that aren't really doing anything wrong but just attracting more people to the woods. But with all that aside I don't think it's good for gun channels and hunting channels to be targeted a demonitized. It's just another way that the antis are targeting us and beating us. We are losing our voice in the world. I would say the world is going off the deep end but I think it's still the squeaky wheel gets the grease thing. The people who are so against us are outworking us.
The bolded part of your reply is what I hoped this thread would be about. Love them or hate them it's a group being targeted that I strongly align with....hunting, firearms, etc. If the educational, instructional, and awareness is removed from the YouTube platform what is next?
I agree.....you never want to see hunting and shooting discrimination. I dislike it.....but keep in mind none of us made the rule. And we don't have control over it unless you quit using the platform. So....everyone should do just that .... Quit effective immediately. I personally can think of no good use for social media. Especially when it comes to hunting or fishing locations.
According to recent economic statistics there are over 11.5 million job vacancies in the US.
Opportunity abounds in the tech, healthcare, insurance, and food service industries (just to name a few).
If pimping public land ain't helping their credit scores, the economy is their oyster.
Quote from: arkrem870 on September 20, 2021, 07:35:54 PM
I agree.....you never want to see hunting and shooting discrimination. I dislike it.....but keep in mind none of us made the rule. And we don't have control over it unless you quit using the platform. So....everyone should do just that .... Quit effective immediately. I personally can think of no good use for social media. Especially when it comes to hunting or fishing locations.
You are right, but quitting social media is like quitting sex or drugs for many. It's kind of a psychological sex or drug. Take this forum and others like it, once we start we just have to keep coming back. Perhaps just quitting one site would be easier. Yet once a man has a mistress, he usually keeps going back until he's ruined his marriage and many times his life. In this case it's our sport.
I think the best we can hope for is to manage the content. The pressure that this site and others have put on the youtubers has made some difference. I once heard an old guy say, "that guy is just like an old hound dog, he'll never give up on a trail". We gotta be that "old hound dog".
Lots of directions this conversation could go.
We've already jack-hammered the YouTube turkey hunters enough for them to be aware of our concerns about the impacts of spreading too much information. That is easy enough for them to resolve with a little self-reflection and future discretion in how they present their programming.
Regarding social media, that cat has done got out of the bag at this point. Not only that, but the folks that let that cat out are often times the same ones that have little or no connection to the things those of us here cherish in life (hunting, fishing, trapping, etc.). Furthermore, I suspect most of them have some level of bias against what we do. They also control their businesses and can therefore do as they want in terms of restricting or allowing whatever suits them (some discriminatory practices excluded).
As for the "demonetization" issue as it might be being applied to lifestyles such as hunting/fishing and the like: Yeah, we can all get our snoods in a knot about it because they are singling us out, perhaps unfairly,...or we can look at it from the other direction in that it might stop some of the negative impacts that we have been complaining about "ad nauseum" regarding the YouTubers directing hordes of hunters towards our favorite spots.
In the end, it all depends on how you look at it....
I agree with gobblenut again. Gobblenut, at our age every spring we get in the woods and hills/mountains is a bonus. My fear is the younger generation will pay the big price of exclusion. If I never hunt another day I have had a great life doing so and the one thing they can not take is my memories. With that said, I ain't giving up just yet, I am still breathing and upright!
The one thing that I find interesting is that if you think back a few short years a lot of the post on here were about snobs like Primos, Drury's, Bone Collector, etc and how they hunted exclusive ranches that us normal guys couldn't afford. If they just had to hunt public land it would expose their inadequacies. If someone would start videoing public land hunts we will jump on board with that one. Well.......some guys did that and have been successful and now we are back to eating our own. Be careful what you wish for.
Quote from: eggshell on September 21, 2021, 09:26:19 AM
I agree with gobblenut again. Gobblenut, at our age every spring we get in the woods and hills/mountains is a bonus. My fear is the younger generation will pay the big price of exclusion. If I never hunt another day I have had a great life doing so and the one thing they can not take is my memories. With that said, I ain't giving up just yet, I am still breathing and upright!
Here, Here,...my friend! :icon_thumright: :D
Seek1 posted a follow up digging into the new rules for youtube starting July 2021
"Hunting
- Hunting content where there's no depiction of graphic animal injuries or prolonged suffering.
- Hunting videos where the moment of kill or injury is indiscernible, and with no focal footage of how
this dead animal is processed for trophy or food purposes"
I'm not too familiar with Seek1's videos so I'm not sure how they are about these things.. but I will say, youtube is a platform widely used by non-hunters. Why they would even click on a hunting video is beyond me, but they certainly do. One thing I personally dislike in hunting videos and/or pictures across any social media platform is highlighting the graphic. Sitting there videoing the turkey flopping, the head on that bird that was just a little too close, the slow-motion reel of that close - devastating shot.. the stuff that isn't that respectful towards the animal we are pursuing. We all know that kind of stuff exists in this game, but when that's what is turned into the "cool" part.. there is a problem. If myself as a hunter cringes when I see these things, what does the non-hunter think.. particularly the one that's on the fence and wants to accept what we do. If YouTube establishes a rule to curb that kind of portrayal, I can't say I hate it. According to their rules they are still accepting of hunting videos, which would be easy enough to not be if that was truly their agenda. TikTok for example, just showing a gun or kill shot will get a video removed as it is against community guidelines. I don't understand Youtube not allowing the food processing aspect of it.. that seems quite educational to me without being excessively graphic. But it's their rulebook, if you want to play the game you gotta play by the rules. But I digress.
QuoteHunting content where there's no depiction of graphic animal injuries or prolonged suffering.
- Hunting videos where the moment of kill or injury is indiscernible, and with no focal footage of how
this dead animal is processed for trophy or food purposes"
So are all the cooking videos, especially pit BBQ also going to be banned? They show dead animals being processed!
Quote from: derek on September 21, 2021, 10:03:29 AM
youtube is a platform widely used by non-hunters. Why they would even click on a hunting video is beyond me, but they certainly do. One thing I personally dislike in hunting videos and/or pictures across any social media platform is highlighting the graphic. Sitting there videoing the turkey flopping, the head on that bird that was just a little too close, the slow-motion reel of that close - devastating shot.. the stuff that isn't that respectful towards the animal we are pursuing. We all know that kind of stuff exists in this game, but when that's what is turned into the "cool" part.. there is a problem. If myself as a hunter cringes when I see these things, what does the non-hunter think.. particularly the one that's on the fence and wants to accept what we do. If YouTube establishes a rule to curb that kind of portrayal, I can't say I hate it.
Well stated, Derek,...totally agree with you about this,...and it's one reason I enjoy watching your videos. :icon_thumright:
Free speech is not allowed on the internet ???
Corporate America will do what they want, whenever they want. Whether it makes sense or not. Nudity is allowed on YouTube as far as its considered "educational", not sure how one of these crappie fileting or dove breasting videos wouldn't be considered "educational". Oh well, as Derek said though I can't really hate on YouTube for this as it may save our reputation towards some of the anti-hunter crowd.
What I will comment on was the other day SeekOne posted on their Instagram story a desperate cry for help begging their following to purchase merchandise off their website "to continue to support them" after YT demonetized their videos. As far as the demonetizing goes I have absolutely no sympathy for anyone who will choose to cry about that. As a previous commenter mentioned there's over 11 million job vacancies in the U.S. currently, go get you a real job and quit banking on that turkey money. I recall watching SeekOne in their early days when they had just a handful of subscribers, I didn't have anything against them when they'd pulled out the camera after getting off of work for the day and heading to the deer stand. But sadly now I just do not care to watch them as they are dipping into the traveling turkey game and western big game hunts (gee, I wonder why...follow the money trail people). As well as the endless sponsorships, promotions, etc. I really would love to see all these guys like SeekOne, THP, Pinhoti have to get back up and get a real job again. After all, I'm sure they'd enjoy their time in the woods a bit more as it wouldn't feel like such tedious work trying to entertain fans for their livelihood.
The few YT channels I do enjoy watching are just normal guys who carry day jobs and take off of work to hunt/fish. Not hunt and film for a living. Examples would be The Hunting Beast, Bayside Legion, Panola Productions.
As someone pointed out, Yes I used to complain about the Michael Waddell, Primos, Shockey, etc videos on cable TV being out of touch with the style of hunter/ hunting lifestyle I have. Along came Pinhoti and I thought that was my saving grace as it is similar to my style of turkey hunting. Well, I didn't foresee at the time how quickly the common man's turkey hunting would be commercialized.
I think its wrong to demonitize any hunting or fishing videos on utube. However I personally don't watch many and won't miss them. That doesn't make what utube is doing right but as a private organization they can call the shots. Thats one of the reasons I don't do Facebook.
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I'm happy to see it. Hopefully all these public land YouTube turkey hunters will begin to go away soon.
WATCH WHAT you wish for, if they are doing this now to the YOUTUBE guy's, they may just be the start of things to come, these type forum's could be next and under attacked... We all may need to rethink this and start trying to defend our hunting heritage regardless.. Just something to think about .... IMO....
Quote from: TurkeyReaper69 on September 21, 2021, 06:36:05 PM
Corporate America will do what they want, whenever they want. Whether it makes sense or not. Nudity is allowed on YouTube as far as its considered "educational", not sure how one of these crappie fileting or dove breasting videos wouldn't be considered "educational". Oh well, as Derek said though I can't really hate on YouTube for this as it may save our reputation towards some of the anti-hunter crowd.
What I will comment on was the other day SeekOne posted on their Instagram story a desperate cry for help begging their following to purchase merchandise off their website "to continue to support them" after YT demonetized their videos. As far as the demonetizing goes I have absolutely no sympathy for anyone who will choose to cry about that. As a previous commenter mentioned there's over 11 million job vacancies in the U.S. currently, go get you a real job and quit banking on that turkey money. I recall watching SeekOne in their early days when they had just a handful of subscribers, I didn't have anything against them when they'd pulled out the camera after getting off of work for the day and heading to the deer stand. But sadly now I just do not care to watch them as they are dipping into the traveling turkey game and western big game hunts (gee, I wonder why...follow the money trail people). As well as the endless sponsorships, promotions, etc. I really would love to see all these guys like SeekOne, THP, Pinhoti have to get back up and get a real job again. After all, I'm sure they'd enjoy their time in the woods a bit more as it wouldn't feel like such tedious work trying to entertain fans for their livelihood.
The few YT channels I do enjoy watching are just normal guys who carry day jobs and take off of work to hunt/fish. Not hunt and film for a living. Examples would be The Hunting Beast, Bayside Legion, Panola Productions.
As someone pointed out, Yes I used to complain about the Michael Waddell, Primos, Shockey, etc videos on cable TV being out of touch with the style of hunter/ hunting lifestyle I have. Along came Pinhoti and I thought that was my saving grace as it is similar to my style of turkey hunting. Well, I didn't foresee at the time how quickly the common man's turkey hunting would be commercialized.
You sir, absolutely nailed this one. I agree 100% with this comment and I know a large percentage of other hunters do as well. I don't give a crap what they do for a living, as long as it doesn't involve pimping out turkey hunting. I hope this ruins the entire commercialization of hunting on YouTube.
#MakePublicLandGreatAgain
#KeepUrbanHuntingAlive
Seriously. Both are relevant in this situation. SeekOne and their imitators have been the catalyst for urban hunting bans/proposals across the nation. Some things are best left unglamorized, one of those being hunting in the suburbs.
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on September 23, 2021, 07:36:04 AM
#MakePublicLandGreatAgain
#KeepUrbanHuntingAlive
Seriously. Both are relevant in this situation. SeekOne and their imitators have been the catalyst for urban hunting bans/proposals across the . Some things are best left unglamorized, one of those being hunting in the suburbs.
Point well taken. The damage done to the image of hunters by these guys shooting deer that, perhaps, five minutes prior, were getting handfed by the next door neighbor can't be overstated.
...Now, I realize that this statement is an obvious exaggeration, but the message should be clear. There are circumstances where hunters should have the common sense to realize they are not doing the hunter image any favors by choosing to participate in this kind of "hunting". I can't imagine how it helps to save our lifestyle by "rubbing the blood" of what we do in the faces of those that may find it distasteful,...and ultimately control our future as hunters.
In my mind, there are times and places where killing a trophy buck is meaningless,...and, quite probably, detrimental to all of us.
sorry to burst your bubble Jim, but there is an abundance of dumb arses in our social group
They set the rules,they will ban whatever the advertising money tells them too ban.
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Basically, this is another long term "reaping of the rewards" for exploiting public land, or in this particular case urban hunting. Not only does it demonetize these guys, the bigger issue is opportunity taken away for other hunters as a result. Why can't folks just hunt and enjoy it? Now, we have to make $$$ on it? Not to confuse with sharing videoed hunts, pictures, stories, but when you start promoting, highlighting, or exploiting specifics such as urban hunting and public land to the extent many on YouTube do, there will be negative results. Don't patronize us with the claim of educating others or introducing others for the future of the sport. It's about personal gain of some sort....money, fame, etc.
I don't agree with censorship and there is a definite one-sided, liberal leaning agenda on social media. But, I don't support profiting off of public land, especially when the negative results include decreased opportunities for other hunters. Primos, Knight & Hale, Drury, etc. have been used as comparative examples, and while I agree negatives come along with them as well, there is one fundamental difference. We all knew they hunted premier private ground or expensive outfitters that the majority of us would likely never have the luxury of hunting, while promoting tangible products. On the other hand, most of the YouTube channels are exploiting and profiting off the "public land experience", and when they intentionally or unintentionally give away specifics (results are the same either way) it narrows to an even more localized issue, which we have experienced.
So, for me I don't want to see censorship, but I also don't want to continue down this path we are on. Let them share away, but if the money gets cut then so be it. Figure out another way to make $$.
Before you tube, there was this thing called a magazine. And writers who wanted to stay employed would have to find something to write about every month. Thus the quick and easy articles" 10 best places to hunt xyz on public land" or some such variation of the topic. So this has been going on looong before you tube was a twinkle in anyone's eye. If you hunt public land, sooner or later people will find your super secret honey hole, with or without help from media sources. I've had it happen to me several times. So either you deal with more hunters, or move to a new area. Then when you move to another place, you are now that "somebody" who is "ruining my spot" to someone else. We are a country of around 330 million people, growing by the day ( thanks a lot, dude in the white house) and we are losing hunting lands to development. It sucks, but that is the reality we face. So go out and enjoy hunting while you can.
Quote from: the Ward on September 24, 2021, 12:12:57 PM
Before you tube, there was this thing called a magazine. And writers who wanted to stay employed would have to find something to write about every month. Thus the quick and easy articles" 10 best places to hunt xyz on public land" or some such variation of the topic. So this has been going on looong before you tube was a twinkle in anyone's eye. If you hunt public land, sooner or later people will find your super secret honey hole, with or without help from media sources. I've had it happen to me several times. So either you deal with more hunters, or move to you a new area. Then when you move to another place, you are now that "somebody" who is "ruining my spot" to someone else. We are a country of around 330 million people, growing by the day ( thanks a lot, dude in the white house) and we are losing hunting lands to development. It sucks, but that is the reality we face. So go out and enjoy hunting while you can.
As said before, writers are just as guilty. But, it's a new level with the internet involved, and that can't be argued. Accessible to millions with the click of a button. Joe on FB is just as guilty as well. And it's not about losing a honey hole. Those have come and gone since day 1. What we need are YouTubers and social media users to be responsible stewards for the resource and other hunters, and the masses educated to the negatives with promoting/exploiting public land and sharing specifics. Pretty easy fix if individuals choose to put the resource and other hunters over themselves. Unfortunately, the damage has already been done and the cats out of the bag, but in time the negatives could be lessened. If I'm being honest, I don't have a lot of faith for much to change overall as long as $$ and self notoriety is involved in today's social culture. We shall see.
Quote from: the Ward on September 24, 2021, 12:12:57 PM
Before you tube, there was this thing called a magazine. And writers who wanted to stay employed would have to find something to write about every month. Thus the quick and easy articles" 10 best places to hunt xyz on public land" or some such variation of the topic. So this has been going on looong before you tube was a twinkle in anyone's eye. If you hunt public land, sooner or later people will find your super secret honey hole, with or without help from media sources. I've had it happen to me several times. So either you deal with more hunters, or move to a new area. Then when you move to another place, you are now that "somebody" who is "ruining my spot" to someone else. We are a country of around 330 million people, growing by the day ( thanks a lot, dude in the white house) and we are losing hunting lands to development. It sucks, but that is the reality we face. So go out and enjoy hunting while you can.
A magazine and social media are not even close to being comparable. You actually had to pay for a magazine subscription and then actually read it! Now a person a can watch video after video made by Dave Owens, THP, or many other like like them with a mouse in one hand and playing with their dick with the other. The way people idolize them I wouldn't doubt if thats really how a lot poeple watch their videos.
Quote from: the Ward on September 24, 2021, 12:12:57 PM
Before you tube, there was this thing called a magazine. And writers who wanted to stay employed would have to find something to write about every month. Thus the quick and easy articles" 10 best places to hunt xyz on public land" or some such variation of the topic. So this has been going on looong before you tube was a twinkle in anyone's eye. If you hunt public land, sooner or later people will find your super secret honey hole, with or without help from media sources. I've had it happen to me several times. So either you deal with more hunters, or move to a new area. Then when you move to another place, you are now that "somebody" who is "ruining my spot" to someone else. We are a country of around 330 million people, growing by the day ( thanks a lot, dude in the white house) and we are losing hunting lands to development. It sucks, but that is the reality we face. So go out and enjoy hunting while you can.
Not even comparable to subscription based magazines.
THP just launched a video that got over 100k views in less than 24 hours. Filmed in a state that has already paid them before (Arizona). In a few days of videoing/editing, they reached over 100k people in LESS THAN A DAY after going live.
Very timely of them too, as Arizona residents recently started a petition to try and convince their Game and Fish to quit paying influencers. Link to petition below:
https://chng.it/RVJXgPLFGG
I'm sure Arizona residents are thrilled their hunting opportunities are being exploited for profit, once again.
Now think of the time it takes to put a magazine together. The articles, editing, advertising, circulation, delivery.... Oh yeah, lets not forget, people have to PAY for magazines too. Unlike YouTube and other social media outlets. This technology age has antiquated magazines and their reach is nothing like today's social media.
Quote from: Stoeger_bird on September 24, 2021, 04:11:21 PM
Now a person a can watch video after video made by Dave Owens, THP, or many other like like them with a mouse in one hand and playing with their dick with the other.
Realizing that we are in the middle of a serious discussion here, I just have to pause and state, for the record, that this comment was funny as hell! ...Gave me a good, long laugh! Good one Dude! :TooFunny: :D :TooFunny:
They got paid 23 g-birds to hunt Georgia?? How do we know this? If that's true, that's freaking wild considering I believe other Youtubers were on another thread that went 9 pages earlier this summer and I believe the comment was "they get paid enough to pay for the gas, if they're lucky"
Quote from: turkeyfool on September 25, 2021, 01:54:30 AM
They got paid 23 g-birds to hunt Georgia?? How do we know this? If that's true, that's freaking wild considering I believe other Youtubers were on another thread that went 9 pages earlier this summer and I believe the comment was "they get paid enough to pay for the gas, if they're lucky"
Oh, it is true. A lot of us already knew THP was getting paid. It was pretty easy to recognize. Why else would they put all those links in those videos to buy licenses in certain states, tag state DNRs in posts, get shout outs in State DNR e-mail blasts, etc.
But back to your question. Georgia boys REALLY didn't like losing weeks off their public land turkey season while at the same time having suspicions THP was being paid to pimp their public lands. So they did what any of us can do and reached out their state DNR for answers. And answers were provided! THP was paid $23k to hunt deer and turkey in a state where public land turkey opportunity was soon cut 2-3 weeks and multiple WMAs went draw hunt only for the first time. NOT a good look!
Here is the correspondence with GA DNR's marketing coordinator confirming THP being paid:
(https://i.imgur.com/73NPyzL.jpg)
Here is a Facebook post from GA DNR employees about the subject:
(https://i.imgur.com/mKIkIyT.jpg)
Multiple GA people further confirmed THP being paid by contacting GA DNR.
There is 21 pages split between 2 forum threads on the Georgia Outdoors forum about the subject. Been a lot of talk about it on other social media platforms too. Link to forum threads below:
https://forum.gon.com/threads/dnr-and-the-hunting-public.999571/
https://forum.gon.com/threads/nonresident-turkey-hunting.998738/
And its not just Georgia paying them. TN has confirmed to have paid them at least $10k as well. Another state paying influencers to hunt while simultaneously taking gobblers off their bag limit.
(https://i.imgur.com/b7QhggH.jpg)
And THP admitted to being paid by AZ too. Of course they use the COVID excuse like other YouTuber's do when it comes to drastic increases in public land pressure on public lands they explicitly highlight.
(https://i.imgur.com/QtZzs0p.jpg)
And i'm sure there's other states paying them/looking to pay them right now. This trend will continue unless hunters in each state raise enough stink about it.
As for that other YouTuber that posted on here saying they were just getting paid gas money? He always comes to other YouTuber's defense. He is a bit out of touch when it comes to recognizing the damage that has happened to public land turkey hunting. But in his defense, he likely didn't know they were being paid so much. His channel's reach and marketing value isn't even remotely close to THP's. And the income that particular YouTuber gets from his videos isn't really that much.
I'm going to have to talk with Shannon and see if i can get some funding from patch sells for gas money because of promoting turkey hunting on the forum. I must also contact these call builders that i have been promoting on the forum for some free calls and code discounts ... :OGturkeyhead:
I think we should start a bidding war and under bid them. Heck I'll come hunt your state for a lot less than 23K. I don't have good video and posting equipment so It'll take me a while to post my videos, like 10 years
Eggshell ... I am with you! I will come and hunt any state in the country for gas money. If a conflict comes up, it may need
to include license money, if a bidding war, food/lodging. I eat a lot, and I eat well! ???? This could get expensive quick.
@ the Country. I am that cheap, and I will kill your turkeys, and promote your state. Reach out, I will be there. Eventually, I will be there anyway if I haven't already.
I wish it was February so we could mentally be getting ready to go hunting instead of this. Its taxing to me to read, and I am not a new hunter. I know a lot of you are not as well, take no offense please.
Fall is here guys.
I'm not here to fight there fight for them, but the information about what THP got paid in Georgia is incorrect. The info from GA says that "$23k was spent on a project involving The Hunting Public". It does not say that THP was paid $23k to do the project. And although it won't satisfy some of you, some will be appreciative when they reveal what they did with the money they received.
I can say from personal experience that the ones of them that I have spent time with are stand up guys. If you'd like to see them do things a certain way I'd encourage you to reach out via social media in a respectful manner and you might be surprised at the response you get.
Quote from: Shiloh on September 25, 2021, 11:01:55 PM
I can say from personal experience that the ones of them that I have spent time with are stand up guys. If you'd like to see them do things a certain way I'd encourage you to reach out via social media in a respectful manner and you might be surprised at the response you get.
They may be pretty regular dudes, but it's also pretty darn hard to explain away the turd in the punch bowl when you showed a video of yourself crapping in it.
I hear ya eggshell, but the fact of the matter is that social media of all forms is here to stay and for every person on this board that is frustrated with the direction things are going there are 1,000's that set their timer so they know when the show airs. You have guys involved with the most influential show out there that will listen to what their supporters have to say and want what's best for the resource. I think we should take advantage of that and hope that other groups will follow their lead. Whining on this forum will produce O results if we don't come up with a reasonable way to deal with it and a compromise.
And I've said it before so I'll say it again. This public land/travel fad is just that, a fad, and it will pass. I know numerous guys that have traveled a long distance and been kicked in the teeth and they ain't going back.
Quote from: Shiloh on September 26, 2021, 07:40:06 AM
And I've said it before so I'll say it again. This public land/travel fad is just that, a fad, and it will pass. I know numerous guys that have traveled a long distance and been kicked in the teeth and they ain't going back.
I believe you are correct in this assessment. The law of diminishing returns will eventually kick in for a lot of folks. In addition, there are only so many of us,...even those of us that call ourselves avid turkey hunters,...to which turkey hunting is the "end all" in our lives. As much as we love turkey hunting, I can't help but believe that most of us realize there are obligations, relationships, and other things in our lives that have priority over turkey hunting.
This forum, and others like it, have a skewed percentage of those folks that fit into the category of,..."I am going turkey hunting, everything else in life be damned". As the quality of turkey hunting declines in a lot of places due to the apparent "fad" that exists at the moment, there will eventually be fewer and fewer people in that category.
With all due respect, i just can't get worked up over people making hunting videos and posting them on u toob. I don't have a problem with them making money at it either.If you don't like them, don't watch. But be careful what you wish for, banning stuff you don't like only leads to banning stuff you do like. If you hadn't noticed , there has been a pretty concerted effort to stop the free flow of ideas and speech going on in this country.Those kind of people would love nothing more than to ban guns and hunting videos. They would be delighted to know that others are doing their work for them. There is no putting the social media genie back in the bottle. I don't like it, but we are all going to have to learn to deal with it.
Dang Shilo, I like to whine almost as much as I like to turkey hunt and as I get older I am actually getting better at whining ;D
I actually have a strategy that makes their blunders work in my favor, but I sure as heck ain't sharing it here.
I agree it's more fad than a "here to stay" thing. I have seen a lot of turkeys hunters fall by the wayside when it turned out to be more then they bargained for. When we had the boom and you could go out and sit on any X and kill a gobbler we had a bunch of hunters. After the population leveled off and birds started getting wiser, the human strutters disappeared
Quote from: the Ward on September 26, 2021, 09:50:19 AM
With all due respect, i just can't get worked up over people making hunting videos and posting them on u toob. I don't have a problem with them making money at it either.If you don't like them, don't watch. But be careful what you wish for, banning stuff you don't like only leads to banning stuff you do like. If you hadn't noticed , there has been a pretty concerted effort to stop the free flow of ideas and speech going on in this country.Those kind of people would love nothing more than to ban guns and hunting videos. They would be delighted to know that others are doing their work for them. There is no putting the social media genie back in the bottle. I don't like it, but we are all going to have to learn to deal with it.
X2 ... AMEN.. again watch for what you wish for ....
Hey Eggshell......same boat here!! I have 3 kids that all love to hunt, so I will be a staunch advocate for anything that helps them going forward.
I have been talking to and paying attention to what guys on here say and from what I can gather the most reasonable thing is to ask these guys to not mention the state. I personally think this might even play to their favor.
I am also in agreement with you guys above. We probably need to keep our extra curricular activities in perspective. I know I have to work at this!!! Not happy about 9u baseball running during turkey season????
Quote from: the Ward on September 26, 2021, 09:50:19 AM
With all due respect, i just can't get worked up over people making hunting videos and posting them on u toob. I don't have a problem with them making money at it either.If you don't like them, don't watch. But be careful what you wish for, banning stuff you don't like only leads to banning stuff you do like. If you hadn't noticed , there has been a pretty concerted effort to stop the free flow of ideas and speech going on in this country.Those kind of people would love nothing more than to ban guns and hunting videos. They would be delighted to know that others are doing their work for them. There is no putting the social media genie back in the bottle. I don't like it, but we are all going to have to learn to deal with it.
I respect your opinion, but disagree and here is why. I see a lot of messages in this thread and others that suggest we deal with it, accept it, and that it just "is what it is" as a product of the social media driven world we live in. Thats the definition of apathy. I also see messages with warnings to be careful what we wish for and banning, or in this case, demonetizing YouTube channels are dangerous for the future of hunting. But, what about the obvious negatives that a "few" are responsible for, and should we just accept it as hunter opportunities continue to decline? Should we accept the added stress on the localized resource? Simply not watching or changing the channel doesn't address the problem. Not to get political, but does changing the channel on the news stop the flow of illegal immigrants at the border? Of course not. Fad or not, these guys continue to fuel the fire. I'm open to listen, but in multiple discussions on this subject have yet to read one plausible explanation that sharing specifics is good for the resource and the future of turkey hunting.
I will continue to speak out, as will others, and to be honest I think it continues to grow as more people put two and two together and realize how this is a detriment to the resource and fellow turkey hunters. Some are exploiting public land and game species for personal gain at the expense of those game species and hunters. I'll never understand how we just accept that. Someone else mentioned that these are great guys, and I've not seen anyone say otherwise. But, no matter how likable they are as individuals or how awesome their content is, it doesn't negate the negative effects they inflict. That argument adds zero credence to the discussion. They have been presented with concerns, so let's see what adjustments they make with the content shared moving forward.
Quote from: Shiloh on September 25, 2021, 11:01:55 PM
I'm not here to fight there fight for them, but the information about what THP got paid in Georgia is incorrect. The info from GA says that "$23k was spent on a project involving The Hunting Public". It does not say that THP was paid $23k to do the project. And although it won't satisfy some of you, some will be appreciative when they reveal what they did with the money they received.
I can say from personal experience that the ones of them that I have spent time with are stand up guys. If you'd like to see them do things a certain way I'd encourage you to reach out via social media in a respectful manner and you might be surprised at the response you get.
I don't care if they received the full 23K, 23 hundred or 23 dollars, paying "influencers" to exploit a falling population is wrong no matter how you view it. We've managed to lose 2 weeks, one gobbler and go to a limit of one bird a day. Our population was falling over the last few years and sure did not need our "great" hunting shown to millions and then pay them to bring in hunters.
Another issue that I have is that they (youtubers) are whining about losing money, but I stand by the fact that the platform that they are using is free and gets their videos out to billions of people.
I've always questioned how they could be so "poor", but be able to afford multiple out of state licenses, gas and convenience store food, but their "wannabees" would defend them.
Now, don't get me wrong, I have watched and will watch some of their videos, but I would enjoy them more if they would be upfront with these issues and admit that they are being paid to exploit hunting.
El Pavo I have two honest questions:
1) Who said to ignore it and let it go?
2) What do you think we do to fix it?
Honestly not trying to be a smart booty with these questions......
A year or so ago it was just because they would show too much content. Then it was, they were bringing in to many new hunters, and I am loosing opertunity. Now its that the states are paying them.
Just curious, do you guys feel the same about professional guides? And, if not, why? They are making money from the resource.
Like I said, I am curious to a few of the guys view on this.
Quote from: WV Flopper on September 26, 2021, 05:11:59 PM
A year or so ago it was just because they would show too much content. Then it was, they were bringing in to many new hunters, and I am loosing opertunity. Now its that the states are paying them.
Just curious, do you guys feel the same about professional guides? And, if not, why? They are making money from the resource.
Like I said, I am curious to a few of the guys view on this.
The vast majority of guides are not on public land and if they are, they are not broadcasting to the world where they are hunting.
Alot of guides use public ground. Alot of them 100%. It is not cost effective to lease acres of ground to try and make an honest hunt.
There was a post a while back, not long ago. A turkey hunters worst enemy, or something very close. "It's a disgruntled turkey hunter" .
Quote from: Shiloh on September 25, 2021, 11:01:55 PM
I'm not here to fight there fight for them, but the information about what THP got paid in Georgia is incorrect. The info from GA says that "$23k was spent on a project involving The Hunting Public". It does not say that THP was paid $23k to do the project. And although it won't satisfy some of you, some will be appreciative when they reveal what they did with the money they received.
I can say from personal experience that the ones of them that I have spent time with are stand up guys. If you'd like to see them do things a certain way I'd encourage you to reach out via social media in a respectful manner and you might be surprised at the response you get.
Thats a bunch of crap! How many times have they been asked to just not name the states they are hunting. Jusy say Southeast or midwest? They keep doing it because when it comes down to it all they care about is the money. More views for naming XYZ state equals more money!
Quote from: Shiloh on September 26, 2021, 04:31:01 PM
El Pavo I have two honest questions:
1) Who said to ignore it and let it go?
2) What do you think we do to fix it?
Honestly not trying to be a smart booty with these questions......
#1. It's been pretty well the standard response and message shared by the majority defending or at the least, turning a blind eye to these issues.....
"Public land is crowded. Always has been and honey holes come and go. Have to be creative."
"Magazine writers have always been guilty of sharing specific information."
"Deal with it. Social media isn't going away, so you just have to adapt and adjust"
"Covid is the reason for increased hunters."
And the list goes on and on.
This line is thinking is ignoring it without directly saying, "Ignore it."
#2. An abbreviated response... I think it begins with each individual self reflecting on how his or her own actions effect not only the resource, but also other hunters. Make an honest assessment of whether I am placing personal gain (money, notoriety, or FB likes) over what is most important. As a whole we continue to discuss it and EDUCATE the dangers for the resource and turkey hunters, not to just alter the direction of YouTube, but also users on Facebook and forums. We look past what is enjoyable entertainment and determine if it produces negative results, and if it does we hold those accountable that continue to be poor stewards.
what can we do to fix it ? I believe this very thread is part of the solution. Get it out in the open and discuss it, comment on their channels and talk to your agencies. Here in Ohio, I believe it is illegal to guide on public or charge. I'm not sure how profiting from hunting public goes, but probably is legal. If you ever encounter these guys respectfully tell them how you feel.
Last spring my hunting buddy and I went on our annual out-of-state trip to the same spot we have hunted for 35 years. The first morning we walked into a cluster muck. The woods were full of yahoos and some had set up camp right in the turkey roost on National forest. If you struck a bird you better kill him quick or the hoards would descend on your location. Well, we packed it in early and went to the truck. While we were getting ready to go here came some of the yahoos, of course toting a video camera. My buddy said, "lets get the heck out of here and I said, "no wait I want to talk to them". They were very pleasant young men and excited about what they were doing. They actually admitted they set up on a bird they knew someone else was on, but also said, "hey it's public ground". Now they were not any of the ones we have discussed on this thread, but they were "wanna bees". We talked about turkey hunting in general and how our hunts had went. After we had built a little comfort between us I told them how I felt. I explained I was happy to see young hunters with a passion, but they need to be considerate of those around them. I explained some of my gripes about the youtube crowd. I told them I had hunted this valley for 30+ years and never had such a poor experience as that morning. I told them I had killed over 40 birds out of the area and they thought that was great. One asked where the hot spots were. My reply was that I would not tell them and until they gained some respect for those who came before them they would get no tips. I told them they could have the valley we'd move on to plan "B". During the conversation we did give them some hunting strategy tips and we were friendly. I actually gave one young man a call. When we were leaving, one young man took off walking to their camp, but the other hung back and thanked us for the honest conversation. He did say he could tell we pissed his buddy off, but he said it was an honor to talk to two guys with 50 years experience each. He promised to do better, but he admitted his buddy just wanted to be famous. I think it was a half hour well spent talking. Whether it stuck or not I don't know, but we at least made our points. We moved on and never saw them again. That's an example of what we can do
Me apathetic? Nobody who knows me would use that word to describe me ha ha! Anyways, I still don't understand how stopping/banning guys from making videos of their hunts and posting them on social media is going to protect the resource. I mean that line of thought includes arms and ammo manufactures, clothing, and hunting equipment and call makers. Everyone of those are making money off of a public resource, and use it in advertisements to further their business. In the last few years small numbers of activists have used social media to project an image all out of proportion to actual mainstream public opinion.Squeaky wheel gets the grease and all. And lawmakers paid attention, and look what is happening to our country. We must use social media to our advantage to expand the public's exposure to hunting and outdoor pursuits, not limit it. The chasm between urban and rural populations widen with each year. Fewer and fewer people have a connection to the land. We need to use social media to project a positive image, and a united front, and also try to narrow that chasm, or at least slow that gap from widening, or we are going to lose it all in another generation or two.
There has been a concerted effort to shut down/demonetize gun and hunting videos posted on youtoob. Why is that? It is because the powers that be don't approve of it, and they want to limit access to it. Kill the messenger, kill the message. It is that simple.They are hellbent on destroying anything they don't like, and they are using the power of social media to do it, and they don't like us. And they have been succeeding. And when and if they succeed in banning guns and hunting from youtube, internet forums will be next. If there is a problem with local game populations, and over harvest due to hunter numbers, then your state DNR is who to contact and voice concerns to. I think hunters can be their own worst enemies at times. I get it that youtube personality's posting video's to get viewer clicks that shows a location is dumb, irresponsible, and really bad for local guys hunting there. I would be irritated about that immensely myself. But lets not cut off our nose to spite our face, either.They have a comment section on youtube, let them know how you feel about what they are doing. It will likely have more of an impact on them posting it there, than on here.
Quote from: the Ward on September 27, 2021, 10:13:02 AM
There has been a concerted effort to shut down/demonetize gun and hunting videos posted on youtoob. Why is that? It is because the powers that be don't approve of it, and they want to limit access to it. Kill the messenger, kill the message. It is that simple.They are hellbent on destroying anything they don't like, and they are using the power of social media to do it, and they don't like us. And they have been succeeding. And when and if they succeed in banning guns and hunting from youtube, internet forums will be next. If there is a problem with local game populations, and over harvest due to hunter numbers, then your state DNR is who to contact and voice concerns to. I think hunters can be their own worst enemies at times. I get it that youtube personality's posting video's to get viewer clicks that shows a location is dumb, irresponsible, and really bad for local guys hunting there. I would be irritated about that immensely myself. But lets not cut off our nose to spite our face, either.They have a comment section on youtube, let them know how you feel about what they are doing. It will likely have more of an impact on them posting it there, than on here.
X3 .. Good post ... Amen again...
good post Ward :you_rock:
Quote from: the Ward on September 27, 2021, 09:33:28 AM
Me apathetic? Nobody who knows me would use that word to describe me ha ha! Anyways, I still don't understand how stopping/banning guys from making videos of their hunts and posting them on social media is going to protect the resource. I mean that line of thought includes arms and ammo manufactures, clothing, and hunting equipment and call makers. Everyone of those are making money off of a public resource, and use it in advertisements to further their business. In the last few years small numbers of activists have used social media to project an image all out of proportion to actual mainstream public opinion.Squeaky wheel gets the grease and all. And lawmakers paid attention, and look what is happening to our country. We must use social media to our advantage to expand the public's exposure to hunting and outdoor pursuits, not limit it. The chasm between urban and rural populations widen with each year. Fewer and fewer people have a connection to the land. We need to use social media to project a positive image, and a united front, and also try to narrow that chasm, or at least slow that gap from widening, or we are going to lose it all in another generation or two.
Huge difference between promoting hunting in general and promoting specific public land. Is hot spotting or highlighting public ground a positive way to use social media to our advantage? In the case discussed with Seek One, it was about being demonetized. They can still share hunts, etc. from what I understand, but will not get paid. They can earn money another way and still share their hunts in my opinion. As mentioned previously it's almost as if highlighting hunting the suburbs has awakened the antis.... Sometimes you need to fly under the radar. My concerns are not with sharing and promoting hunting with videos, pictures, stories, BUT leave the promotion of YXZ region in XYZ state, XYZ WMA, XYZ National Forest, and honestly XYZ state in general out of the content. And that goes for individuals on forums and Facebook too. It's simply not necessary unless it's about personal gain. Bottom line..... it's selfish. Let's not turn it around on concerned hunters as the problem. Share away, just leave the exploitation of public land out of your content. Simple fix. As hunter opportunities are dwindling in these highlighted areas, are some willing to step back, find some humility and make the necessary changes?
I agree with what El Pavo says above. Keep bringing the content. Leave out the location. Simple IMHO
OP, Seek One claims the whole fall season is lost due to $0 income from YT. All videos are up but no $ is paid. Advertising still leads the video too. Per Seek One Instagram from millennial source. YT gets paid but not the producer.
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Quote from: Shiloh on September 27, 2021, 10:09:04 PM
I agree with what El Pavo says above. Keep bringing the content. Leave out the location. Simple IMHO
I do agree on this also.
Quote from: fallhnt on September 28, 2021, 06:39:11 AM
OP, Seek One claims the whole fall season is lost due to $0 income from YT. All videos are up but no $ is paid. Advertising still leads the video too. Per Seek One Instagram from millennial source. YT gets paid but not the producer.
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This is one of my beefs with youtube also. Making money off of the guys that put in the time and effort to produce good content, then deny them the ability to be paid for their work. Its a win-win for them. Lot of videos lately posted by guys who have popular hunting and shooting shows getting their revenue streams cut off. Hmmm....
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on September 24, 2021, 09:39:27 AM
Don't patronize us with the claim of educating others or introducing others for the future of the sport. It's about personal gain of some sort....money, fame, etc.
If you are going to make your dollar off of turkey hunting and exploiting public lands I'd prefer you own up to it rather than hiding behind the ruses El Pavo mentioned. So tired of Catman getting on here talking about his motives and justifying it for the future of the sport. If he truly cared so much about the future of the sport he'd go lobby in DC for public land hunting, or run for office, etc etc. Plenty of better options to ensure the long term future of this sport rather than youtubing.
Quote from: WV Flopper on September 26, 2021, 07:55:13 PM
Alot of guides use public ground. Alot of them 100%. It is not cost effective to lease acres of ground to try and make an honest hunt.
There was a post a while back, not long ago. A turkey hunters worst enemy, or something very close. "It's a disgruntled turkey hunter" .
several good friends of mine are inshore fishing guides in Florida. I said to one of them one time "are you never nervous about taking a client out and them dropping the pin in their phone and coming back to fish themselves?, Because if I was some random client of yours I'd do so in a heartbeat and come back and tear the reds up".
He replied saying he's not really concerned about it, even if some dad and son from Alabama come fish with him he's not too worried about them coming back down and fishing his spot.
I'm sure your wondering why this is relevant.
In my opinion I'd rather have a guide take someone or a group into a national forest and have that spot etched into that person or persons brain permenantly, rather than a youtuber with such a tremendous following such as THP put that elk hunt on the map for hundreds of thousands to see and put the idea in their head of going on a hunt in said state or even so much as said area within a state. In some of these videos by these groups it ain't all that hard to figure out where they are whether it be a local recognizing landmarks, or maybe rules and regulations mentioned that are only applicable to a specific area. On numerous occasions I have been able to pencil in on exactly where someone hunts on youtube on states I'm familiar with. Such as THP and Shane in MS. Dave Owens in NoDak, Montana and FL quota areas among others
Similar to the magazine vs youtube issue that was discussed. A guide may effect one person or a group personally and they will forever remember that spot, but doesn't have the large audience that a popular YouTube group would have.
Quote from: TurkeyReaper69 on September 28, 2021, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: WV Flopper on September 26, 2021, 07:55:13 PM
Alot of guides use public ground. Alot of them 100%. It is not cost effective to lease acres of ground to try and make an honest hunt.
There was a post a while back, not long ago. A turkey hunters worst enemy, or something very close. "It's a disgruntled turkey hunter" .
several good friends of mine are inshore fishing guides in Florida. I said to one of them one time "are you never nervous about taking a client out and them dropping the pin in their phone and coming back to fish themselves?, Because if I was some random client of yours I'd do so in a heartbeat and come back and tear the reds up".
He replied saying he's not really concerned about it, even if some dad and son from Alabama come fish with him he's not too worried about them coming back down and fishing his spot.
I'm sure your wondering why this is relevant.
In my opinion I'd rather have a guide take someone or a group into a national forest and have that spot etched into that person or persons brain permenantly, rather than a youtuber with such a tremendous following such as THP put that elk hunt on the map for hundreds of thousands to see and put the idea in their head of going on a hunt in said state or even so much as said area within a state. In some of these videos by these groups it ain't all that hard to figure out where they are whether it be a local recognizing landmarks, or maybe rules and regulations mentioned that are only applicable to a specific area. On numerous occasions I have been able to pencil in on exactly where someone hunts on youtube on states I'm familiar with. Such as THP and Shane in MS. Dave Owens in NoDak, Montana and FL quota areas among others
Similar to the magazine vs youtube issue that was discussed. A guide may effect one person or a group personally and they will forever remember that spot, but doesn't have the large audience that a popular YouTube group would have.
This is spot on!!!!! Show the masses they will follow!