Hey Guys - There's a podcast covering this very subject and the hosts
have Kenny Mount, aka "Chubbs" as their guest. Chubbs has done some
hunting with Dave Owens of the Pinhoti Project, but is not a social
media guy himself.
They cover a variety of topics including the effects of social media,
the effects of the various slams, differences between old school
turkey hunters and today's turkey hunters, and hunting pressure.
Well worth listening to.
The podcast is on theturkeyhunterpodcast.com episode 349 from
July 8th, 2021. "More Musings with Chubbs".
I'm not smart enough to post a link, but if anyone else wants to feel free.
Here is the link:
https://www.theturkeyhunterpodcast.com/e/349-more-musings-with-chubbs/
It really was a good podcast. Chubbs isn't ignorant to what is happening and is willing to speak up, and I respect him for that. Like he said, if you don't think YouTube is having an impact, just go hunt a couple parts of Alabama.
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on July 16, 2021, 08:08:39 PM
Here is the link:
https://www.theturkeyhunterpodcast.com/e/349-more-musings-with-chubbs/
It really was a good podcast. Chubbs isn't ignorant to what is happening and is willing to speak up, and I respect him for that. Like he said, if you don't think YouTube is having an impact, just go hunt a couple parts of Alabama.
Yes it was a good podcast with different points of view, and Chubbs
doesn't have a dog in this fight as he doesn't do social media.
Thanks for posting the link.
And the timing is perfect for those on this board. Regarding another post of course. :funnyturkey:
It's difference in someone who truly cares about turkey hunting deep down. That was turkey hunting before social media and will be hunting after it crashes. VS those that are in it for the "look at me" and the likes.
A small minority of us have been saying this for years and more will join as our sport is being damaged beyond repair
I totally agree with Arkrem870..100%
I like to listen to podcast , but honestly normally never finish them because they 90 % of the time get to silly or way off track . But this podcast with chubs was a good one . He explained how I actually feel to the T . He gets it for sure . They also said something in this podcast that I've never thought of . The fact that most of the younger hunters these days have grown up in this social media driven life style , posting pics etc is just the norm for them. They never grew up having to learn on your own as I did , I didn't have but a couple of elders to learn from, and they where very conservative on giving tips , locations etc . My point is the fact that " maybe " I should lighten up and stop being so narrow minded and except the fact that this social media is here to stay and the pics , location info etc is just a product of the younger guys up bringing... "maybe "
Quote from: Howie g on July 20, 2021, 07:00:33 AM
I like to listen to podcast , but honestly normally never finish them because they 90 % of the time get to silly or way off track . But this podcast with chubs was a good one . He explained how I actually feel to the T . He gets it for sure . They also said something in this podcast that I've never thought of . The fact that most of the younger hunters these days have grown up in this social media driven life style , posting pics etc is just the norm for them. They never grew up having to learn on your own as I did , I didn't have but a couple of elders to learn from, and they where very conservative on giving tips , locations etc . My point is the fact that " maybe " I should lighten up and stop being so narrow minded and except the fact that this social media is here to stay and the pics , location info etc is just a product of the younger guys up bringing... "maybe "
The other thing you need to remember is that these younger hunters
also started hunting during a time when there were lots of turkeys.
People are much more likely to share information when there are turkeys
everywhere. As populations dwindle, I imagine the loose lips will tighten
up.
I wonder how many of them will stick with it when the going gets tough.
Looks like we're about to find out.
This is what I don't get about these arguments. Chubbs comes out and does this podcast and says what we all think and want to hear and gets a big applause, BUT..........Chubbs is hunting with Dave every year and is by far the most popular personality that Dave hunts with, so he is taking a huge part in social media and is part of what you all say the problem is. I think it is pretty hypocritical personally and seems like a little bit of lip service although he does seem genuine. I have no problem with the videos or youtube or Chubbs, but I do agree that state names and details should be left out and that is what I will be pushing for.
Quote from: Shiloh on July 20, 2021, 10:11:03 AM
This is what I don't get about these arguments. Chubbs comes out and does this podcast and says what we all think and want to hear and gets a big applause, BUT..........Chubbs is hunting with Dave every year and is by far the most popular personality that Dave hunts with, so he is taking a huge part in social media and is part of what you all say the problem is. I think it is pretty hypocritical personally and seems like a little bit of lip service although he does seem genuine. I have no problem with the videos or youtube or Chubbs, but I do agree that state names and details should be left out and that is what I will be pushing for.
If you listened to the podcast they actually talked about how hypocritical
they were. I don't look at it as an argument, I look at it as people giving different viewpoints about a topic that we're all interested in.
Yes Chubbs hunts with Dave sometimes, but as far as I know he's
never made a dime off of social media.
The podcast was their opinions, no different than your opinion, or my
opinion. It was a discussion on the effects of social media on hunting
pressure, and the effect of slams etc.
Why does everyone think everything's an argument, or want to start an
argument?
Whatever happened to debate, exchange of ideas, learning from others
with different opinions than yours, etc.?
First, what came first, the chicken or the egg?
Noble cause Jim, but anyone that reads these forums is going to say it appears that people are arguing. You make a good point, but we as hunters bicker back and forth a lot. Very rarely do we come together and actually get much done by being unified. To your point though. We should be able to discuss/debate for the good of the resource. That means that everyone can't be right all the time and can't get what they want all the time. They also can't take their ball and go home when they don't get what they want. Insert we for they in the above text.
I agree with you 100% Shiloh - we all can't be right all the time.
We all live in different areas with different circumstances, so what might
work or apply in one area won't work in another.
That's why I think the debate is good. It can open your eyes to something
you may not have considered.
People nowadays tend to have kneejerk reactions when someone says
something they don't like, and then the bickering ensues.
If people would communicate with each other as if they were face to face,
a lot of this arguing would stop.
Here I am on a internet forum. But I will say this. I am 64 years old and I would go back to pre internet, cell phone days in a heart beat. The world was a better place before all this stuff.
Quote from: MattM on July 20, 2021, 12:50:33 PM
Here I am on a internet forum. But I will say this. I am 64 years old and I would go back to pre internet, cell phone days in a heart beat. The world was a better place before all this stuff.
I'm 61 years old - you'll get no argument out of me!
I'm 42 and you'd get no argument out of me.
We agree Jimspur. Everyone has to give a little.
Quote from: Jimspur on July 20, 2021, 12:52:36 PM
Quote from: MattM on July 20, 2021, 12:50:33 PM
Here I am on a internet forum. But I will say this. I am 64 years old and I would go back to pre internet, cell phone days in a heart beat. The world was a better place before all this stuff.
I'm 61 years old - you'll get no argument out of me!
I'm 61 as well, where do I sign up? Put me down for pre internet, pre cell phone, pre Osceola, pre slam and pre NWTF.
34 and would love it
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Well, at 76 I'm certainly one of the oldest still avidly turkey hunting. When I started there was no internet, social media etc. You had hard copy topo maps and such...and that was it. Now, with the internet, social media, OnX, Huntstand, Gaia et al things will never be the same....and never regress. That's just the way it is. Technology never goes back, only forward. Would I like it to go back 40 years...absolutely...but it ere what it ere. Plus, with social media, all these jokers on ego trips to tell, and show, everyone what great "turkey hunters" they are. I don't watch any of this crap because it makes my arse ache.
Actually, thinking about it, I guess I'm somewhat of a hypocrite because I'm using this social media platform of OG to comment. As are you from viewing it.
Quote from: Shiloh on July 20, 2021, 10:11:03 AM
This is what I don't get about these arguments. Chubbs comes out and does this podcast and says what we all think and want to hear and gets a big applause, BUT..........Chubbs is hunting with Dave every year and is by far the most popular personality that Dave hunts with, so he is taking a huge part in social media and is part of what you all say the problem is. I think it is pretty hypocritical personally and seems like a little bit of lip service although he does seem genuine. I have no problem with the videos or youtube or Chubbs, but I do agree that state names and details should be left out and that is what I will be pushing for.
They tip-toed around some specific points they could have made, and yes they admitted fault in their own actions, thus the hypocrite references. I felt like he wasn't denying his part in it, but at least recognizes the negatives that come with it. We shall see if those in positions of influence are willing to make adjustments moving forward.
Quote from: Howie g on July 20, 2021, 07:00:33 AM
I like to listen to podcast , but honestly normally never finish them because they 90 % of the time get to silly or way off track . But this podcast with chubs was a good one . He explained how I actually feel to the T . He gets it for sure . They also said something in this podcast that I've never thought of . The fact that most of the younger hunters these days have grown up in this social media driven life style , posting pics etc is just the norm for them. They never grew up having to learn on your own as I did , I didn't have but a couple of elders to learn from, and they where very conservative on giving tips , locations etc . My point is the fact that " maybe " I should lighten up and stop being so narrow minded and except the fact that this social media is here to stay and the pics , location info etc is just a product of the younger guys up bringing... "maybe "
Do we lighten up and not say anything, or do we educate as to the dangers that accompany such free flowing information? If we don't speak up, where does it stop? I agree 100% that a lot of it stems from a simple lack of understanding, or as they discussed in the podcast, the importance of self and the importance of turkeys are out of balance. Are you a good steward that is responsible or is your self worth more important? At this point there are various reasons many share information.....lack of understanding or arrogance, to name a couple. One can't be fixed, but maybe the other can. I do know if we don't voice concerns and try to educate, it will only get worse, to the point that no one will be pleased with.