If you were not able to get in at daylight to locate birds on the roost, but could get in at about 8:30 or 9:00, where would you start and what would be your game plan? I would assume at that point, you are just trying to walk and call to strike up a bird?
My 1st objective would be find a good listening place. Preferably elevated an listen.
Either run and gun and try to strike one or find some fresh sign and sit and call.
So much depends on your terrain, how large an area are we talking, 20 acres, 500 acres?, any ag fields around, steep ravines/hollows...I would seek high ground first for listening and casting out owl calls...patience
If I was going in mid morning, I would sneak into a good area(hub were some ridges come together, ag field, etc) and sit and do some occasional calling while listening for a bird to get fired up to make a move on. Turkeys seem to almost always be on the move...
The two answers above mine I like a lot. A huge amount of planning for this is gonna depend on available acreage to hunt. I primarily turkey hunt 30ish acres. My only option at this point is to slip into a known strut zone and hope a gobbler is already there, or hope that I can call one into it.
If I have enough room, run n gun. If you don't have access to a lot of space the decision is made for you.
I can recall at least two times when I entered a woods to look for mushrooms around mid-morning, heard a gobble, backed out, and came back the next day with my shotgun and harvested the gobbler. Having said that, to me the most important thing with a mid-morning hunt is to spend more time listening that moving so that you don't unknowingly bump a gobbler. Move slow...listen a lot. You may need to return early the next day and set up near the location that you heard the gobbler and just wait for his appearance. I probably would not call until he appeared unless to draw him into shotgun range.
Start with a locator call (crow or whatever your flavor). He might be closer than you think.
Quote from: btomlin on April 13, 2021, 10:04:39 AM
If I was going in mid morning, I would sneak into a good area(hub were some ridges come together, ag field, etc) and sit and do some occasional calling while listening for a bird to get fired up to make a move on. Turkeys seem to almost always be on the move...
This is what I would do. If they're henned up they may not gobble. If it's on smaller acreage I'd be more inclined to sit and wait. I'd try to slip to the middle of the property so that you're calling is more likely to be heard across the entire property. Like others have said, it depends on the size and layout of the property. Getting them to answer you is a crap shoot. Where I hunt you mostly hear gobbling on the roost and I have seldom heard them gobble anywhere around here during the day. If one gobbles here after 8:00 AM that's golden.
Most gobbles I hear mid mourning and later aren't the rip roaring gobbles you hear on the roost or shortly there after. If your moving about when a tom gobbles like this most likely you won't hear him. A lot of times it's just one maybe 2 gobbles spread out over a period of time. Gets even tougher to hear them when the woods green up. If your intently listening you can hear these gobbles.
Run and gun and hopefully the turks are nearby. Hard to say how much ground turkeys can travel in like close to 3 hrs. Its pretty well light out at 6 AM here in Pa. :firefighter:
Depends on the area, how well I know the are and how much I know of what the birds are doing.
Some areas I will run & gun (which is my favorite way to hunt). I might stop in prime spots for 20 minute periods calling occassinally.
After 10 am, if I am able to strike up a bird, I figure I have a darn good chance at him... I'd rather hear one bird fire up at 11 am, than 20 on the roost all henned up.
Well i did it today it has been really cool down in the south so i thought i would sleep in and go after it warmed up, i went to one spot and nothing then another around mid day, lots of sign, 8 dusting spots in a 20 yard area, call like every 10 or so minutes, nothing, at 2:00 i had enough and pulled my hat off and facemask and glanced behind me, gobbler was looking at me at 35 steps! Make some kinda of sound to let me know you are there..
That has happened to me also the older you get trying to pick up the spittin and drummin its hard on old ears. :firefighter:
As others have stated, there are lots of factors to consider in your decision-making process. I personally prefer the "run & gun" approach, but that is contingent upon a few things.
The size of the area you are able to hunt is obviously a key consideration. Very small properties are less compatible with "R&G" style hunting tactics than larger areas. Tailor your tactics to fit the area you are hunting.
Your familiarity with the property you are hunting is another consideration. Hunting someplace where you are familiar with the habits and patterns of the turkeys would mean using a different approach than hunting a place that you do not know well. Taking a WAG (wild-a$$ guess) in hunting an unfamiliar area is generally a poor strategy. Taking some time to assess the area and conditions is usually a better strategy than walking into an unfamiliar woods and randomly plopping your butt down somewhere and hoping a gobbler shows up.
Another consideration is the turkey density in an area relative to its size. Hunting an area where turkeys are pretty uniformly distributed across the landscape requires different tactics than hunting a large area where turkey flocks might be miles apart with few or no birds in between. It seems pretty obvious that you are less likely to kill a gobbler where they aren't than you are where they are. ;D
Finding gobblers is much easier when you are in the woods when they are most likely to be gobbling. That is, when they are "on the roost". If at all possible, be out there at that time. If not, try to assess the habitat and the habits of the turkeys you will be hunting as best you can,...and fit your hunting tactics to that assessment. :icon_thumright:
Replying to the OP rather than subsequent posts. A friend...and very successful turkey hunter...is NOT an early riser. He generally hits the woods around 8:30-9:00. His success over the years is easily equal to the early risers.
On late morning and afternoon hunts, I usually run and gun. Move slow and call and listen every couple hundred yards. Seems like you have to be in their little "bubble" to respond most of the time for me. Just make sure when you call to be near a big tree to sit by. Sometimes they are just over the hill and come running.
As many have said, a lot of turkeys die later in the morning. However if given the option I am still out at daylight if only to confirm there is a gobbler in the area.
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Quote from: Happy on April 29, 2021, 06:12:53 PM
As many have said, a lot of turkeys die later in the morning. However if given the option I am still out at daylight if only to confirm there is a gobbler in the area.
Yup,....and there are places where that confirmation is absolutely essential! Around these parts, stepping into the woods mid-morning and assuming there is a gobbler within earshot,...or further,...is usually a really big mistake! :anim_25:
I have killed more gobblers later in the morning(after 9am) than early(daylight to 9am)morning. Run and gun on big expansions of public land late in the morning.
I think going in around that time is fine. But I only really do that if I know the location already has birds. If not, I need to be there in the AM to confirm that.
Obviously if there's not birds there then all the calling and covering ground won't mean a thing.
I do prefer to be there at sun up, but don't mind the 9am shift either. I'll do that when I need a rest from waking up early.
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Quote from: Happy on April 29, 2021, 06:12:53 PM
As many have said, a lot of turkeys die later in the morning. However if given the option I am still out at daylight if only to confirm there is a gobbler in the area.
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I'm with Happy on this. How I approach it, though after days on end its hard on the body.
One thing to be careful about trolling mid-day, not unusual to have one hammer your call and be standing there in just a few minutes when you get inside their bubble. Always be ready for a fast set up.
My favorite time to go in
It's so easy to leave at 9 bc he's henned up and Bojangles starts sounding real good around that time. 50% of the time I'll run into birds while walking out.
No such thing as going in late. Especially when the boys telling u that "u are late" are at bojangles bc they're empty handed
I don't move around at all....have several areas I hunt from 500 ac. to as small as 30 ac. On these parcels I have hunted for years and know the lay of the land and where birds are likely to be at different times of the day and on into the season. Know all the hangouts, strut zones, and just always seem to know where I want to be each day...just luck some days and some days not. I get in most days at few minutes before light and move very little, call very little, and am most times seeing birds on up in the morning and early afternoons. Have killed many at 7:00 looking for that hen he just heard and probably most around 10:00 to 12:00 after hens have left him and he getting lonely....my favorite time. Don't know the times they gobbled at first light and heard me softly calling....and showed up at 10:00 or after looking me... lot of sitting but go home with him over my shoulder. I don't like to bump birds and don't call much....both of these cases only educating an old gobbler. Nothing against run and gun if you young and enjoy that. I just like sitting and bring him in to my sit up and playing the game with him.
I understand hitting the woods later in the morning IF a guy can't be there at daybreak,...and I also agree that often times, you are likely to find a willing gobbler a little later in the morning. However, the idea of passing up being in the woods as they wake up and all the wondrous things that occur during those moments,...well, that's just foreign to me. I don't really care if I kill that gobbler as he comes off the roost at first light, but I sure as heck want to be there to hear him, and maybe see him, when he is getting ready to do that! To me, THAT is the essence of spring gobbler hunting.
In over five decades of doing this, I have never voluntarily not been in the woods at first light. I can guarantee that for the remaining years I have to do this, I will never, ever, voluntarily not be in the woods at that time. If I am ever not sitting in the woods at daybreak when spring gobbler hunting, it will be because I was not physically able to get there. Killing a gobbler at that time is not all that important to me. I know that I may well have a better chance of killing one a little later on,..but being out there with him when he wakes up IS that important to me!
Quote from: GobbleNut on March 25, 2022, 08:47:18 AM
I understand hitting the woods later in the morning IF a guy can't be there at daybreak,...and I also agree that often times, you are likely to find a willing gobbler a little later in the morning. However, the idea of passing up being in the woods as they wake up and all the wondrous things that occur during those moments,...well, that's just foreign to me. I don't really care if I kill that gobbler as he comes off the roost at first light, but I sure as heck want to be there to hear him, and maybe see him, when he is getting ready to do that! To me, THAT is the essence of spring gobbler hunting.
In over five decades of doing this, I have never voluntarily not been in the woods at first light. I can guarantee that for the remaining years I have to do this, I will never, ever, voluntarily not be in the woods at that time. If I am ever not sitting in the woods at daybreak when spring gobbler hunting, it will be because I was not physically able to get there. Killing a gobbler at that time is not all that important to me. I know that I may well have a better chance of killing one a little later on,..but being out there with him when he wakes up IS that important to me!
Amen to that. Gobblenut never has a bad post. He's smarter than he looks
The OP said that he could not get in at day light. I would think he had appointments that kept him from getting there at sunrise. So anytime you can get there would be a great time to be there.
I'll say your more likely to kill a turkey after 9:00 than before. If you know a general area where there's turkeys, then go there.
I take my kids to school every morning so I don't have the luxury of being out at daylight. I've been forced to hunt the 8:30 Tee time the past several years and it hasn't slowed me down one bit. I killed two hammer last year on hard hunted Pa gamelands and most hunters were back in their trucks when I was going in.
Get one to gobble and try to kill him. That's the plan every time I leave the truck.