I have a couple of trumpets that I may let go to fund another project, but I'm not sure what they're worth.
Buice 5.5" Rosewood
Buice 6" Macassar Ebony
Both have basically sat on the shelf since I bought them. Push in mouth pieces.
Less about what it's "worth," and more about what someone will pay, especially amidst the current trumpet craze. Personally if I were selling I'd list them on eBay with a bottom of $350 each and see where they go. Hell, you might get $600 out of one the way those listings have been going and given people's now now now attitudes with regards to lists.
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Well said.
Quote from: gobblers roost on March 08, 2021, 11:26:32 AM
Ebay rips you off . Better to sell them for the true value here.
Call Billy he can tell u what they sell for.
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He would pay a 12.5% sellers fee on eBay. So long as each auction breaks $400 odds are he'll make more there than what he would here even after paying the fees. At $400 on eBay he'd clear $350 each which is what I think he could ask and get here fairly quickly. But considering what some of the trumpets have brought lately on eBay he may very well bring a good bit more than what they're "worth."
But who knows, some folks on here may give him more than that. Could always ask it and see what happens.
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I can tell you that because of the amount of money people have been getting and asking for his calls Mr. Billy is raising his prices. He should be the one that is actually should be profiting off his work.
Quote from: davisd9 on March 08, 2021, 01:14:08 PM
I can tell you that because of the amount of money people have been getting and asking for his calls Mr. Billy is raising his prices. He should be the one that is actually should be profiting off his work.
Talked to Mr. Buice this morning. He's very much aware of the money his calls are demanding on various secondary markets. If there is a profit to be made on a call, it should be made by the maker.
I have also talked to another maker recently and this subject came up. I'm not quoting what they have said but basically they aren't trying to price the average turkey hunter out of their calls but they also aren't building them so someone else can profit off of their work. Some may disagree as that is just capitalism at work. I'm not faulting someone for selling a call especially if they aren't being used. I do think it's misleading to ask a callmaker to build a call with the intent to profit off of it.
What is happening is the collector/ hunter is going to price themselves out of purchasing calls. I do`nt blame the call maker but the purchaser! The purchaser is going to price a person of average means out of any custom call. Look at the dramatic price increases in the past 10 years!
Quote from: turkey stew on March 08, 2021, 01:55:16 PM
What is happening is the collector/ hunter is going to price themselves out of purchasing calls. I do`nt blame the call maker but the purchaser! The purchaser is going to price a person of average means out of any custom call. Look at the dramatic price increases in the past 10 years!
Great post and the hunters are being priced out of the market.
If the callmaker raises his initial asking price, the secondary market value will increase as well. Net benefit is more money in the callmaker pocket, but it doesn't solve the problem of over-priced calls in the secondary market, demand is demand.
Can't apply logic nor reason to demand.
Mr. Buice most certainly should increase the price of his calls. His name and the reputation of his calls and the subsequent following has increased the value, which is a great thing. That's what a callmaker should dream of happening. But to act like the owner of a call shouldn't profit off an increase of value that takes place over the course of ownership is absurd. Sell me y'all's flattops for what you paid Billy. Sell me that 1988 Cody slate for $15 or whatever they paid back then, or maybe $20 for that Cost box they got off Neil in 1978. Now I know the intent of this conversation is with regard to people who are ordering, receiving the call, then immediately turning around and selling that call at a higher value to people who aren't patient enough to endure the wait list, but that's not the case of this posting and question and for the most part that doesn't happen too often. He asked the value and truthfully he can likely get substantially more than he paid at the time. If that's an ethical qualm for someone, hell, sell it cheap. Sell it for what you paid. I'll buy that 6" ebony right now for $250.
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I've always felt that the maker should be making a profit, not the second hand seller. The second hand seller didn't do anything!
Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 02:42:31 PM
I've always felt that the maker should be making a profit, not the second hand seller. The second hand seller didn't do anything!
If he's not making a profit then he should've long ago upped his prices (he is making a profit; certainly not all that he could, but a profit nonetheless and he set that price). But with regard to appreciation, there's not another product on this planet that carries that expectation. Houses. Guns. Cars. Paintings. Land. Baseball cards. You name it.
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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on March 08, 2021, 02:50:20 PM
Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 02:42:31 PM
I've always felt that the maker should be making a profit, not the second hand seller. The second hand seller didn't do anything!
If he's not making a profit then he should've long ago upped his prices. But with regard to appreciation, there's not another product on this planet that carries that expectation. Houses. Guns. Cars. Paintings. Land. Baseball cards. You name it.
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I think that you maybe misunderstanding what I'm saying. The call maker deserves the profits, not the second hand seller. Yes, the call maker sets the price and then the second hand seller makes a 200% profit.
Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 02:59:59 PM
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on March 08, 2021, 02:50:20 PM
Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 02:42:31 PM
I've always felt that the maker should be making a profit, not the second hand seller. The second hand seller didn't do anything!
If he's not making a profit then he should've long ago upped his prices. But with regard to appreciation, there's not another product on this planet that carries that expectation. Houses. Guns. Cars. Paintings. Land. Baseball cards. You name it.
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I think that you maybe misunderstanding what I'm saying. The call maker deserves the profits, not the second hand seller.
Good callmakers eventually see an increase in value for their calls. I'd say yours will do the same. Even outside the major collector calls think about the Brad Roberts pots or the Clint Corder pots or whoever. Those calls sell on here all the time for higher than what people bought them for and they're worth it. To try to convince this person that the value of the call is what they paid is dishonest. It's worth more. And every person in this thread knows that. Like I said, I'll pay him $250 for the ebony 6" right now and I surely won't resell it, but if he lists it on eBay he'll easily get double that.
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Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 02:59:59 PM
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on March 08, 2021, 02:50:20 PM
Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 02:42:31 PM
I've always felt that the maker should be making a profit, not the second hand seller. The second hand seller didn't do anything!
If he's not making a profit then he should've long ago upped his prices. But with regard to appreciation, there's not another product on this planet that carries that expectation. Houses. Guns. Cars. Paintings. Land. Baseball cards. You name it.
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I think that you maybe misunderstanding what I'm saying. The call maker deserves the profits, not the second hand seller. Yes, the call maker sets the price and then the second hand seller makes a 200% profit.
Following that logic, fifty years ago Ferrari should have been slapping $850,000 on their Daytona window stickers.
The maker cannot control the secondhand market. Demand is demand, you can't apply reason or logic and that's why a production box call from Quaker Boy or K&H push pin prices are netting $100 or more. None of that makes any sense.
Only way for the callmaker to capture that secondhand market value is to stop taking individual orders, and stop using a list. When a call is ready, the maker offers it on ebay and buyers pay what the market bears and they feel is fair.
That will put those calls out of reach for the average hunter, and probably double the value of the secondary market over what it is today as that price accommodates the new and significantly higher initial price tag. I don't think anyone wants that to happen.
I hear you, but I'll never say that the second hand seller deserves more than the call maker.
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Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 02:59:59 PM
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Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 02:42:31 PM
I've always felt that the maker should be making a profit, not the second hand seller. The second hand seller didn't do anything!
If he's not making a profit then he should've long ago upped his prices. But with regard to appreciation, there's not another product on this planet that carries that expectation. Houses. Guns. Cars. Paintings. Land. Baseball cards. You name it.
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I think that you maybe misunderstanding what I'm saying. The call maker deserves the profits, not the second hand seller. Yes, the call maker sets the price and then the second hand seller makes a 200% profit.
Following that logic, fifty years ago Ferrari should have been slapping $850,000 on their Daytona window stickers.
The maker cannot control the secondhand market. Demand is demand, you can't apply reason or logic and that's why a production box call from Quaker Boy or K&H push pin prices are netting $100 or more. None of that makes any sense.
Only way for the callmaker to capture that secondhand market value is to stop taking individual orders, and stop using a list. When a call is ready, the maker offers it on ebay and buyers pay what the market bears and they feel is fair.
That will put those calls out of reach for the average hunter, and probably double the value of the secondary market over what it is today as that price accommodates the new and significantly higher initial price tag. I don't think anyone wants that to happen.
Excellent answer. The deep pockets will control the market and the call maker will be happy until there is a deep recession!
Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 03:20:11 PM
I hear you, but I'll never say that the second hand seller deserves more than the call maker.
I don't disagree. Only one way to solve that problem though and the prices most of us out of the market as the first owner.
Not sure why someone who sells a call immediately after buying it from the callmakeer expects a 200% profit.
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Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 03:20:11 PM
I hear you, but I'll never say that the second hand seller deserves more than the call maker.
I don't disagree. Only one way to solve that problem though and the prices most of us out of the market as the first owner.
I hear you, but the call maker is being screwed.
With the way the current housing market up here has gone this house we got for $150 is probably worth $225, but I'd feel bad selling it for that, you know, because I didn't build it.
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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on March 08, 2021, 03:40:04 PM
With the way the current housing market up here has gone this house we got for $150 is probably worth $225, but I'd feel bad selling it for that, you know, because I didn't build it.
You do know that's different, reports come out every year on inflation per area. My message is about second hand sellers who turn around within weeks and sell for a 200% profit.
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Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on March 08, 2021, 03:40:04 PM
With the way the current housing market up here has gone this house we got for $150 is probably worth $225, but I'd feel bad selling it for that, you know, because I didn't build it.
You do know that's different, reports come out every year on inflation per area. My message is about second hand sellers who turn around within weeks and sell for a 200% profit.
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And that's not what this person is doing. They stated clearly that they bought the calls and have owned the calls for years but have not played them and wish to sell them to use the money for something else. They asked the value and people are trying to convince him that the value is what he paid when we all know good and well that he can sell them for more than that, that the calls he purchased have appreciated in value as a result of Billy Buice's notoriety and the current trumpet craze. It's disingenuous to try and convince him they aren't worth more. Again, I'll pay him $250 for the 6" ebony if he feels morally conflicted but every single person in this thread knows he could get twice that.
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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on March 08, 2021, 03:51:42 PM
Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on March 08, 2021, 03:40:04 PM
With the way the current housing market up here has gone this house we got for $150 is probably worth $225, but I'd feel bad selling it for that, you know, because I didn't build it.
You do know that's different, reports come out every year on inflation per area. My message is about second hand sellers who turn around within weeks and sell for a 200% profit.
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And that's not what this person is doing. They stated clearly that they bought the calls and have owned the calls for years but have not played them and wish to sell them to use the money for something else. They asked the value and people are trying to convince him that the value is what he paid when we all know good and well that he can sell them for more than that, that the calls he purchased have appreciated in value as a result of Billy Buice's notoriety and the current trumpet craze. It's disingenuous to try and convince him they aren't worth more. Again, I'll pay him $250 for the 6" ebony if he feels morally conflicted but every single person in this thread knows he could get twice that.
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I do agree with appreciation, but where did he say when the call was built?
Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 03:58:44 PM
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on March 08, 2021, 03:51:42 PM
Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on March 08, 2021, 03:40:04 PM
With the way the current housing market up here has gone this house we got for $150 is probably worth $225, but I'd feel bad selling it for that, you know, because I didn't build it.
You do know that's different, reports come out every year on inflation per area. My message is about second hand sellers who turn around within weeks and sell for a 200% profit.
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And that's not what this person is doing. They stated clearly that they bought the calls and have owned the calls for years but have not played them and wish to sell them to use the money for something else. They asked the value and people are trying to convince him that the value is what he paid when we all know good and well that he can sell them for more than that, that the calls he purchased have appreciated in value as a result of Billy Buice's notoriety and the current trumpet craze. It's disingenuous to try and convince him they aren't worth more. Again, I'll pay him $250 for the 6" ebony if he feels morally conflicted but every single person in this thread knows he could get twice that.
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I do agree with appreciation, but where did he say when the call was built?
He didn't give a year. He said they've been on his shelf and he hasn't used them since he bought them and that's why he doesn't want them anymore.
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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on March 08, 2021, 04:02:16 PM
Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 03:58:44 PM
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on March 08, 2021, 03:51:42 PM
Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on March 08, 2021, 03:40:04 PM
With the way the current housing market up here has gone this house we got for $150 is probably worth $225, but I'd feel bad selling it for that, you know, because I didn't build it.
You do know that's different, reports come out every year on inflation per area. My message is about second hand sellers who turn around within weeks and sell for a 200% profit.
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And that's not what this person is doing. They stated clearly that they bought the calls and have owned the calls for years but have not played them and wish to sell them to use the money for something else. They asked the value and people are trying to convince him that the value is what he paid when we all know good and well that he can sell them for more than that, that the calls he purchased have appreciated in value as a result of Billy Buice's notoriety and the current trumpet craze. It's disingenuous to try and convince him they aren't worth more. Again, I'll pay him $250 for the 6" ebony if he feels morally conflicted but every single person in this thread knows he could get twice that.
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I do agree with appreciation, but where did he say when the call was built?
He didn't give a year. He said they've been on his shelf and he hasn't used them since he bought them and that's why he doesn't want them anymore.
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I know, it could have been 3 months ago.
Perfect example of what y'all are talking about playing out in real time on this forum right now:
Just listed:
Anthony Ellis trumpet
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?share_fid=17578&share_tid=102480&url=http%3A%2F%2Foldgobbler%2Ecom%2FForum%2Findex%2Ephp%3Ftopic%3D102480&share_type=t&link_source=app
Now in my mind he absolutely deserves what the call is currently worth and $300 seems fair. But I bet my a$$ it ain't cost $300 when Anthony made it. So in y'all's mind is this unethical?
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Thanks for the feedback.
Not that it really matters, but I've owned the calls for 3 years. I can't remember how much I paid for them from Mr. Buice, but I'm not sure I agree with the logic of selling them at my purchase price if the market price is something different. While I agree that callmakers should make profit on their calls, they don't have any influence on the secondary market. That's dictated by supply/demand.
With that said, I bought these calls to keep, and have numerous others that I will be keeping, BUT I have another project in mind and could use the spare cash. If that goes away, these will stay on the shelf. Sounds like the market is anywhere from $350 to $500 from what I've heard.
Quote from: ssramage on March 08, 2021, 04:12:21 PM
Thanks for the feedback.
Not that it really matters, but I've owned the calls for 3 years. I can't remember how much I paid for them from Mr. Buice, but I'm not sure I agree with the logic of selling them at my purchase price if the market price is something different. While I agree that callmakers should make profit on their calls, they don't have any influence on the secondary market. That's dictated by supply/demand.
With that said, I bought these calls to keep, and have numerous others that I will be keeping, BUT I have another project in mind and could use the spare cash. If that goes away, these will stay on the shelf. Sounds like the market is anywhere from $350 to $500 from what I've heard.
$350-$500 easy with the potential, given the current craze, for substantially more. And you shouldn't feel bad at all.
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Quote from: ssramage on March 08, 2021, 04:12:21 PM
Thanks for the feedback.
Not that it really matters, but I've owned the calls for 3 years. I can't remember how much I paid for them from Mr. Buice, but I'm not sure I agree with the logic of selling them at my purchase price if the market price is something different. While I agree that callmakers should make profit on their calls, they don't have any influence on the secondary market. That's dictated by supply/demand.
With that said, I bought these calls to keep, and have numerous others that I will be keeping, BUT I have another project in mind and could use the spare cash. If that goes away, these will stay on the shelf. Sounds like the market is anywhere from $350 to $500 from what I've heard.
You should reread what I said. I agree with appreciation. Appreciation doesn't occur within weeks or a couple of months. If you have had the call for years then yes appreciation is a factor.
Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 04:20:22 PM
Quote from: ssramage on March 08, 2021, 04:12:21 PM
Thanks for the feedback.
Not that it really matters, but I've owned the calls for 3 years. I can't remember how much I paid for them from Mr. Buice, but I'm not sure I agree with the logic of selling them at my purchase price if the market price is something different. While I agree that callmakers should make profit on their calls, they don't have any influence on the secondary market. That's dictated by supply/demand.
With that said, I bought these calls to keep, and have numerous others that I will be keeping, BUT I have another project in mind and could use the spare cash. If that goes away, these will stay on the shelf. Sounds like the market is anywhere from $350 to $500 from what I've heard.
You should reread what I said. I agree with appreciation. Appreciation doesn't occur within weeks or a couple of months. If you have had the call for years then yes appreciation is a factor.
Of course it can. It can happen overnight. People flip houses everyday. It can happen by the minute. It's literally what day traders do for a living. People find deals every single day and sell them at a profit.
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Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 04:20:22 PM
You should reread what I said. I agree with appreciation. Appreciation doesn't occur within weeks or a couple of months. If you have had the call for years then yes appreciation is a factor.
Value is fluid. If a buyer wants to pay $500 for a call that's three weeks old to jump the wait line, then that call is worth $500.
Stocks vs. Turkey calls, not the same. You guys are grasping at straws.
I deal in both, totally different!
I hope the old boy posts them calls on eBay and I hope they go for three times what he paid. Hell I hope he gets a thousand dollars apiece. And when I croak off I hope my wife gets the same or more.
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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on March 08, 2021, 04:52:20 PM
I hope the old boy posts them calls on eBay and I hope they go for three times what he paid. Hell I hope he gets a thousand dollars apiece. And when I croak off I hope my wife gets the same or more.
Okay!
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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on March 08, 2021, 02:50:20 PM
Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 02:42:31 PM
I've always felt that the maker should be making a profit, not the second hand seller. The second hand seller didn't do anything!
If he's not making a profit then he should've long ago upped his prices (he is making a profit; certainly not all that he could, but a profit nonetheless and he set that price). But with regard to appreciation, there's not another product on this planet that carries that expectation. Houses. Guns. Cars. Paintings. Land. Baseball cards. You name it.
We left out Bob Dixon Vests. One on EBay now with one day left, price is $1575.00. Unreal....supply/demand/frenzy
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Quote from: Tom007 on March 08, 2021, 05:49:44 PM
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on March 08, 2021, 02:50:20 PM
Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 02:42:31 PM
I've always felt that the maker should be making a profit, not the second hand seller. The second hand seller didn't do anything!
If he's not making a profit then he should've long ago upped his prices (he is making a profit; certainly not all that he could, but a profit nonetheless and he set that price). But with regard to appreciation, there's not another product on this planet that carries that expectation. Houses. Guns. Cars. Paintings. Land. Baseball cards. You name it.
We left out Bob Dixon Vests. One on EBay now with one day left, price is $1575.00. Unreal....supply/demand/frenzy
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Like I said before, reread what I wrote before.
Quote from: Tom007 on March 08, 2021, 05:49:44 PM
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on March 08, 2021, 02:50:20 PM
Quote from: C. Brumfiel on March 08, 2021, 02:42:31 PM
I've always felt that the maker should be making a profit, not the second hand seller. The second hand seller didn't do anything!
If he's not making a profit then he should've long ago upped his prices (he is making a profit; certainly not all that he could, but a profit nonetheless and he set that price). But with regard to appreciation, there's not another product on this planet that carries that expectation. Houses. Guns. Cars. Paintings. Land. Baseball cards. You name it.
We left out Bob Dixon Vests. One on EBay now with one day left, price is $1575.00. Unreal....supply/demand/frenzy
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And good for that seller! Ain't his fault people willing to pay something crazy like that. From a callmaker standpoint they've got multiple options: 1) grin and bear it with humility and pride; 2) up the prices to reflect the current market value; 3) cut off your list, make calls one off, and auction them yourself; 4) request from buyers that if they ever decide to sell to allow you to buy it back first (I've had makers tell me this); or 5) go all Frank Cox soup Nazi and blacklist people who try to sell on the secondary market. Makes no difference to me but whining ain't a good look on anybody.
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I love or i mean hate the mention of LFC on here!
Quote from: 3bailey3 on March 08, 2021, 09:10:49 PM
I love or i mean hate the mention of LFC on here!
At least there's no confusion about where he stands on the issue.(https://media1.giphy.com/media/dBZb8nAfLfOZ8B0CHA/giphy.gif)
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it's no soup for me!!