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A well known fact is that back in 2008 we started oldgobbler to help showcase callmakers and thier artwork to the masses via the internet - this site is in a way dedicated our American Turkey hunting Culture.

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Matt Fulkerson Hen Box, I just retired after 23 years has a U.S Army Special Forces (Green Beret) NCO. Matt made me this box with the Special Forces emblem on it. Great guy to talk to and great callmaker. Almost nervous to take it to the woods this year but it sounds to good not to. Let me say I may never call in a turkey with this call (that won't happen) it  is the meaning behind it for me.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210228/b697730e1f08bbc6c5ff3213e4437dbe.jpg)

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My own black walnut with slate, made for my son, killed a few birds with it. Made with just a hand drill and router, no sound board, slate cut from a step. Proud moment when I killed 1st bird with it.  Rakkin that's a very special box, go kill a bird with it then  retire it to display case.

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This is simple for me. Old Gobbler Gaboon Ebony Push Pin. I am on the list from Shannon and looking forward to one of his Snakewood push pins. In the meantime, I lucked out on EBay and landed this one. Game changer in my Arsenal. This is always the call I start with, and mostly use on my hunts. The clucks, purrs, yelps are tough to beat. I did practice, and continue to practice with this call. This is one of his older calls, it does not have the titanium plate on the bottom of the paddle like he uses now. This call sounds great, all turkey. I like the fact I can have the gun up and ready operating this call with one hand on the ground along side of me. It has been extremely deadly for me, if I could only keep one call, this is it. Great thread, be safe...

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Quote from: Old Gobbler on February 28, 2021, 08:50:56 AM
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Matt Fulkerson Hen Box, I just retired after 23 years has a U.S Army Special Forces (Green Beret) NCO. Matt made me this box with the Special Forces emblem on it. Great guy to talk to and great callmaker. Almost nervous to take it to the woods this year but it sounds to good not to. Let me say I may never call in a turkey with this call (that won't happen) it  is the meaning behind it for me.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210228/b697730e1f08bbc6c5ff3213e4437dbe.jpg)

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Beauty, congrats and thank you for your service.....

My Cody World Class Slate is pure Turkey, 25 years and counting!!

It's a Killer, love me a slate call.

Watkins Bloodwood over Wormy Butternut is my all time for 2 reasons. The first is because I sent this piece of Butternut to him and secondly, the call flat out works. This box has solicited responses from many birds along the east coast and has been the demise of many. This is my go to. Below are a few kills with it over the years
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This one by Preacherman, Walnut over Cedar has been used to harvest 7 toms in the last 3 seasons, and called in over 15 toms not harvested because I had no more tags :). It has such a unique sound.

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Without question my favorite is the Lynch Jet Slate that my dad bought me. The call was purchased in 1968 at the local barber/sports shop.Turkey always loved the sound of this caller.

This is my favorite, an all cedar longbox. It was made from a piece of wood that I thought was destined for the scrap pile due to too much sapwood.  One of those calls that turkeys love to talk back to.

For me it's a David Halloran Purple Heart and cedar box from 2014. It's probably called as many or more turkeys than all my other calls combined. Extremely versatile call.

Quote from: MK M GOBL on February 28, 2021, 09:36:42 AM
My Cody World Class Slate is pure Turkey, 25 years and counting!!

It's a Killer, love me a slate call.

I have to agree with the World Class Slate for me also. It was the first really good call I owned and mine is a little older than 25 years. I know I paid $25 for it.
No telling how many birds it's accounted for, but it's many. She's retired now in a place of honor.

How do you know you have a killer turkey call? Literally every time you see or talk to the guy who made it, he offers cash to buy it back. That is this call. It has aged perfectly, the range and sounds the box produces are amazing.

Ralph Snodgrass made only three of these long boxes with a maple and persimmon wood combination, the persimmon he cut himself from his property along with the help of an old turkey killer from WV. I was rummaging through Snozz's travel case and found this long box. More like this long box found me.

Been hunting this box for 20 years now. Couldn't begin to count the gobbles this box has struck, nor the turkeys called to the gun both spring and fall seasons for me and others. It it the ultimate calling machine and I know its rails and paddle as well as my own living room.

Me running it is one thing, but when Snodgrass gets his hands on it, this thing flat walks the talk. Hard part is making Ralph give it back LOL, he reaches for his money clip instead.

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The first turkey call I ever bought, Lynch 101 box call made in Liberty, Ms. I cut my teeth with this call. Although I don't carry it much anymore it is my favorite call. It can make any sound you would need to kill a turkey in the right hands.

Easy one to answer LYNCH BOX CALL

Persimmon Hill anodized aluminum in walnut pot. It'll flat call birds. Not sure what they love about it, but it doesn't matter really!


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Primos Heartbreaker box call I have had for almost 25yrs.  Have been in the custom call game for only 4 or 5 years, so all the gobblers I called in prior to were with that box.

lynch's box call I got it about 30 years ago it still sounds great it was my first call I got I use some every season not as mush scents I started use mouth calls I like them better it keeps my hands free and on my gun ...

Bloodwood and black limba short box. This call won first place at the Mountain State Call Competition and I bought it back thru the auction. Multiple birds in multiple states have fallen because of it. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210301/171e4584a027f717bd2965e62990a226.jpg)

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This is my kind of post! I won't post pictures or tell the call or maker because he didn't want it out there. To my knowledge the call maker built this one that I happened to get a hold of and a brother for himself because he liked it so much.

Now aside from that one it would be my 1992 Cody World Class Slate. She has a permanent place in my first pot call pocket.

No pictures of the Cody as it is 2.5 hours away at the moment but I love seeing everyone else's!

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Quote from: Old Gobbler on February 28, 2021, 08:50:56 AM
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This should be interesting --Shannon

Matt Fulkerson Hen Box, I just retired after 23 years has a U.S Army Special Forces (Green Beret) NCO. Matt made me this box with the Special Forces emblem on it. Great guy to talk to and great callmaker. Almost nervous to take it to the woods this year but it sounds to good not to. Let me say I may never call in a turkey with this call (that won't happen) it  is the meaning behind it for me.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210228/b697730e1f08bbc6c5ff3213e4437dbe.jpg)

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Awesome thanks for your service

I have an original Knight & Hale Ol' Yeller slatek with the green plastic pot. Took several with that call. Saw one on eBay go for over $100.00 just recently. If a man knew what to buy 20+ years ago, he could be rich. Think I gave less than $20.00 for it new. You would think someone would bring them back as much of demand as they must have?????

It's a Charlie Trotter trumpet that I refuse to take a picture of because I don't want to ever see another one like it That said, it's full of turkey and all weather and will be buried with me when I croak.


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My all time favorite would be my SCotts Cutter made by the late Jack Scott. It was my first custom call that I ever purchased. I played a ton of them at Jacks booth that day back in 2010, and he was very patient with me before and helpful with me before I finally decided on this box  It's made from wormy chestnut, that he got off of a 100 plus year old cabin in North Carolina.  I treasure this call because Jack was not only a terrific call maker ,  he also worked for the DNR and was very involved in capturing and restocking of wild  turkeys throughout GA back in the day. Jack is no longer with us and I am glad I had the privilege of meeting him and owning one of his boxes. It's my absolute favorite and I will never part with it.

Tube call made by a friend in N Georgia that has been the demise of a buncha gobblers


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Lynch's world champion box, (rubber bands missing) for many years, DH Crystal Mistress slowly catching up...

I have a couple Irvin Whitt prototype field grade box, Billy Buice single end dial tone.

Got the lynch box back 1981 for my birthday   Me and my dad called up and killed lots turkey with that box call  fall and spring back 90s sometime shoot one jumped up broke the top rail call lol  still used it after that sill sounded ok.   I used a 870 20ga with full choke hunt turkey not because it was the thing !! that's all I had at the time lol  my just have take that call and find some number 4 high brass go kill one (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210303/e20221c9b32b5059faebcccb97170908.jpg)
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Don't hunt these anymore but I should. Lynch 101 and Ben Lee gobble box. My dad bought them both for me.

Ben had a Turkey seminar locally in the 80's. I remember him gobbling on that box to this day.
He signed it for me.
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Quote from: perrytrails on March 04, 2021, 04:37:50 AM
Don't hunt these anymore but I should. Lynch 101 and Ben Lee gobble box. My dad bought them both for me.

Ben had a Turkey seminar locally in the 80's. I remember him gobbling on that box to this day.
He signed it for me.
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I picked up one of those Lee boxes. It sounds awesome. Comparable to my Alabama Lynch which has a unique sound, all turkey....

I've got a Twisted Sister I purchased from David back in 2013. It has called in more birds than any other call I own which has given me a lot of confidence in it. It's still the first call out of my vest every season.

My absolute favorite is my Grandfather's handmade long box he made in the 40s. He was an amazing outdoorsman and passed when I was only 3 years old. It doesn't sound like a turkey really today but to know he held this call in his hands...
I've said for years I would love to take it and his Model 12, I also have and give them a go.
No call means more to me!
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Billy Buice Stabilized Buckeye Burl trumpet

Father's Day gift from my daughter in 2014. Her and my wife went to My Billy's house and she hand picked this trumpet. She liked the camo look of the wood. I've killed several birds with the trumpet, but it spends most of the time put up, not because I don't use it but because I am afraid I will break it.

Quote from: paboxcall on February 28, 2021, 01:15:08 PM
How do you know you have a killer turkey call? Literally every time you see or talk to the guy who made it, he offers cash to buy it back. That is this call. It has aged perfectly, the range and sounds the box produces are amazing.

Ralph Snodgrass made only three of these long boxes with a maple and persimmon wood combination, the persimmon he cut himself from his property along with the help of an old turkey killer from WV. I was rummaging through Snozz's travel case and found this long box. More like this long box found me.

Been hunting this box for 20 years now. Couldn't begin to count the gobbles this box has struck, nor the turkeys called to the gun both spring and fall seasons for me and others. It it the ultimate calling machine and I know its rails and paddle as well as my own living room.

Me running it is one thing, but when Snodgrass gets his hands on it, this thing flat walks the talk. Hard part is making Ralph give it back LOL, he reaches for his money clip instead.

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Great call right there. I believe Ralph has mentioned it in our conversations over the years.

I heard it was only out on a lease, which expires the beginning of April

Quote from: crow on March 04, 2021, 10:06:33 PM
I heard it was only out on a lease, which expires the beginning of April

True, April of 2521. Got some time with it yet.

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Quote from: crow on March 04, 2021, 10:06:33 PM
I heard it was only out on a lease, which expires the beginning of April

True, April of 2521. Got some time with it yet.

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Well, guess I had better plant some persimmon seeds

Supreme pure death pot

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How do you know you have a killer turkey call? Literally every time you see or talk to the guy who made it, he offers cash to buy it back. That is this call. It has aged perfectly, the range and sounds the box produces are amazing.

Ralph Snodgrass made only three of these long boxes with a maple and persimmon wood combination, the persimmon he cut himself from his property along with the help of an old turkey killer from WV. I was rummaging through Snozz's travel case and found this long box. More like this long box found me.

Been hunting this box for 20 years now. Couldn't begin to count the gobbles this box has struck, nor the turkeys called to the gun both spring and fall seasons for me and others. It it the ultimate calling machine and I know its rails and paddle as well as my own living room.

Me running it is one thing, but when Snodgrass gets his hands on it, this thing flat walks the talk. Hard part is making Ralph give it back LOL, he reaches for his money clip instead.

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Great call right there. I believe Ralph has mentioned it in our conversations over the years.

Nice call there by one of the best and a nice man too.He made me a cedar/butternut long box 6 or 7 years ago. My favorite is Al Hobart's Silver Fox I've had for a number of years now. Got one at a Sportsman Show from Al himself. Aluminum in an English Walnut pot. Called in many birds with it over the years.

M.A.D Smokin Glass with acrylic striker its over 20 years old and glass came loss and Tad Brown told me what to do to bring it back to life.
Friend made me a double sided Glass and Slate pot call last year and it work fine on 7 long beards for me and friends. It likes a hickory sticker.
The call you have the most confidence in will work. Each one of us like different favorites.
Good luck, be safe and have fun.

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M.A.D Smokin Glass with acrylic striker its over 20 years old and glass came loss and Tad Brown told me what to do to bring it back to life.
Friend made me a double sided Glass and Slate pot call last year and it work fine on 7 long beards for me and friends. It likes a hickory sticker.
The call you have the most confidence in will work. Each one of us like different favorites.
Good luck, be safe and have fun.

There is a Smoking Glass on EBay right now, at least there was yesterday....

A Brian Mero trumpet.  Snakewood and some white stuff mouthpiece.   Took my first trumpet gobbler with it.  In fact I've taken several Easterns and a Rio with it.  I'm thinking how fun it will be to slam with one call.  Need a trip to Florida and upper mid west soon.

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Another is a hand forged copper and coin trumpet from Charlie Trotter.  I didn't know Charlie when I started to bid on a Facebook auction a friend was running to make money for a funeral for one of his friends.  I knew that I wouldn't win the auction but low and behold I did.  This trumpet was part of my winnings and then I learned of the magic that Charlie puts into a trumpet.  Yes, I do hunt with this call.  It sounds too good to leave at home.

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Ralph snooze mid paddle is a killer .Mac/  old Chestnut.
There I said it.lol

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Quote from: gobblers roost on March 06, 2021, 06:37:11 PM
Ralph snozz mid paddle is a killer .Mac/  old Chestnut.
There I said it.lol

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A close second place to the Snozz long box.

Early 1970's Liberty Mississippi LYNCH World Champion box call.  Like a fine instrument it just sounds better with age!

Here she is. A sister to the long box Mr Snozz hunts. Yellow poplar box with a nice thin walnut lid. Smoking call and the turkeys like it for sure. I put the call up for 2 years. This year it's going to see the woods. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210308/49c544d750a313bc63c2a2ccd0c95e86.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210308/aed72ec6a405ad59dd89c6466ff07fb2.jpg)

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Quote from: yelpy on March 08, 2021, 11:17:46 AM
Here she is. A sister to the long box Mr Snozz hunts. Yellow poplar box with a nice thin walnut lid. Smoking call and the turkeys like it for sure. I put the call up for 2 years. This year it's going to see the woods. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210308/49c544d750a313bc63c2a2ccd0c95e86.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210308/aed72ec6a405ad59dd89c6466ff07fb2.jpg)

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Looks like a beauty.....

Quote from: yelpy on March 08, 2021, 11:17:46 AM
Here she is. A sister to the long box Mr Snozz hunts. Yellow poplar box with a nice thin walnut lid. Smoking call and the turkeys like it for sure. I put the call up for 2 years. This year it's going to see the woods.

Nice. That is a killer box for sure.

I love seeing all the Snozz boxes, absolutely great guy

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Got the lynch box back 1981 for my birthday   Me and my dad called up and killed lots turkey with that box call  fall and spring back 90s sometime shoot one jumped up broke the top rail call lol  still used it after that sill sounded ok.   I used a 870 20ga with full choke hunt turkey not because it was the thing !! that's all I had at the time lol  my just have take that call and find some number 4 high brass go kill one (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210303/e20221c9b32b5059faebcccb97170908.jpg)
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My dad has an old Lynch fool proof that has called and killed many gobblers. It's been glued back together a couple times. He has Velcro sewn on his coveralls and on the bottom of the call so he could play it one handed. Still his go to call today!!!

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Billy Buice Stabilized Buckeye Burl trumpet

Father's Day gift from my daughter in 2014. Her and my wife went to My Billy's house and she hand picked this trumpet. She liked the camo look of the wood. I've killed several birds with the trumpet, but it spends most of the time put up, not because I don't use it but because I am afraid I will break it.

I love buckeye burl and that is one special call coming from your family

I've never owned a handmade or high dollar call in my life, but my favorite call is an older Lynch World Champion.  My neighbor died about two years ago.  His widow had an estate sale and I bought the old call in a box of his hunting junk.  To me is seems to have the best sound of any of by mass produced box calls.

I have an awful lot of favorite calls. Many go on the top shelf in my shop for special friends or gifts but, all time favorite has to be an all Sycamore short box I made called the Full Choke. One winter I practiced every day and night with it while staying at camp trapping.  Made sure it would never leave.

Gary Anderson Green slate/ Shedua pot

The best slate I have ever had, held, and ran. It will make a very realistic nasally hen sound unlike what I have heard in any other

Andy Kaiser double sided glass zebra wood.  Got it in 2004.
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Picture says it all, sounds as good as it looks.....

When my Uncle Don passed away several years ago,  I purchased the shop that he and my Dad had for years.   In the rafters were several planks of wood they had collected over the years.   I sent some Sycamore and Cherry to my buddy Frank Kruer III and had him make me a box call.  Frank doesn't like Cherry in a box call but he nailed this call in sound and looks.  The inscription means a lot to me.  Uncle Don taught me to hunt and was a second Dad to me.

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Marlin Watkins fiddle box hophorm over mineral poplar that call is the death call of many turkeys

I purchased a slate from Ted "Pete" Peters back in 1997 at an outdoor show in Ohio-fantastic craftmanship with both the pot & striker. He spent time showing me how to work the call-I was a brand new turkey "hunter" (neophyte)-he is straight up a great person. I still have that call.  Have brought birds into my lap with that call & is still the most cherished call I have. My technique of holding a pot and moving both the striker and pot in opposite directions is derived from that 5 minutes he spent with me. I am thankful.

Mine changes year to year but as of late it's been this Trotter switchback.
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I've got a lot of high end and custom calls but the one that never leaves my vest is my Enticer Next Generation Glass call. The birds absolutely love it and with the baffle on the back, you can close off holes in the pot and make a range of different tones and pitches. 100% waterproof, plays wet, and can call on the Corian pot also. A couple flocks of turkeys in that one 60$ call.


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GREAT thread !!!    :icon_thumright:

Bunch of awesome calls posted up, so far !!!

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This is a great subject to kick around. My favorite has been the Ol Yeller in a walnut pot. I have killed well past 25 birds with it. Very consistent as long as the operator is consistent. It is so soft and subtle for tree yelps and light puts at first light, and super clear with a good rollover later in the day. Bought a Red Slate from Preacherman last year that may outshine it. We'll see ......

My favorite is a Lonzo Goncalo Alves glass over glass call that I got from him in 2017.  It once slipped out of my lap and rolled 50 feet down a slope as I was working a bird.  I had to get a garden rake and scour the bottom of that drain to find it.  It just kept on rolling!  Luckily I found it and it has kept its position as my 'closer'.

This year I relied heavily on my Houndstooth batwing mouth call and a DH box call.

Ive only owned about 10 calls. Mostly pots and a couple boxes over the past 8 years. But I recently stepped my call game up and picked up a Fiddle Box from Marlin Watkins. It's Butternut with a Bloodwood paddle. Got it last week, killed my first (with this call) gobbler with it yesterday. It plays so easily. I mean boxes do anyway but alot of them are not forgiving but this thing just unlocks easy mode.

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Same here but tornado got mine in 2020 so I will just have to remember it . I bought it in liberty at the factory in the 82
It went on every trip I went until April 2020

I don't have a pic of them currently, but my absolute favorite is a Blodgett slate pot call I got from Harry in 2003. That along with a Walnut over Sumac box I made years ago. Those 2 calls never leave my turkey vest.