An e-mail from Copenhagen. I bought dip, not far left politics.
We invite you into our journey of reflection.
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To our dippers,
Copenhagen, Skoal and Red Seal stand in solidarity with the Black American community in the fight against systemic racism and injustice. Supporting our communities has always been at the core of our brands, and it always will be.
We believe in social and economic equality. The unjust deaths of Black Americans are heartbreaking. These Black Americans are our friends, our families and members of our communities – and they've endured injustices far too often and for far too long. It's time to acknowledge our country's history of racial discrimination, end it, and resolve never to repeat it. Altria and its family of companies have committed an initial $5 million to help address the systemic racism faced by Black Americans and advance social and economic equity.
Today, we honor June 19 (also "Juneteenth" or "Freedom Day") with a day of reflection. On this day in 1865, almost two and a half years after the Emancipation Proclamation, enslaved Black Americans in Texas were finally informed of their freedom. Yet 150 years later, systemic racism and discrimination still exist. So let us pause, reflect on our history, and challenge ourselves – how can we make a difference?
We invite you into our journey of reflection. We are committed to being a part of the solution and encourage you to do the same.
In solidarity,
Copenhagen, Skoal and Red Seal
I would appreciate any suggestion for a replacement.
I quit buying Skoal 20 yrs ago when they got expensive. I buy Grizzly fine cut wintergreen now. If you dipped Copenhagen, try grizzly fine cut natural.
Timer Wolf for me. I can buy a quart size container and refill my cans. The jug holds 12 cans worth and when it's empty I can always put nails or screws in it
Makes me think back to college and I had a teammate who dipped. Thought I would be cool and do some Red Man. Before I knew it I had sweats and I was hot one minute cold the next thought I was going to up chuck. Had to go home and lay down. Last time for that.
So wanting to end systemic racism and injustice is "far left" politics? Granted I don't think throwing money at the problem will fix anything but that email seems like a dumb reason to get all up in arms and switch brands.
Oh. I don't dip so can't help you with any suggestions either. Sorry.
That's great of Copenhagen to donate 5$ million dollars seems to me though it be a lot cheaper if black people would stop committing crimes and then resisting arrest. I've never been shot, tased or had a cop sit on my neck, but then again I don't commit crimes sooo.
Wow this is crazy. I stopped dipping 3 years ago when I had surgery. No one would bring a can to hospital or rehab. Even once home I couldn't legally drive for a bit but I'd say screw them. I'm not racist either but this is going too far. This morning I was eating aunt Jemima pancakes, that n uncle bens are changing because someone feels it's racist. This is horse poop.
I'm ready to start dipping again just not to buy skoal or Copenhagen
Sounds like a good reason to quit all together, if mouth cancer isn't enough now ya got to support terrorism. Take it as a sign and do your health a favor. I quit over 10 years ago and never looked back, it will improve your deer hunting for sure. Reward your self and buy turkey calls with the money you would have been wasting.
I been dipping a long time. Used alot of brands. Switched from copenhagen to red seal. Time to try another brand.
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Quote from: Big Guy on July 04, 2020, 06:08:52 PM
So wanting to end systemyic racism and injustice is "far left" politics?
What exactly, exactly is systemic racism? What exactly? I need to know more than leftist buzz words. What EXACTLY does that term mean? I ain't drinking the Kool Aid. Buzz words are a sign of ignorance if not, stupidity (for there is no known cure). Meanwhile the greatest civilization ever known to mankind withers on the vine.
How many black people kill white people in a year.?? We'll never know because it doesn't make good news.
Why is it we celebrate African American month and Latino,but not everyone elses??
They'll draw all this out until the election. Democrats want to wreak as much havoc as they can before the election and the black people don't even realize they are the pawn..
Imo most African Americans are African/White Americans now days anyway..Most of them i see and know don't think white women are racist or trying to oppress.
Quote from: silvestris on July 05, 2020, 12:55:37 AM
Quote from: Big Guy on July 04, 2020, 06:08:52 PM
So wanting to end systemyic racism and injustice is "far left" politics?
What exactly, exactly is systemic racism? What exactly? I need to know more than leftist buzz words. What EXACTLY does that term mean? I ain't drinking the Kool Aid. Buzz words are a sign of ignorance if not, stupidity (for there is no known cure). Meanwhile the greatest civilization ever known to mankind withers on the vine.
Here is a definition
It's called "systemic" racism because it's ingrained in nearly every way people move through society in the policies and practices at institutions like banks, schools, companies, government agencies, and law enforcement.
Now since a definition is probably all just "buzz words" to you, you will want an example.
For example, while redlining -- a multifaceted practice of denying financial, government and other services to people in certain neighborhoods or communities based on race or ethnicity -- is illegal, the homes in those communities, as a result of that long-standing practice, often haven't appreciated at the same rate as in white suburban communities, sociology and policy experts said. This means that, when people of color who live in redlined communities get ready to sell their homes, they receive far less in proceeds and have far less capital to leverage.
Additionally, these communities tend to have a lower tax base and as a result, their schools have fewer resources to educate children of color. That puts those communities' kids behind their white peers academically
Now I apologize for the copy and pasting but feel this could explain it better than I could. I dont know what it's like to be African American and the experiences they go through and I highly doubt you do either. The protests (both violent and peaceful) show that the IS an underlying issue with racism in this country and it needs to be dealt with. I don't have the answer, but something must change.
Some things that are happening are dumb. They protest demanding end of police brutality and Aunt Jemima changes her name.
Everyone having an equal footing in this country should not be a left-right issue. It should be a morality issue.
Amen. It's not the police that's the problem. It's the criminals and the radical liberal media.
I was talking to a customer at work ,while working on his truck. I'm ashamed of the comments that I heard from my coworkers and the way he was treated. On the flip side stop playing the victim.
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Here is another definition:
TERRORIST: a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
Quote from: fallhnt on July 05, 2020, 08:42:26 AM
I was talking to a customer at work ,while working on his truck. I'm ashamed of the comments that I heard from my coworkers and the way he was treated. On the flip side stop playing the victim.
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Im assuming you work in a shop with a high percentage of whites and probably in a white neoghborhood that were making the comments? What if you pulled your vehicle into a shop with a high percentage of African Americans that worked in the shop in a darker neighborhood.?
Doesn't make it right,but you'd be treated the same way if not beat up.
There is NO replacement for Copenhagen snuff or their long cut version. The cheaper, imported, flavored varieties is replaceable with just about any other name brand. For the price, Stokers used to be okay though it has significantly less nicotine IMO
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Quote from: ManfromGreenSwamp on July 05, 2020, 11:21:35 AM
There is NO replacement for Copenhagen snuff or their long cut version. The cheaper, imported, flavored varieties is replaceable with just about any other name brand. For the price, Stokers used to be okay though it has significantly less nicotine IMO
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Agreed...Copenhagen has been my brand for decades. I like many enjoy it and it always has satisfied..Lol..Until now anyway. Now when I buy a can or grab a pinch I get to think part of my money is going somewhere I don't want it to.
I use to thought it was bad when I went to work and had politics I didn't believe in shoved down our throats so I quit and have my own business. Now I can't even have a relaxing chew anymore. I've wanted to quit for a long time. I guess this will give incentive.
Quote from: 1iagobblergetter on July 05, 2020, 11:40:40 AM
Quote from: ManfromGreenSwamp on July 05, 2020, 11:21:35 AM
There is NO replacement for Copenhagen snuff or their long cut version. The cheaper, imported, flavored varieties is replaceable with just about any other name brand. For the price, Stokers used to be okay though it has significantly less nicotine IMO
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Agreed...Copenhagen has been my brand for decades. I like many enjoy it and it always has satisfied..Lol..Until now anyway. Now when I buy a can or grab a pinch I get to think part of my money is going somewhere I don't want it to.
I use to thought it was bad when I went to work and had politics I didn't believe in shoved down our throats so I quit and have my own business. Now I can't even have a relaxing chew anymore. I've wanted to quit for a long time. I guess this will give incentive.
I understand.
On a side note,
Many states offer free tobacco quit assistance. You can get nicotine gum sent to your door for no charge, it helped me. The Copenhagen, as you know, is strong stuff...not that you can't, but no need for trying to stop cold turkey .
Try the gum.
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The price here in Florida is stupid. We're currently over $8/can for Copenhagen.
If you're like me and go through a can/day, that's over $3,100/year. I enjoy it too ESPECIALLY chasing birds
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It's closing in on $8 a can in Iowa. I quit for 6 years using Chantix. Should have never started again years ago,but did. Missed the heck out of it for the first couple of years. I guess probably the whole time beings I started up again. Quitting alcohol 26 years ago was nothing compared to tobacco.
Organizations, etc. usually have a mission statement. Let me encourage you to Google "black lives matter mission statement" as a way of informing oneself of what the movement plans to accomplish.
Quote from: LaLongbeard on July 04, 2020, 06:14:40 PM
That's great of Copenhagen to donate 5$ million dollars seems to me though it be a lot cheaper if black people would stop committing crimes and then resisting arrest. I've never been shot, tased or had a cop sit on my neck, but then again I don't commit crimes sooo.
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Don't dip, but my favorite chew comes from Stoker's: Fred's Choice. I usually pick up a sack about squirrel season and finish it through turkey season. I don't generally chew the rest of the year. Something about riding dirt roads and listening to Jimmy Martin songs with a chew in just lets the stress go.
Hopefully Stoker's doesn't support racism as it practically doesn't exist outside groups who use it to their advantage like media, politicians and some minority groups. All this finger pointing over supposed racism serves only to divide us to keep us from fighting together.
Email them and let them know your displeasure. That's what I did. Probably won't do any good,but at least I was able to vent.
I'ved tried it all, copenhagen, skoal, grizzly, kodiak and timberwolf. Dipped for a long time and the best kind I chose was to quit! Cold turkey on November 9, 2014 and I haven't looked back.
my friends up in S.C. and myself started to be concerned about chewing about 30 yrs ago...it was as common as breathing air....one fellow really researched it with help from Duke University and found out that dipping was 100 times worst than chewing.....over the yrs. we all stopped.....I gave up smoking (3 pks @day) cold turkey but started to chew a little , then a lot......really hard to quit and after 15 yrs,I still yen for a pinch of Levi Garrett..
I dipped Copenhagen for years but finally quit.i can get around camp with some of my buddys that dip and can smell it and still want a dip.guess I will just drink cold beer for now.