I can't believe the amount of hunters on public land that try to sneak in on hen sounds. It's dangerous and PA hunters need to stop it. Learn your birds. A hen sound coming from the ground before fly down time isn't a roosted bird. Think of the other hunters out there and yourselfs safety not just about killing a bird.
Quote from: yelpy on May 26, 2020, 06:00:08 AM
I can't believe the amount of hunters on public land that try to sneak in on hen sounds. It's dangerous and PA hunters need to stop it. Learn your birds. A hen sound coming from the ground before fly down time isn't a roosted bird. Think of the other hunters out there and yourselfs safety not just about killing a bird.
I feel the same way. This same thing happened to me 6 times in the first 2 weeks of the season here in PA. I think the game commission needs to have hunters buy a turkey stamp in order for you to turkey hunt. Pa is one of the only states that doesn't have this. I think this will get rid of people walking in on people that are calling. I think most people don't have the slightest clue what they are doing out the in the turkey woods. They get their tag with their license, and the night before turkey season they are turkey hunters. With a stamp, I think alot of this will be eliminated.
Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk
X2
That guy that slips in on you is the guy that will end up shooting you. That is what scares me. People just get too excited and don't think.
Guys just have to think of that hen calling as a possible hunter and make the right decision. It's happening way to often.
Almost as bad as the guys that put out jake or gobbler decoys on public. Seriously, what are they thinking?
It's turkey season
Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
Quote from: Ihuntoldschool on May 26, 2020, 06:59:49 AM
Almost as bad as the guys that put out jake or gobbler decoys on public. Seriously, what are they thinking?
Decoys can be a dead give away that someone is hunting there. It can work both ways though.
I have heard of one incident that a guy shot a hunters decoy in pa. Yes I use hen decoys sometimes when I hunt. That decoy might have saved that hunters life, that the irresponsible hunter shot the decoy and not the source of the sound.
Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk
Quote from: turkeymanjim on May 26, 2020, 08:13:44 AM
I have heard of one incident that a guy shot a hunters decoy in pa. Yes I use hen decoys sometimes when I hunt. That decoy might have saved that hunters life, that the irresponsible hunter shot the decoy and not the source of the sound.
Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk
Its unfortunate guys don't think. They just want to shoot something. Unfortunately it was someone's decoy they walked in on. Luckily it wasn't the hunter. I sure would rather my decoy get shot. That is exactly what ruins hunting for guys who enjoy it. I'm getting to the point its not worth turkey hunting anymore on public property.
I don't see how buying a stamp will stop idiots or even slow them down lol. One of the reasons I hate seeing the "crawlers" on Utube the chances of sneaking or crawling up on a hen or Gobbler is slight at best but in certain circumstances it can be done. And when the utube hero's video themselves doing it every other hunt it convinces the average mouth breather that it's a legitimate hunting tactic and anyone can do it.So lacking ANY form of hunting or calling ability they do what their hero does and hit the ground to low crawl their turkey. Not only is the person hen calling in a dangerous situation the "crawler" is taking a chance as well. There are as many people that will shoot at movement as there are that shoot at sounds .
In my state, a few years ago, an off duty F&G CO was turkey hunting and a guy (can't really call him a turkey hunter), heard him calling, crawled up and shot his hen decoy. ::)
Quote from: yelpy on May 26, 2020, 08:05:12 AM
Quote from: Ihuntoldschool on May 26, 2020, 06:59:49 AM
Almost as bad as the guys that put out jake or gobbler decoys on public. Seriously, what are they thinking?
Decoys can be a dead give away that someone is hunting there. It can work both ways though.
You are looking at that through your perspective... Yep, if I see a set of decoys, I will avoid that area. But I think that there is a growing percentage of idiots that will sneak up on those decoys for "a closer shot at them."
What I am noticing, is that in all the hunting I do, the single largest growing population of the type of hunters, is the idiots.
Quote from: yelpy on May 26, 2020, 08:05:12 AM
Quote from: Ihuntoldschool on May 26, 2020, 06:59:49 AM
Almost as bad as the guys that put out jake or gobbler decoys on public. Seriously, what are they thinking?
Decoys can be a dead give away that someone is hunting there. It can work both ways though.
Perhaps in a field. But in the woods, people see what they think they should see. The following were both in PA:
Close friend had his inflatable jake decoy blasted by a guy who stalked into his big woods set up. Fortunately he was only peppered as the stalker was 30 yards from jake and my friend was 30 yards behind that. Could have been much, much worse.
Hunting with a friend on private ground bordering public, had a guy stalk into our set up at three quarter arms ready to blast a decoy. We yelled before he could shoot, and he turned and walked off down the pipeline back toward the public ground like he was on a mid morning stroll.
I stopped using decoys after those two experiences.
I learned a long time ago that when dealing with a large portion of the population,if the ears hear and the eyes see, the mind believes. Seems like there are more of these people showing up every year. And I'm not just talking hunting.
Quote from: paboxcall on May 26, 2020, 11:58:02 AM
Quote from: yelpy on May 26, 2020, 08:05:12 AM
Quote from: Ihuntoldschool on May 26, 2020, 06:59:49 AM
Almost as bad as the guys that put out jake or gobbler decoys on public. Seriously, what are they thinking?
Decoys can be a dead give away that someone is hunting there. It can work both ways though.
Perhaps in a field. But in the woods, people see what they think they should see. The following were both in PA:
Close friend had his inflatable jake decoy blasted by a guy who stalked into his big woods set up. Fortunately he was only peppered as the stalker was 30 yards from jake and my friend was 30 yards behind that. Could have been much, much worse.
Hunting with a friend on private ground bordering public, had a guy stalk into our set up at three quarter arms ready to blast a decoy. We yelled before he could shoot, and he turned and walked off down the pipeline back toward the public ground like he was on a mid morning stroll.
I stopped using decoys after those two experiences.
I wonder if one still gets "peppered" by the small TTS shot or if it is worse in your scenerio. That's what makes me nervous. I've been rained on in a dove field and it can sting...I'm guessing TSS "sting range" is way out there. :(
"I wonder if one still gets "peppered" by the small TTS shot or if it is worse in your scenerio. That's what makes me nervous. I've been rained on in a dove field and it can sting...I'm guessing TSS "sting range" is way out there."
That is one of the three reasons I refuse to shoot TSS.
We have the same problem with these want be turkey hunters , this year was worse because of people being off work.. lot more people who usually don't turkey hunt was showing up to get out of the house...
In reference to the peppered post by pa boxcall.
If the decoy was 30 and the hunter was 30 beyond that is 60. The current load I hunt with in my sp-10 is 2 1/2 ounces of #7 tss. At 60 yards being peppered with that would require a helicopter ride at best or most likely a stretcher to a slow ride in hurst. It really makes you focus on identifying your target and what lies beyond it. Way beyond it.
Quote from: Brian Fahs on May 26, 2020, 04:42:22 PM
In reference to the peppered post by pa boxcall.
If the decoy was 30 and the hunter was 30 beyond that is 60. The current load I hunt with in my sp-10 is 2 1/2 ounces of #7 tss. At 60 yards being peppered with that would require a helicopter ride at best or most likely a stretcher to a slow ride in hurst. It really makes you focus on identifying your target and what lies beyond it. Way beyond it.
Agree Brian. TSS changes everything.
This was probably 20 years ago and with #6 lead. One pellet did hairline crack the corner part of the lens of his glasses. Fortunately they were his prescription safety glasses from work and he happened to be wearing them.
Quote from: silvestris on May 26, 2020, 02:03:56 PM
"I wonder if one still gets "peppered" by the small TTS shot or if it is worse in your scenerio. That's what makes me nervous. I've been rained on in a dove field and it can sting...I'm guessing TSS "sting range" is way out there."
That is one of the three reasons I refuse to shoot TSS.
You refuse to shoot TSS because your afraid you'll shoot someone with it?
One thing you guys are forgetting is some States allow rifles for turkey hunting.
Quote from: bbcoach on May 26, 2020, 07:47:35 PM
One thing you guys are forgetting is some States allow rifles for turkey hunting.
Lord have mercy!
Here's a tip, when someone walks in on your decoy in the middle of the woods and loudly whistles to make himself know, how about a response!
Some moron in Indiana would not reply to me, I froze and loudly whistled 5 times, finally spotted the fool and walked out the way I came.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Even on private land, I had a friend come to my hen calling very late in the morning. Neither of us was aware of the other's presence. Each of us continued to respond to the other's yelping with more aggressive calling, hoping to drag in a gobbler. After about 5 minutes of this, out of the blue a couple of long beards came to investigate the situation and I got one of them. A few minutes later, my friend walked over the hill and congratulated me, my first indication that someone else was even in the woods. One of the commandants of gun safety is to know your target, which we both practiced on that day.
Quote from: bbcoach on May 26, 2020, 07:47:35 PM
One thing you guys are forgetting is some States allow rifles for turkey hunting.
Yes they do but florescent orange is a requirement and rifle use is in the fall season only.
Wv allows rifles in the spring and no orange required. I believe Virginia does also
Quote from: Ihuntoldschool on May 26, 2020, 06:59:49 AM
Almost as bad as the guys that put out jake or gobbler decoys on public. Seriously, what are they thinking?
Your thinly veiled jab at decoy use is painfully obvious. What are they thinking? Probably that they want to shoot a tom? Decoys are VERY effective and the masses know it, however stalking is illegal in most states...but there are violators everywhere. Do what you must but keep it legal.
There are quite a few that honestly have no business hunting. Either they have zero sense or have simply never been taught anything. That was abundantly evident in the Spring of Covid-19.
I agree with a required stamp to turkey hunt. We don't have one in Arkansas, but I think we need one. It would eliminate some pressure, and as said could eliminate some dangerous situations. It's not the solution, but could see it have at lease a little influence.
Advantages:
*Identify the actual number of turkey hunters in the state. Nothing more than a guesstimate right now.
*Generate $$ for habitat, etc.
Quote from: bonasa on May 29, 2020, 12:39:07 PM
however stalking is illegal in most states
actually its not. just a few, mainly the northeast.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on May 29, 2020, 06:23:31 PM
I agree with a required stamp to turkey hunt. We don't have one in Arkansas, but I think we need one. It would eliminate some pressure, and as said could eliminate some dangerous situations. It's not the solution, but could see it have at lease a little influence.
Advantages:
*Identify the actual number of turkey hunters in the state. Nothing more than a guesstimate right now.
*Generate $$ for habitat, etc.
Arkansas does have a voluntary one as of 2020. See link below:
https://www.agfc.com/en/news/2020/02/12/arkansas-turkey-stamp-promotes-habitat-conservation-and-awareness/
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on May 29, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: bonasa on May 29, 2020, 12:39:07 PM
however stalking is illegal in most states
actually its not. just a few, mainly the northeast.
Quote from: El Pavo Grande on May 29, 2020, 06:23:31 PM
I agree with a required stamp to turkey hunt. We don't have one in Arkansas, but I think we need one. It would eliminate some pressure, and as said could eliminate some dangerous situations. It's not the solution, but could see it have at lease a little influence.
Advantages:
*Identify the actual number of turkey hunters in the state. Nothing more than a guesstimate right now.
*Generate $$ for habitat, etc.
Arkansas does have a voluntary one as of 2020. See link below:
https://www.agfc.com/en/news/2020/02/12/arkansas-turkey-stamp-promotes-habitat-conservation-and-awareness/
Voluntary, but not required.
How would a stamp alleviate pressure?
I've bought stamps in numerous states and they aren't expensive!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: strum on May 26, 2020, 07:34:23 PM
Quote from: silvestris on May 26, 2020, 02:03:56 PM
"I wonder if one still gets "peppered" by the small TTS shot or if it is worse in your scenerio. That's what makes me nervous. I've been rained on in a dove field and it can sting...I'm guessing TSS "sting range" is way out there."
That is one of the three reasons I refuse to shoot TSS.
You refuse to shoot TSS because your afraid you'll shoot someone with it?
I don't shoot expensive TSS because I don't shoot one beyond 35 yards; TSS would not solve a problem I don't have. I am not concerned with shooting a person I can see. Now the person I can't see is a significant worry with every shot.