Sounds like he is going to make it.
https://www.wibw.com/content/news/Authorities-7-year-old-shot-in-hunting-accident-improving-569978221.html?fbclid=IwAR1m9R3SFtqtTGVFp5hJeq4tfFGZlAxfMXPyC_StsHARXCnIp9uWQz2Oy6A
That really pisses me off!! What kind of idiot, A - shoots a decoy, and B - shoots a kid instead? That idiot should be prosecuted for shooting the kid, and have his hunting privileges banned for life nationwide.
I once had not 1, but 2 idiots try to sneak up on my hen decoys. I saw them coming, so I whistled to them in a cadence that any sane person would know was a human. They stopped, looked around, then kept coming. They got in position, and started to raise their guns. I whistled again and they stopped again. Then they raised their guns again and took aim. Finally I'd had enough! I yelled at them, "Don't shoot my decoys!!" as I stood up. They quickly turned and beat feet out of there. Morons like that shouldn't have the right to hunt.
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This is my point about,fanning. It's probably safer than hunting in the woods,in a traditional way.
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Quote from: fallhnt on April 27, 2020, 11:46:00 PM
This is my point about,fanning. It's probably safer than hunting in the woods,in a traditional way.
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DSD Decoy, you can't be serious. Purposefully crawling behind the target of other hunters is safer than traditional hunting? You've been drinking some decoy Kool aid
There are some really really stupid people out there!
Quote from: RutnNStrutn on April 27, 2020, 11:16:43 PM
That really pisses me off!! What kind of idiot, A - shoots a decoy, and B - shoots a kid instead? That idiot should be prosecuted for shooting the kid, and have his hunting privileges banned for life nationwide.
I once had not 1, but 2 idiots try to sneak up on my hen decoys. I saw them coming, so I whistled to them in a cadence that any sane person would know was a human. They stopped, looked around, then kept coming. They got in position, and started to raise their guns. I whistled again and they stopped again. Then they raised their guns again and took aim. Finally I'd had enough! I yelled at them, "Don't shoot my decoys!!" as I stood up. They quickly turned and beat feet out of there. Morons like that shouldn't have the right to hunt.
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I hunt a National Forest in N.Fla and rarely use decoys for this reason. The stupidity is rampant. I was hunting by a paved road and watched a group of hens as they walked by me onto the hard road and then some goofball took a pot shot at them from the window of his truck as he drove by at 55 mph. He didn't even cut a feather, but I never saw those hens there again. Cured me of using decoys on weekends or holidays and hunting near roads.
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Wow! Prayers for the young man.
Always identify your target and beyond, it amazes me how often this rule is broken, responsible for about ever incident you see and it is the very first thing they teach you in hunters safety courses. Prayers for the youngster.
Quote from: Muzzy61 on April 28, 2020, 08:26:03 AM
Wow! Prayers for the young man.
Praying for full recovery!
Pretty hard to believe that the kid was "standing over the decoy" and the guy shot him. Surely there is more to this story than that. I suspect that as the facts come out, the circumstances will prove to be somewhat different than those outlined in this story. Maybe not,...but again, the story as related just does not add up to me.
Regardless, it just goes to demonstrate that ANY form of turkey hunting where the hunter is either visually or audibly imitating the game being hunted can be dangerous under a given set of circumstances. However you choose to hunt,...do it defensively and with a mind-set that there are folks out there that are capable of stuff like what happened here.
Quote from: GobbleNut on April 28, 2020, 08:48:32 AM
Pretty hard to believe that the kid was "standing over the decoy" and the guy shot him. Surely there is more to this story than that. I suspect that as the facts come out, the circumstances will prove to be somewhat different than those outlined in this story. Maybe not,...but again, the story as related just does not add up to me.
Regardless, it just goes to demonstrate that ANY form of turkey hunting where the hunter is either visually or audibly imitating the game being hunted can be dangerous under a given set of circumstances. However you choose to hunt,...do it defensively and with a mind-set that there are folks out there that are capable of stuff like what happened here.
I thought that sounded a little wonky myself.
This is another reason why I try to get as far away from paths and roads as I can. While it's possible that yahoos will go deep into the woods, statistically, they are more likely to be closer to the road.
I remember as a kid my dad finding a Pepsi bottle in the woods. He sat it up on a log about 30 yards away and the red, white and blue shined like a gobblers head. He was teaching me the dangers of having those colors in the woods during turkey season, but even though I was only an 8-10 year old kid, I have that vivid memory burned into my brain as it sank in what could have happened if I were carrying that drink and someone mistook it for a gobbler's head.
MAN WHAT A AS-HOLE TO SHOOT A DECOY WITH SOME ONE STANDING BY IT HE SHOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL THE BOYS MEDICAL BILLS AND LOSE HIS HUNTING RIGHTS FOR ABOUT 5 YEARS AND BE MADE GO TO A SAFTEY CLASS EVERY YEAR FROM NOW ON IF NOT HE SHOULD LOSE IS HUNTING RIGHTS FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE THATS WHY I DON'T USE A FAN. I HOPE AND PRAY THE BOY COMES OUT ALL RIGHT THATS A FINE WAY TO TRUN A YOUNG MAN AWAY FROM HUNTING THE REST OF HIS LIFE .THATS ALL UN CALLED FOR...
Hunt mostly central Fl and have two rules. One is no gobbler decoys on public land. Two is that we decided to do no fanning anywhere. Even on the tightly controlled private lands we hunt our cameras pick up the occasional unknown trespasser and FL still allows rifles for turkeys on private land. Crawling behind a waving fan seems like a kamikaze approach to turkey hunting. Don't need it.
So sad and no excuse for it. Also pisses me off that on the headline of the article they have a picture of a scary black "assault" pistol.
Quote from: Tomfoolery on April 28, 2020, 09:41:08 AM
So sad and no excuse for it. Also pisses me off that on the headline of the article they have a picture of a scary black "assault" pistol.
Yeah,...I notice that as well. Some folks just can't simply report a story without trying to make a political statement.
Quote from: GobbleNut on April 28, 2020, 09:56:06 AM
Quote from: Tomfoolery on April 28, 2020, 09:41:08 AM
So sad and no excuse for it. Also pisses me off that on the headline of the article they have a picture of a scary black "assault" pistol.
Yeah,...I notice that as well. Some folks just can't simply report a story without trying to make a political statement.
Gotta fit the narrative
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Prayers for the young boy , agree no excuse for this happening at all..
Quote from: Tomfoolery on April 28, 2020, 09:41:08 AM
So sad and no excuse for it. Also pisses me off that on the headline of the article they have a picture of a scary black "assault" pistol.
x3
10+ years back here in MN we had a guy shoot and kill his own 7 year old son that he "thought was a turkey." It turns out he was trespassing, and had drugs and alcohol in his system.
Maybe it is a reason to ban all decoys including fans and for parents to not include young kids in a big boys sport. Squirrels and rabbits were created for a reason.
Quote from: silvestris on April 28, 2020, 07:17:51 PM
Maybe it is a reason to ban all decoys including fans and for parents to not include young kids in a big boys sport. Squirrels and rabbits were created for a reason.
That's a tough call. Statisically hunting is safe. I would prefer that the perp pay a higher penalty then is customary. I know many parents get a great thrill teaching their children to hunt and hopefully the right way. In fact I beleive there is less violence hunting then on the baseball field (other than pulling the trigger).
Quote from: silvestris on April 28, 2020, 07:17:51 PM
Maybe it is a reason to ban all decoys including fans and for parents to not include young kids in a big boys sport. Squirrels and rabbits were created for a reason.
Just ban idiots
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Praying for the young mans full recovery this is why you shouldn't use decoys on public land.
If the story is true as told, ban that hunter for life. May set a precedent for others to pay attention to the 10 commandments of shooting, "know your target and beyond".
Quote from: silvestris on April 28, 2020, 07:17:51 PM
Maybe it is a reason to ban all decoys including fans and for parents to not include young kids in a big boys sport. Squirrels and rabbits were created for a reason.
I do not think it is a "Big boys sport" and it is not the fault of the children in these incidents. I take a lot of my friends kids to Hunters Safety Classes and the statistics prove it is the adults above 50 that tend to do most of the shootings if I remember correctly. I am awaiting a reply from a Hunters Safety Instructor to clarify that, I am sure it was that age or above though.
There have been 7 turkey hunting related shootings so far this season. 1 fatal. Years ago a guy stopped on the road and shot a buddy's decoy. He was yelling the whole time at the guy and he still pulled the trigger. This was on a hen decoy,the only one he had set up. When the shooting was over and the conversation started the shooter says "It's turkey season".
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I had a guy stalk my hen decoy a few years ago . Had I not stopped him he would have shot it. he said " I didnt think i could sneak upon a turkey" Sorry to hear about this young man. I cant wrap my mind around how anyone would make this error.
QuoteI cant wrap my mind around how anyone would make this error.
It's even harder to wrap your head around it when your laying in a E.R. and in a helicopter bleeding to death. I truly hope none of you ever experience it, it will never leave your mind. You'll relive it 10,000 times.
I hope the perpetrator gets a serious sentence and has to financially compensate the family. It doesn't always work that way though. It cost me over $20,000.00 in medical bills insurance never paid. I fought with them for a year over bills and it took almost two years to completely heal physically. Emotionally I have never totally gotten over it in 10 years.
QuoteI cant wrap my mind around how anyone would make this error.
It's even harder to wrap your head around it when your laying in a E.R. and in a helicopter bleeding to death. I truly hope none of you ever experience it, it will never leave your mind. You'll relive it 10,000 times.
I hope the perpetrator gets a serious sentence and has to financially compensate the family. It doesn't always work that way though. It cost me over $20,000.00 in medical bills insurance never paid. I fought with them for a year over bills and it took almost two years to completely heal physically. Emotionally I have never totally gotten over it in 10 years.
NO DAMN TURKEY IS WORTH RUINING SOMEONES LIFE OVER
This picture is about two weeks after I got home from the Hospital
Was your perp charged ? I hope so . Glad you recovered and I hope the boy shot will .
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Quote from: Sir-diealot on April 28, 2020, 07:55:45 PM
Quote from: silvestris on April 28, 2020, 07:17:51 PM
Maybe it is a reason to ban all decoys including fans and for parents to not include young kids in a big boys sport. Squirrels and rabbits were created for a reason.
I do not think it is a "Big boys sport" and it is not the fault of the children in these incidents. I take a lot of my friends kids to Hunters Safety Classes and the statistics prove it is the adults above 50 that tend to do most of the shootings if I remember correctly. I am awaiting a reply from a Hunters Safety Instructor to clarify that, I am sure it was that age or above though.
I did get a reply back, I was very surprised by the results, I wonder what changed it so much?
"Here you go Steven....ready....?Per the International Hunter Ed Association....average 1000 per year in US and Canada....fewer tha[n] 75 are Fatal.... 12%-15% of all Firearm related Fatalities or 1 in 4888. 20 Times more people die due to drowning. From 1993-2008 35,975 Firearm/Hunting or about 2400/year......91.8% were [Caucasian] age 24-44, and were Male....Is this what you were looking for....? I like doing research.....LOL"
Quote from: camotoe on April 29, 2020, 06:52:28 AM
Was your perp charged ? I hope so . Glad you recovered and I hope the boy shot will .
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X2. It would be hard to get back out again after that. My head would be doing as close to a 360 as physically possible whether I wanted to or not after that.
I do agree guys that mistake a human for a turkey or just shoot at turkey sound should never hunt again.
QuoteWas your perp charged ? I hope so . Glad you recovered and I hope the boy shot will .
No he wasn't. It's a sticky situation as the authorities originally blew it off as simply an accident (local police) and then they didn't get his name and he was gone. The hospital just called the city cops not the Game warden. It was a cluster muck, that I paid for.
1iagobblergetter,
If I even hear a call close to me anymore I get so nervous I just leave the area. It has ruined some hunts for me. I just can't stand to be around other turkey hunters. I hunt mostly private property that is highly restricted for access.
Just this season around here somewhere, don't know the details, but a turkey hunter was shot by another "hunter" at 7 yards with a crossbow. I just don't see how that could happen.
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Here's one my mother sent me on Facebook. The audacity of some people... I try to be pragmatic but I believe I'd see red if someone accidentally shot me then showed no remorse.
Thanks for sharing Delmar, it can't be overstated how much we need to focus on safety. I can tell you reading that story and seeing that picture shook me up, I wish I could just give the guy a man hug and sit down with him and assure him it'll be alright. He will relive that day every time he hears a story about an accident, but he will also have a testimony to share that may save a life. It literally brings tears to my eyes and I get the shakes from stories like this, but as he said God was and is with me and I have had a deeper appreciation for all the blessings I have had since. I'd also tell him to be prepared for the a holes who will make jokes about his incident, yeah there are people who do that sadly enough.
You have to identify your target before you press your finger on the trigger. As a game warden I had only three hunting accidents. Two the subjects were never found one I reconstructed the accident and it proved to be just that, an accident. The problem with turkey hunting is you can't legislate HOW you turkey hunt. When you hear a gobble and most of us will head towards the location, make a set-up and call the tom in. But there are some who will try and stalk the tom. The problem is the how do you differentiate between stalking and approaching for a set-up or ambush. You see the problem. You have to show intent to stalk. Ergo no statutes or regs against stalking. I agree when they are apprehended the book should be thrown at them, lock em up. We need to educate and not tolerate this activity among our ranks. When someone does we should exclude them from hunting with us, period. It is the only way they will learn. Unfortunately the only rule for many people that call themselves hunters it's the firstist and who gets the biggest or the mostest. We have to change that mentality. We have to do that and teach respect for the game we hunt. And most of all do not TOLERATE this BEHAVIOR within our ranks. My :z-twocents: worth.
Just glad the shooter wasn't using TSS.
Quote from: silvestris on April 29, 2020, 02:27:04 PM
Just glad the shooter wasn't using TSS.
I hear you brother!
Sad. Hope he makes a full recovery. I had duck decoys shot one while hunting. People are dumb.
very terrible for the young fellow. prayers full a full recovery. I personally know three different fellows that have been shot while turkey hunting and in every case the shooter (in his mind) was truly shooting at a turkey. One friend was shot walking down a dirt road about mid day and of all things, he was shot in the face. One was shot in the side and the other in the shoulder, neck and back of his head. All three still turkey hunt but they are more cautious than we could ever imagine.
Up to 8 now.
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Oh wow, I hope the young man is doing ok!!!! If anyone has an update on this story and the young guys condition I'd love to hear about it.
I hunt public land and am always so damn nervous walking out with a turkey in my vest and feathers sticking out. I always put on the blaze orange flag that snaps on the back of the vest and bring a blaze orange ball cap that I wear on the way out, but still . . . .
My 4 year grandson has been turkey hunting 2 times this year. family member held him behind action while his 14 year old sister was the shooter with another adult with her, no tent, no decoys. No shots taken and he had a BLAST and can't even imagine someone shooting him. I'm sure there are alot more details in this case that haven't been released. There was a turkey hunting accident in my county of MD on youth day this year I believe 2 juveniles were involved not fatal. I was familiar with several hunting accident investigations one of which a 12 year old son shot his father in the face blinding him in 1 eye. SAD VERY SAD hopefully the boy in OP will recover fully EVERYONE BE CAREFUL!
Another 7 yr old shot tday in WV
https://www.whsv.com/content/news/7-year-old-boy-recovering-after-being-shot-in-hunting-accident-in-West-Virginia-570094481.html
Quote from: nativeks on April 30, 2020, 09:57:31 PM
Another 7 yr old shot tday in WV
https://www.whsv.com/content/news/7-year-old-boy-recovering-after-being-shot-in-hunting-accident-in-West-Virginia-570094481.html
How in the &%$*^%%$ do you mistake movement for a turkey and shoot!!!
This drive me insane!! If I see movement I dont just shoot. I figure out what that movement is . And even if it is a turkey I dont go blasting away not knowing if its a hen,jake or gobbler. And ..oh yeah we suppose to shoot em in the head/neck area. That takes identification and positive aim.
there is no excuse for this what so ever. I hunt the Camp Creek area of Mercer County, WV and have ran across some doozies but to shoot anyone, much less a child, totally uncalled for, absolutely no excuse. Take their hunting rights for life along with all firearms plus jail time and a hefty fine. And if that's not enough, pay all medical expenses for the victim. I am friends with the DNR officer that patrols that area so I'll hear the results later on.
I don't get it. Need to implement some harsh punishments for the responsible culprits.
Quote from: mtns2hunt on April 28, 2020, 07:32:58 PM
Quote from: silvestris on April 28, 2020, 07:17:51 PM
Maybe it is a reason to ban all decoys including fans and for parents to not include young kids in a big boys sport. Squirrels and rabbits were created for a reason.
That's a tough call. Statisically hunting is safe. I would prefer that the perp pay a higher penalty then is customary. I know many parents get a great thrill teaching their children to hunt and hopefully the right way. In fact I beleive there is less violence hunting then on the baseball field (other than pulling the trigger).
Absolutely!! Come down on the people responsible, not the people who have nothing to do with it. That's like blaming law abiding gun owners for gun violence. The vast majority of gun violence is in the big cities, yet politicians want to ban gun ownership for all Americans. Address the problem, don't punish innocent people who had nothing to do with it.
The moron who shot the kid needs to go to prison, and have his gun rights and hunting rights revoked for life.
Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.
AGAIN JUST UNBELIEVABLE WHO TEACHES THESES PEOPLE TO HUNT SAD
A young boy was shot and killed May 1st too?
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Quote from: joey46 on April 28, 2020, 09:29:29 AM
Hunt mostly central Fl and have two rules. One is no gobbler decoys on public land. Two is that we decided to do no fanning anywhere. Even on the tightly controlled private lands we hunt our cameras pick up the occasional unknown trespasser and FL still allows rifles for turkeys on private land. Crawling behind a waving fan seems like a kamikaze approach to turkey hunting. Don't need it.
Mines #1 If I ain't dead and I'm able I'm going to shoot back in the name of self defense..
Quote from: strum on April 30, 2020, 10:33:08 PM
Quote from: nativeks on April 30, 2020, 09:57:31 PM
Another 7 yr old shot tday in WV
https://www.whsv.com/content/news/7-year-old-boy-recovering-after-being-shot-in-hunting-accident-in-West-Virginia-570094481.html
How in the &%$*^%%$ do you mistake movement for a turkey and shoot!!!
This drive me insane!! If I see movement I dont just shoot. I figure out what that movement is . And even if it is a turkey I dont go blasting away not knowing if its a hen,jake or gobbler. And ..oh yeah we suppose to shoot em in the head/neck area. That takes identification and positive aim.
Agreed. I won't even point my barrel in the direction of movement until I positively identify the target. I've only had other hunters come into my setup once and I'm glad I hold myself to that rule, otherwise I would've been pointing my barrel at a couple of teenagers.
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prayers for this young man. I had a friend get shot years ago twice with a bow. Two different men shot him at the same time because they saw movement in the brush once in leg and once in arm. He almost bled to death before he got to hospital. The men were charged but the judge said its not a crime to be stupid.
Really irritating
Quote from: guesswho on May 01, 2020, 08:31:41 AM
I don't get it. Need to implement some harsh punishments for the responsible culprits.
Shouldn't this culprit be personally liable?? He was def reckless and caused unnecessary injury. Hang em.
Quote from: silvestris on April 28, 2020, 07:17:51 PM
Maybe it is a reason to ban all decoys including fans and for parents to not include young kids in a big boys sport. Squirrels and rabbits were created for a reason.
Not sure how old you are but say it was an 21 year old child of yours or a 65 year old son of yours who has his own kids. Is that ok? I bet it'd still not feel great no matter how old the "child" to someone. This should never happen.
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Shouldn't this culprit be personally liable?
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The shooter is always subject to a civil lawsuit.
Quote from: silvestris on May 02, 2020, 07:36:24 PM
Quote from: Bowguy link=topic=98234.msg968509#msg968509 date=1588443950
Shouldn't this culprit be personally liable?
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The shooter is always subject to a civil lawsuit.
That is true you can bring a lawsuit, but if the defendant doesn't have big insurance and doesn't have a large financial profile, no lawyer will take it. if they do, you will pay them more than you get. In many, if not most cases you are stuck with swallowing hard, paying the bill and forgiving the shooter and moving on. The forgiving is as much for your healing as anything, but it's also what a Christian does. Believe me when your the victim of a hunting incident you are in for a lot more pain and suffering then just the wound from the shot. Your looking at loss work time, healing and rehab, emotional stress, Financial fights, legal proceedings, ridicule (yes you will be questioned about could you be at fault ) and more. I am not speculating, I know all this as a fact. Most of you know why.
I am not a "fan" of reaping.... But reaping and decoys should be made illegal due to "fair chase," if such practices are to be made illegal.
I am NOT a fan of trying to regulate society into safety... Such regulation is a great reason/excuse to regulate gun ownership...
If we ban everything that has the potential to end in death or injury due to the involvement of stupidity, most everything I do would likely be made illegal....
Stories such as this make me equal parts angry and sad... Thoughts and prayers to the boy and family...
While there is never an excuse for accidently shooting someone... We do not know the circumstances of the shooting. Maybe they had the boy pushing around a realistic decoy & fan for all we know.... Maybe someone "snuck" the decoys, and took a shot.
Either way, unless there is a really good excuse for the shooter, I would be in favor of very strict penalties (as to licensing) for such shootings.
I have certainly been fooled (briefly) by decoys before. I have bumped birds I thought were further than they were (the woods can make sound deceiving)... Put that combination together with someone either pushing or sitting behind a realistic decoy, and there will unfortunately be some accidents... Add to that people trying to "sneak" birds, throw in a pinch of stupid, and it is amazing we do not see more accidents.
Not sure of the details in this situation but most instance seem to have experienced hunters as the shooters. The mind is a powerful thing and I assume people are "seeing" what they want to see?
Outlaw gun hunting and calling turkeys. If outlawing something is the answer.
My buddies hen turkey decoy got shot while he was yelling at the guy. Idiots response was, "It's turkey season ." Well,no its not. It's gobbler season.
A guy told me once, "I had a sound shot." I never knew what that was. My buddy explained to me,he was shooting at SOUND. WTF?
I've said it before. You can hunt turkey with no decoys and still get shot. People will stalk the calling.
I was raised a bowhunter. Obviously I need to see a target animal. I DON'T understand for the life of me how shooting someone while hunting can happen.
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Quote from: Dtrkyman on May 03, 2020, 02:23:53 PM
Not sure of the details in this situation but most instance seem to have experienced hunters as the shooters. The mind is a powerful thing and I assume people are "seeing" what they want to see?
There is absolutely NO way experienced hunters are shooting people. The shooters are absolutely, got to kill something inexperienced IDIOTS.
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