Some scum bag from Bay County Florida drove over to Leon County. My brother and his grandson are parked on a dead end road in a 500,000 acre forest. It ends in a river swamp. The guy pulls up and says he is going to the end. My brother tells him that is where he is headed (like a half mile at most) but he does not drive all the way because he could drive by birds. The scum bag says he hunted there yesterday and is not going to argue and drives right on by.
If you read this, you are trash and are very lucky there was a young boy with my brother. Way to teach a kid ethics . On public land if someone beats you to the spot, go find another. This is a massive tract of land.
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Ya. It seems like every man is for himself at times,but then once in awhile someone will surprise you.
500,000 acres though I wouldn't have let it deter me. I would think you could find another good spot in there and should have enough hunting for 2 guys... ;D
I hate that happened and have had it happen to me. I don't know the situation where your brother was at but in some cases I see both sides. Not talking about your brother but how much public area can one claim by being first. Some places are obvious where you plan on hunting, others may have access to a couple thousand acres behind a parking spot. In situations like that I think a little more detailed conversation about where one plans to hunt is in order. Sometimes there's room for multiple hunters behind a parking spot or walk in area. The joys of public land.
Public land. Just the way it goes. No sense getting bent out of shape. Belongs to everyone and they'll hunt is as they see fit. Been there before. Guys come walking right up on you with little regard. Just the way it goes.
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I have hunted NF in VA and arrived first at a gate leading into the area. I have been out of my truck getting gun and gear when on more than one occasion a hunter drives up, jumps out and flies around the gate. You'd think they would come over and at least ask where I intended to go beyond the gate. I began going earlier and getting into the mt. well before daylight. I don't run in on guys. If another hunter beats me to an area, I just go somewhere else that I know about nearby. Ethics/respect is missing in most people today, IMO.
I'm sorry for the negativity your family went through. Very aggravating. Consideration for others is the thing parents need to teach kids. Everyone says talking is the most important thing in life. It's not, it's consideration. Without it you're only mouthing words.
Now the bs of such idiots shows complete lack of class. The second I even read your header I was already angry for you. New folks heed those words and live by em. If you are not there first, GO ELSEWHERE!! Reread that if you must cause sometimes folks just don't know but e consideration it'd be pretty obvious what to do.
Years back I had scouted the local refuge and locates some pretty consistent birds. Opening morn my daughters n I arrive, gear up and start walking in. Another truck pulls up w some chubby spoiled, selfish looking kid in the passenger seat. Idk he just looked that way. They pull in. I approach the truck as the guy starts getting ready. I mention where I'm going and it's maybe 70 acre finger surrounded by private land. The guy asks how far I'm going in??
What?!!!!!!!!!!
Anyhow I explain it's not big enough for two set ups and I was here first. He says well he doesn't know where else to go. That's his problem and I explain I really don't wanna get in a calling contest w him. I'll tell him where I'd go if not here and where I'm gonna head to if he tries walking in on me. I let him know I'd never do that to him though.
He grudgingly takes the place I send him and that morning my older daughter kills a bird.
Last year I had my buddy's daughter, 10 years old. The night before I had visually watched some gobblers I saw daily from my kitchen window cross some farm fields n head towards their every night it seems roost by this sycamore tree.
As they neared it I drove home cause I could see them through binoculars from my porch. Suddenly a truck pulls near them pointing.
I drive down n let the fellows know I'll be there in the am. The other guy says well he has permission too and he's also trying to get his friends kid a bird.
It's club property. I inform him I'm a paying member, that should matter and he prob won't beat me. He gets enraged n says he'll go down n bust em. My eyebrows raise. He leaves. Apparently he didn't do anything. The kid missed a boss bird twice the next morning.
Yesterday I saw the farmer, mentioned what happened last year. He said the guy only had deer hunt permission. He wasn't supposed to be there turkey season. Forgot to mention the farmer was my landlord too.
Robbing kids from memories so their spoiled, selfish kids can make their own is poor parenting imo. Doing it for yourself as an adult is classless
To make matters worse a fellow on here was supposed to call initially for the kid by my old house. The kids dad decides he's hunting by me and my friend informs him I was planning on hunting there and he won't go there too. It's not right.
Dad says ok we're not gonna go on account of rain anyhow. This is a week before the hunt. He was going by supposed forecast.
What the guy did was get someone else to try calling for him in the spot he knew I was going than argue w me about it. How dirty is that and what is this moron teaching his kid.
Typical public land dirtbag. The part I don't understand, what did having the young boy in the truck have too do with your brother doing nothing?If the kid is old enough to kill a turkey he's old enough to watch a A$$ whooping....regardless of which side won. I always laugh when someone says "IF" I didn't (fill in the blank with excuse) I'd do such and such. If the situation requires action does it matter who's with you , what your wearing, were your going , or what time it is lol.
At least your brother wasnt in the middle of working a bird. About 10 years ago i was sitting in my blind on the edge of a field with my 13 year old niece trying to get her a bird. We were facing the field waiting for the birds to come out into it but they started looping around behind us towards a different field on posted property. We turned around and got setup and started working the birds in when i hear hen noises behind me. I peak out the window and here comes another hunter calling and sneaking down the finger row of trees right past us. Obviously he could here me calling and the birds gobbling and he knew i was in there but completely ignored me. He walked right past the blind and went down in the woods and sat down about 60 yards in front of my blind and started calling as if i wasnt even there
I hunt primarily public mountain ground in a couple states in the northeast.
Parking first at a gate or popular pull off means nothing to most guys I encounter. I learned a long time ago to be in the woods set up stupid early. Even then I fully expect to be encroached upon once it gets to gobbling time. Going deep only seems to make it worse.
I have come up with creative ways to kill highly pressured birds in the areas I hunt. All involve a lot of time in the woods.
I see where your comimg from But if he parked a half mile from the end of public road and planed hunt their I think I would have driven to the end and got out , not park 1/2 mile and try deter any one else driving down said road ,, unless iam reading that wrong
Quote from: M,Yingling on March 15, 2020, 12:33:54 PM
I see where your comimg from But if he parked a half mile from the end of public road and planed hunt their I think I would have driven to the end and got out , not park 1/2 mile and try deter any one else driving down said road ,, unless iam reading that wrong
Kinda wondering the same thing . Also how far back from the road the area goes?
Have a backup plan and teach your kids the right way. It sux that it happened, but we are always going to have scumbags around. Taking the high road isn't easy, but your brothers grandson will see the right way to treat people. I wish them luck. Al Baker
I posted that this AM when I was pissed at the scum.
There are 10 roads along this highway that all dead end in a river swamp (maybe more). It is a huge area-probably 15+ miles of huntable swamp. The area at the top of this side road is very thick and not really huntable at first. There is probably 100 acres in there that can be realistically hunted, some is surrounded by private. It is too small for 2 groups to hunt. Or you can drive a 1/2 mile down the main road to the next pull off and hunt the next area. Some of the side roads have plenty of room for multiple groups, but this one does not and the guy knew it. Anyone that has been there before knows exactly what they are doing if they drive past a truck at this spot (and he said he was there the day before). There is only one small stretch of swamp you can hunt there.
We did have a backup plan (probably 5 really, it is public after all) and I was the main backup plan. I did hear a bird gobble and knew exactly where he was, so I called my bro and great nephew and they came around. We raced down and started calling to him, he answered once. Soon enough a boat came down the river and stopped. We then heard him calling to the bird as well. He had no idea we were there and we called for a while, but the bird shut up, they may have spooked him. So we left after calling a hen up to us and tried several other spots - got no love at any of those, but found plenty of sign. This is one youth that is not limited to youth weekend, because both me and my bro would much rather call one in for him than ourselves. He had a blast, heard another bird across the river answer our calls too. He enjoyed himself and we did not let him know what we thought of the other guy and all was well with him which is the real object of the hunt for us.
Good luck to everyone. I still hope the kid kills one but I hope the guy never hears another turkey ever. :toothy9:
Quote from: M,Yingling on March 15, 2020, 12:33:54 PM
I see where your comimg from But if he parked a half mile from the end of public road and planed hunt their I think I would have driven to the end and got out , not park 1/2 mile and try deter any one else driving down said road ,, unless iam reading that wrong
I agree with Mike , 500,000 ac. i think , there was plenty of room for you both. Turkeys move around during the morning feeding and do what turkeys do. I've killed more birds mid-morning after most people have already left , because they don't bring any snacks or water with them hunting and get hungry and want that sausage or ham biscuit form the local diner or drive - Thru.. LOL...
I could see why you would think that but this road dead ends in to the river swamp. There was plenty of room for him to go elsewhere. He knew what he was doing. I hope he sees this post but I doubt he would be a member here.
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To bad for a young hunter to have to experience such! BUT, public land in Florida has more idiots on it then anywhere I have ever been!!
Sad but the times we live in now. Most everyone who hunts or has hunted public has had something similar happen to them. I too have had guys pull up behind me and exit the truck at a trot passing me. I miss the days that only a handful of people would battle heat , snakes and mesquitos to chase these crazy birds. Use to have alot of public land to roam and seeing someone else was rare. Turkey hunting is cool now. Back to the topic , hunting brings out the worse and shows a persons true colors.
Ugly Americans. I have seen this too. You did all the work, they want to reap the harvest. I honor someone that is ahead of me at a spot. I always put myself in their shoes and think that if they beat me there, I will yield to them till another day. Just my way of handling adversity. I am an old Hockey Player. Been through the worst Turkey hunting is my Shangrila. Be safe my friends......
We have all had it happen and everyone has those stories, but I would say 98% of my encounters with others are much more positive (turkey hunting). Not so with duck hunting though. Probably only 85% with that. A big part of that is I know a ton of folks in the three counties that surround me and if we don't know each other, we probably know someone that knows each other.
Like Raylon Givens said, "If you run into an a hole in the mornin, ya ran into an a hole. If you run into a holes all day, you're the a hole". Lot of truth to that too.
It's not only public land... I have access to a number of local farms and have kids out for youth season every year.
Talk about a dirt bag and no right to be there (truck parked), end of story we did a Run & Gun on a bird I spotted and the boy killed his turkey, dad was along to witness and a first for both!
MK M GOBL
Had trouble many years ago on public land in FL. Won't name the lake. We arrived and beached our whaler on a very narrow strip we had put birds to bed on the night before. Only room for a couple hunters. We were getting our stuff to hike in and set up when three major a holes showed up in an airboat. I could smell the booze at 5:00 am. Crazy loud etc etc. roared up on the beach with that abomination right next to us. We said hey guys cmon. We are ready to go and we're here first. They launched expletives about how it's "their spot" and we could go away or they'd sort the two of us out. So we did.. I let them get away from us and told my buddy to just chill a few minutes. We left to go hunt other land we were intending to rest that weekend.
I guess I should add that I pulled their bilge plug and took their plug wires. Stashed them in a cypress root. They'd find them if they looked hard enough and the channel is heavily travelled. Now If I'd had a youth with me I'd have turned it into a teaching moment and just left, but since it was just old Wayne and me well I just couldn't resist. We were laughing so hard we were like two bad kids in church waitin for momma to smack us. God wasn't too mad at me apparently. I killed my first two Osceola that week.
I hunt public a fair amount, have yet to have an issue with anyone. Last guys I walked in on way back in the timber in Missouri were really friendly and we had a nice chat before going our separate ways.
I had come up on them coming around a curve in a fire road, they were set up already, They gave me a whistle so I knew they were there and waved me over, I apologized and they said no problem. We had come in from opposite sides of the road and had no idea anyone else was there.
A little manners goes a long way!
Quote from: MK M GOBL on March 15, 2020, 09:16:58 PM
It's not only public land... I have access to a number of local farms and have kids out for youth season every year.
Talk about a dirt bag and no right to be there (truck parked), end of story we did a Run & Gun on a bird I spotted and the boy killed his turkey, dad was along to witness and a first for both!
MK M GOBL
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As others have already stated, there are differing ways at looking at this situation depending on each party's interpretation of the circumstances. The relevant points have already been made.
Here's a dilemma I will be facing in a couple of more weeks. I will be going to a public area in another state that I have never hunted before. It is a relatively small area with limited access points. It is also the only public area in a pretty large chunk of country.
From those access points, there are only a couple of different directions a person can go to from each. I fully anticipate I may run into a situation where I arrive at any of the access points and find a vehicle or two parked there. Hopefully, I will arrive in time to speak to the other hunter(s) and coordinate such that we will not interfere with each other,...but there is the real possibility I will not have a clue as to where the other folks might be.
My choices are going to be,... a) not hunt because other folks are there,...b) try to find a niche where I can hunt with minimal impact on any other hunter in the area. I will be driving ten hours to go hunt there. Guess which option I am going to choose?
If I encounter those circumstances, I AM going to go turkey hunting,...but I will do my level best to not interfere with any other hunter that might be in same area. Sometimes that is the best that a guy can do....
If there isn't more to the story, I'm not getting the dirt bag description. It sounds like your buddy parked a half mile from the end of a dead end access road on 500,000 acres of public land and felt at that point he had some sort of claim on the next half mile. Maybe I'm missing something. If the end of that road is a typical jumping off point, there is no way folks are going to not drive past him. I would immediately assume that he's hunting a bird closer to his truck, not claiming rights to everything past that.
Ahhh, public land. Everyone does what is right in his own eyes. Me personally, if I had rolled up and talked to you and we discovered we were both going to the same spot, I wouldve gone somewhere else. I'm also not gonna pretend that I haven't done some things that I would've done differently looking back on public land either. That being said, most experiences I've had with other hunters on public have been positive. You're always gonna have some negative ones. If you're gonna hunt public land, that's just how it's gonna be, because people aren't going to change. Shake it off and press on!
Had a spot a couple years ago where the guy put a sign up the day before the quota hunt that he was hunting down this road do not come down it .. I was not hunting that area but I thought it was pretty brazen .
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For me just being polite has worked fine with very limited exceptions. But those exceptions have been ugly and could have deteriorated. Only place I've had issues was in Florida and here in WV.
I have walked in on people and had them walk in on me. Usually ends amicably. Manners count a lot.
Quote from: rifleman on March 15, 2020, 08:48:41 AM
I have hunted NF in VA and arrived first at a gate leading into the area. I have been out of my truck getting gun and gear when on more than one occasion a hunter drives up, jumps out and flies around the gate. You'd think they would come over and at least ask where I intended to go beyond the gate. I began going earlier and getting into the mt. well before daylight. I don't run in on guys. If another hunter beats me to an area, I just go somewhere else that I know about nearby. Ethics/respect is missing in most people today, IMO.
Goes back to how one is raised, IMHO.
Quote from: Hobbes on March 16, 2020, 09:10:08 AM
If there isn't more to the story, I'm not getting the dirt bag description. It sounds like your buddy parked a half mile from the end of a dead end access road on 500,000 acres of public land and felt at that point he had some sort of claim on the next half mile. Maybe I'm missing something. If the end of that road is a typical jumping off point, there is no way folks are going to not drive past him. I would immediately assume that he's hunting a bird closer to his truck, not claiming rights to everything past that.
I guess I am not explaining this well enough. It dead ends into an uncrossable river. There is no jumping off point. It is bordered on the North by private land-nowhere to go that way, the west by the river, the east by a hard road. To the south is more swamp, maybe a half mile at most to the next road that cuts in to the river. There are 10+ more roads leading into the river swamp. Only a dain bramaged idjit would park at one of the roads and want to walk through the swamp to the next one north or south when there are access roads easily available. So you could only be hunting on the little 75-100 acre patch of woods.
More and more people, less land to hunt each year, less turkeys, etc... same ol story. We read many of these posts each year and how things used to be so much better.
It will just keep getting worse. That is unless nature unleashes a killer pandemic that wipes out a few billion people....oh wait...I forgot. :newmascot:
That makes a little more sense, but it's probably still unrealistic to expect folks to stop at his vehicle especially if they've been driving to the end. I'd have turned around after talking to the guy if I understood the layout, but most folks won't.
Lazy people. If there is a road, trail goat path anything they could possibly navigate a vehicle down, they are going to do it. ANYTHING too save a step or two. What I can't understand, what makes anyone assume a Gobbler isn't roosted along the road or trail, or within site of it. And we all know turkeys can't see or hear vehicles, so spare me your fairytales about driving up under one that gobbled when you slammed the door, and then you killed him from the truck, I know your lying and so should anyone else.
On heavily hunted public land the Turkeys are accustomed to the main road traffic constantly, but every single side trail doesn't need to be driven down. Gobblers will readily use these trails if you can keep from running them over.
I have had at least 20 Gobblers buggered by some lazy slob driving up while I was working the bird. Just last season in La a tired old man drove his clunker around my truck and down what could barely be considered a trail and right between me and a Gobbler I was calling. I talked to him a couple days later when he drove around my truck again before daylight, he said he'd been chasing a Gobbler in the area? I guess he chases them from the truck? I told him to go park his pos and to stop driving around my truck. I never saw him again.
Knock on wood
Quote from: LaLongbeard on March 16, 2020, 03:08:55 PM
Lazy people. If there is a road, trail goat path anything they could possibly navigate a vehicle down, they are going to do it. ANYTHING too save a step or two. What I can't understand, what makes anyone assume a Gobbler isn't roosted along the road or trail, or within site of it. And we all know turkeys can't see or hear vehicles, so spare me your fairytales about driving up under one that gobbled when you slammed the door, and then you killed him from the truck, I know your lying and so should anyone else.
On heavily hunted public land the Turkeys are accustomed to the main road traffic constantly, but every single side trail doesn't need to be driven down. Gobblers will readily use these trails if you can keep from running them over.
I have had at least 20 Gobblers buggered by some lazy slob driving up while I was working the bird. Just last season in La a tired old man drove his clunker around my truck and down what could barely be considered a trail and right between me and a Gobbler I was calling. I talked to him a couple days later when he drove around my truck again before daylight, he said he'd been chasing a Gobbler in the area? I guess he chases them from the truck? I told him to go park his pos and to stop driving around my truck. I never saw him again.
Road hunter...LOL
Quote from: camotoe on March 16, 2020, 10:48:28 AM
Had a spot a couple years ago where the guy put a sign up the day before the quota hunt that he was hunting down this road do not come down it .. I was not hunting that area but I thought it was pretty brazen .
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There was a year I was in Nebraska and a guy put up a road closed/Blocked signage he had stolen from the state hwy Dept. The guy was a guide on public land and didn't want his hunt interrupted. Well I give the DNR a call, he told me of the area and I told it said road was closed... Guess I can say his hunt got interrupted, fines and license lost.
MK M GOBL
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Quote from: camotoe on March 16, 2020, 10:48:28 AM
Had a spot a couple years ago where the guy put a sign up the day before the quota hunt that he was hunting down this road do not come down it .. I was not hunting that area but I thought it was pretty brazen .
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There was a year I was in Nebraska and a guy put up a road closed/Blocked signage he had stolen from the state hey Dept. The guy was a guide on public land and didn't want his hunt interrupted. Well I give the DNR a call, he told me of the area and I told it said road was closed... Guess I can say his hunt got interrupted, fines and license lost.
MK M GOBL
Now that's just plain ingenuity there. Lol
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Quote from: LaLongbeard on March 16, 2020, 03:08:55 PM
Lazy people. If there is a road, trail goat path anything they could possibly navigate a vehicle down, they are going to do it. ANYTHING too save a step or two. What I can't understand, what makes anyone assume a Gobbler isn't roosted along the road or trail, or within site of it. And we all know turkeys can't see or hear vehicles, so spare me your fairytales about driving up under one that gobbled when you slammed the door, and then you killed him from the truck, I know your lying and so should anyone else.
On heavily hunted public land the Turkeys are accustomed to the main road traffic constantly, but every single side trail doesn't need to be driven down. Gobblers will readily use these trails if you can keep from running them over.
I have had at least 20 Gobblers buggered by some lazy slob driving up while I was working the bird. Just last season in La a tired old man drove his clunker around my truck and down what could barely be considered a trail and right between me and a Gobbler I was calling. I talked to him a couple days later when he drove around my truck again before daylight, he said he'd been chasing a Gobbler in the area? I guess he chases them from the truck? I told him to go park his pos and to stop driving around my truck. I never saw him again.
I was in a club and there were birds roosting along a steep creek bottom. The older guy (late 70s) would park his truck maybe 150 yards from where they roosted and you could see it up and down the road they had to cross to come out where they were killable. He is a good friend and his son is one of my best friends. I kept listening to those birds and just bided my time. In the last week of the season, he finally gave up on them and I parked a ways back and called all 4 of them in - had to wait forever to be able to shoot just one. They walked right up the trail he would park on gobbling and strutting the whole way. The hunt may have lasted 30 minutes.
It's all good now, I am over it. I was just frustrated when I typed the first message. The funny thing is, if he would have told my bro he had driven from and hour and half away and did not know of any other birds, I am fairly certain my brother would have let him take the kid in with no complaint.