Stopped in Cicero NY store if your close by they have LB`s on sale 3in 1 3/4 4&6. 3 1/2 inch also. $11 a box. I picked up some 4`s so i have 4&5`s to test out of my 835 when it get`s a little warmer. I passed on the 3 1/2 because whatever i have shot through this 835 3 inch has always patterned better. That said LB`s are a new game for me. :OGani: