I know that this is a worn out out story, but I just have to vent. I lost another one of my last turkey hunting strongholds to out of state deer hunters. I have consistently lost a farm every year for the last ten years or so. I have offered money, but it wasn't ever enough. It seems like deer hunting has ruined every other hunting. I won't even take my kids hunting because I don't want them to get as wrapped up in hunting as I have with no place to enjoy it. I talked with a Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Services employee about residents having nowhere to hunt now, and he point blank told me that they make three to four more times off nonresident hunters (for deer) and have to go where the money is. Leases in my area have gotten ridiculous. Could I afford it? Yes. Do I want to take away from giving my family good vacations and keeping my wife and I in newer dependable vehicles? No. Why should anyone have to make that decision? Is that what hunting has came to? Sorry to offend anyone, but I remember a time of trading out hunts. A time before antler envy, or greed. Whatever you want to call it.
I understand where you are coming from, to me it is getting to the point that it is going to get to where only the rich can hunt the way it was or is in England as I have been told or remember reading about in history books where only the nobles could hunt. I hate leasing myself, I think it has ruined hunting for the common person.
As far as Antler envy or any other way you may want to put it I think TV shows have both helped and hurt hunting, I remember when they were first on it was good quality stuff, the hunt was the prize, now it seems that antler are all many people see, I have had people tell me I have no right to shoot a younger deer, my attitude is younger deer taste better so I am going to take them first, you can't eat antlers. I see very poor to marginal shots taken on animals on TV shows with bows in particular and I think that makes newer people do the same all trying to get that antler no matter what it takes and because they think that is how it should be done. I have seen people bragging about taking straight on shots on a deer with a bow or quartering to shots or the so called Texas heart shot, something I was always taught to avoid at all costs as they are not high percentage shots with a bow for sure and in some cases a gun. I see people bragging about taking spine shots, maybe with a gun but I am not even sure I would ever intentionally take that shot, it may drop the animal but it may well only paralyze it making it suffer for however long it takes you to make a follow up shot, I do not think animals feel pain quite the way we do, but you have to respect what you are hunting and take an ethical shot or stay out of the woods as far as I am concerned. Mind you I am not talking about a deer jumping the string or a bullet/arrow getting deflected, I am talking about intentionally targeting bad or cruel shot placement with that "No matter what it takes" attitude.
Sorry you lost some good ground. However in my opinion you are coming off as selfish and spoiled. Why do you have the right to be upset over what someone else does with their ground? That's like me complaining that Bill Gates wont give me his money. As I tell my kids, if you dont like it then do something about it. Sounds to me like you have three options.
1. Buy your own ground.
2. Pony up the cash to compete with other leasers.
3. Hunt public ground.
I can agree that the modern hunting/deer farming scene leaves little room for the average person. I am not a fan of it for different reasons than hunting ground but it ain't gonna change anytime soon. I am not trying to be a jerk but someone else's property is theirs to do with as they see fit. Some people get better breaks than others in life, others bust their rear ends and earn it. However the opportunity is there for most. It's just a matter of making it happen. Not trying to be a jerk but I think you are looking at it from an extremely selfish stand point.
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Is it even worth it to live in a world where one has to decide between his luxury items or exclusive use of someone else's hunting land?
When life has dealt you a hand that crappy you can always set up a Go Fund me account on Facebook.
Bottom line , you have to pay to play. Not trying to sound harsh but what you posted is a Liberal mindset. This is America where you pay your way. You cannot fault others who can afford it or landowners who want to make as much as possible. I lease 1100 acres for turkey rights only. It cost me 5 grand a year. I am a regular ole guy with a decent job. I sacrifice through the year and save to pay it. I have a wife and 2 kids and they are taken care of first but I manage. Its the world we live in.
To me the most disturbing part of what you wrote is the statement about not taking your kids hunting for the reasons you stated.
I would take them to public ground before not going at all, kids need to be out there hunting. Put some time in and find some out of the way places to take them.
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To me the most disturbing part of what you wrote is the statement about not taking your kids hunting for the reasons you stated.
I would take them to public ground before not going at all, kids need to be out there hunting. Put some time in and find some out of the way places to take them.
Completely agree with this.
I lease alot of ground for turkey,deer and duck hunting mainly to get away from public hunting and the idiots that go with it and yes it can get a little pricey but I also sublease some of it and take a few hunters on guided hunts and make back most of what I pay out..there's an old saying if there's a will there's a way
I guess it is just geographical differences. I am 49 and have been in lease clubs since I was 18 and my Dad has paid since the 70s.
Leasing is nothing new, y'all are just now catching up.
I hate that you lost your hunting, but you cannot blame someone for offsetting their income on their land just so you want to hunt.
I would be curious as to how much land leases for up there, I know several guys that lease land in KY and they pay about the same to hunt bigger deer as we do here in GA.
Hunt public. I enjoy it. I turn down offers to lease and hunt on private. No obligations and I shoot any legal animal I see. I come and go as I please and nobody to get upset about something.
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I will side with Punisher here, but concede that landowners are free to do with their land as they please. I do not think punisher is greedy or selfish. There are many who get shut out because they don't have the resources, a warm home and food on the table are far more important. I grew up in a time where people were neighborly and letting people hunt was a way of life and a kindness extended. We owned and farmed hundreds of acres and anyone who didn't trash our land was welcome. The thought of shutting everyone out just for money would have been an offense to my father. We still own land and some of our family members have decided they'd rather have the money. My sister lives on the old home place and does not solely own it, but still they decided to lease it and now I can't even hunt my own home place. Yeah it sucks. Thankfully the rest of the family feels different and none of us lease our holdings (over 1,000 acres) and have no intent to. I still let people hunt for free and it is my way of Loving my neighbor as Christ advised. I actually think it is more of a form of greed to shut out your family and friends for money. It is harming hunting and one of the reasons it's declining. we do control who hunts our land so those we let hunt have a safe high quality hunt. It's mostly family and neighbors. I allow some out of staters and out of towners to hunt mine.
Another aspect is the way lease holders act. I am surrounded by leased land and it is a constant fight to keep them off my land. They do not care as "we don't live here". Last year a guy and his son hunting on me called me and said some guy was trying to run them off claiming he had it all leased. I jumped in my truck and headed their way. when I got there they said he ran off when they said the land owner is on his way. Didn't do him any good because I knew where he came from. He paid for that stunt. I regret to say that adjoining land owner and I used to be good friends and now seldom speak, because he thinks I'm being an as##ole running his leasers off and pressing charges on them. Yeah I hate leasing too
I see the point of all these post, my suggestion is keep trying to find land and pay for a lease , it's cheaper than owning land ... as for the kids , always teach them about the outdoors and take them hunting .. good luck ...
Just trying to vent. Obviously, by some of your remarks, you don't remember what it used to be like to gain permission with a friendly handshake. Happy, I think the people leasing ground are the selfish ones. They are afraid of competition. Unable to kill something unless they are the only people hunting there. I have tagged out on longbeards for the last twenty three years on heavily pressured private ground. I just hate seeing where hunting is going. Obviously the generation of "I don't want any competition. I can't handle it." Just for general knowledge, not bragging at all, with my wife's and my salary, we are WELL above the national average, but I do not lease out of principal. Why would I take that money away from my family for a stupid deer or turkey? Sorry. Rant over. Just so everyone is clear, in now way do I blame the landowners.
I understand your feelings but unfortunately we are living in todays world, things change and if we aren't happy it is up to us to change it.
I've had very few private properties to hunt over the last 40 years. Always hunted public land and I'm thankful there is a bunch of it around me.
It's what I like to do, what I enjoy. There maybe a day I don't have much public land to hunt, I'm very aware of that.
Take your kids hunting, if they have to learn it takes scouting, woodsmen-ship, and hard work to be as successful as the big money guys, they will appreciate it more, be better more skilled hunters.
They learn a lesson about life that's no longer taught to most kids.
You reap what you sew...
In some areas it may be cheaper to buy some land Gregg. I will just quit hunting before I pay out a significant part of my retirement income for a lease. I am lucky I don't have to because I own land, but if I didn't I would not pay. There are a lot of us older retired hunters that live on fixed incomes that seriously can not afford the lease prices. We like food, clothes and homes more. So they're left hunting public or quitting. Many young people are in the same boat. Take a young couple with two kids and a home mortgage and average income, and no savings to speak of. They can't afford to spend thousands of dollars for a hunting lease that is only used a few times a year...
There's always another side. Kudos to those of you who have the resources and can do it, but there are more who can't. It definitely is hurting recruitment of new hunters. I do not begrudge you for having your leases, but I do ask that you respect the landowner's around you. Many areas do not have much public land
Punisher, I can honestly see points to your post. However I can't wrap my head around being mad about what someone else decides to do with property that they own. It's a slippery slope and I am not saying that people that lock up chunks of land aren't greedy in some ways. Maybe they are or maybe they are just tired of the trash and bickering.The key point is that they either have or are paying for that right. Like many I wish that hunting got back to the simpler days. I despise the trophy hunting, Instagram, facebook, farm raising game and cameras everywhere. It's the world we live in now and as long as i dont have to do it i am ok with it. I hunt purely to make me happy. I have personally been blessed and have had the opportunity to hunt a lot of land. Some of it Is leased with a pile of other people and some I dont. I still have permission for 2 200 acre farms that I have never even scouted. Maybe I am just getting old but having grown up dirt poor and hunting public my whole life i just dont feel the need for my own private oasis. I like hunting pressured animals. It keeps me on my game. Like I said earlier, i dont want to seem harsh but I would hate seeing the day a property owner does not have the freedom to do with their property as they wish. I really hope you find happiness in hunting but I would suggest basing it off of things you can control. Life is to short to be upset about what others do. Good luck.
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Quote from: Punisher on November 14, 2019, 08:02:42 PM
Just trying to vent. Obviously, by some of your remarks, you don't remember what it used to be like to gain permission with a friendly handshake. Happy, I think the people leasing ground are the selfish ones. They are afraid of competition. Unable to kill something unless they are the only people hunting there. I have tagged out on longbeards for the last twenty three years on heavily pressured private ground. I just hate seeing where hunting is going. Obviously the generation of "I don't want any competition. I can't handle it." Just for general knowledge, not bragging at all, with my wife's and my salary, we are WELL above the national average, but I do not lease out of principal. Why would I take that money away from my family for a stupid deer or turkey? Sorry. Rant over. Just so everyone is clear, in now way do I blame the landowners.
Feel free to rant, that's what forums are for.
You say "you don't remember...." and you are right, as I stated earlier, leasing in Georgia has been prevalent since the 70's and my first lease as an adult was 1988, the year I graduated high school. The days of just hunting someone's land has never been available in my lifetime.
I'm afraid if you will not lease out of principal, you may be out of any private land in the next 10 years to hunt.
QuoteI'm afraid if you will not lease out of principal, you may be out of any private land in the next 10 years to hunt.
This is exactly why it hurts recruitment of new hunters.
Example: There are approximately 500 acres surrounding my property that used to be owned by one family for near 100 years. They were very kind hearted and let anyone local hunt whenever. A privilege some abused. I bet within a year maybe 50 different people hunted, hiked or looked for morels on it, maybe more. The eldest daughter turned it over to her son just before she died. An out of state group of 4 guys leased it from him and instantly posted it to the hilt. It was the place many took there kids because she had the trails maintained. They even made a deal with a local to patrol it. Now only 4 hunt it ( except for the poachers who are delighted no one is on it) and they only come a week or two out of the year. After she turned it over vandals practically destroyed the family cemetery and she was devastated. when the neighbors were allowed to hunt we all helped keep the property up now it's over grown and vandalized., but her son gets his $10,000.00 to blow. I don't think she would be happy. Multiply this by thousands and many people quit hunting out of disgust. as i said earlier, there are not huge plots of public land here.
If you lease and think you are the only one hunting it...dream on baby. The poachers love non resident leases. It's a secure place to poach, the honest people won't trespass.
Do I remember? Where I grew up in PA I'd shoot pheasants walking out my back door. Ponds all around to jump ducks on. Farms in every directions and I was free to use all of it.
Today? All developed with houses. Big acreage that still exists is owned by non hunters. No leasing because no one allows hunting.
I live in FL now and beat the public land. Craziest hunting I have ever done. I refuse to lease but do travel out west.
Once again, and I feel I must reiterate it, I am in no way against landowners against leasing their ground. They have bought and paid for it. They have every right to do with it as they please. I agree totally. As hunters, we have brought this on ourselves. Public ground is not always a viable option. There is none close to me. I wish there was, but if it is not there, then you cannot hunt it.
I bought some land, and I am looking to buy more. Live life Dave Ramsey style with no debt except the house.
Quote from: nativeks on November 14, 2019, 10:25:28 PM
I bought some land, and I am looking to buy more. Live life Dave Ramsey style with no debt except the house.
I agree live life debt free, but my wife and I both drive around ninety miles a day round trip to have good jobs. Driving beaters is not an option. We are both on call 24/7 for 365 days a year. Our vehicles must be reliable. I enjoy taking my family on vacations, as do they. Would it not be selfish for me to deny them that in order for me to spend thousands on a "pastime?" I am sorry, but I feel it is. Maybe I have my priorities wrong.
Leasing property is nothing new in the south. Most of the time the landowners like compensation for the land. Sometimes just paying the tax bill works. We are about to reach out to a family to lease 1,000 acres that has sat vacant for many years. Gonna cost us a pretty good chunk. Best part is I still and will hunt public ground. Our public is heavily pressured but you learn how to hunt people then the animals. Deer are not the biggest on public but still some brutes around. Nothing more satisfying then killing a turkey that has heard every walmart call made to him for a few weeks then you go work him and have an opportunity to kill him. Lots of people complain about public land but have never hunted it and just heard bad stories,or dont know how to hunt without a feeder and food plot. The challenge of finding a killing is the best part.
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Quote from: roberthyman14 on November 14, 2019, 11:05:42 PM
Leasing property is nothing new in the south.
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And now that same mentality has been brought to Kentucky from the south. Listen guys, I am so sorry if I offended anyone, I am just getting fed up with the road hunting is going down. I didn't mean to offend anyone. I apologize if I did. And so noone is offended, I also consider myself a southerner. LOL. As far as leasing goes, I just can't believe that anyone feels that it is their "moral" obligation to pay a landowner to hunt on them. Extravagant amounts wouldn't be paid, and a person would do it closer to home if that was the case. I have tried, but the amounts they want for a lease where I live are ridiculous because I live in a "trophy" deer area and the prices for a lease are becoming unreachable. Maybe I am wrong. I hope that I am. I see it as a means to have the upper hand on the other hunter. To eliminate competition and to have the biggest "trophy." People wouldn't travel 10, 12, or even more hours to deer hunt where I live just to "ensure they have somewhere to hunt." It is to "one up" the next guy. To increase one's ego at any cost. Sorry fellows I might have a totally biased view, and I regret it if I do.
I am not at all offended or upset punisher and I hope I haven't offended you. I spent my entire life around coal miners and ironworker so I am pretty thick skinned.I tend to say what I think and while I am not out to make people mad I just dont sugar coat it. I think you have a lot of good points in all of this and I agree that most of this is all fueled by the desire to make success easier by the hunter. If private leases, food plots/bait piles, trail cameras, heated blinds ect didn't make it easier then no_one would do it. But that's the world we live in now. I hope it blows over but I doubt it will anytime soon. Money,the need for attention and the internet have some huge consequences.
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You know a couple years ago I was dealing with some stuff that was really frustrating me and upsetting me. I was talking to my grandad one day and he said something that while humorous made a lot of sense. It was simply this"if you get in a 15 minute argument with an idiot and get mad just remember the last 10 minutes are your fault". That has stuck with me. If I dont like it or respect it then I walk away from it. There is no point spending life being angry or upset about stuff. How someone hunts or lives their life is their business and I dont expect everyone to see it the same as me. I honestly hope you dont let this stuff ruin your outlook on hunting. There is plenty of good to be found and if you stick to your principles then you should be happy because that's all that matters. Dont be mad at the leasers, food plotters or bait watchers, if that's their means of happiness then so be it. Doesnt mean you have to pay attention to it one bit.
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Quotethe amounts they want for a lease where I live are ridiculous because I live in a "trophy" deer area and the prices for a lease are becoming unreachable.
I am in Ohio and we have really got slammed by the trophy attitude. Your right punisher it's ridiculous. I had one of those TV shows ask me to film on my land and my family's, I sent them packing with their ears burning. A good friend of mine guided for one of the big turkey names and after a couple years of being used as a dog and no bone to chew on he quit.
I don't know what you all pay for leases. but around here land runs $20.00 -35.00 / acre for land. Good land may get more. I have noticed a new thing now, some companies leasing land. Some near me is leased by a construction company for their officers/clients. It's a tax right off. That's where you get the slobs. It all started about 20 years ago when the local paper company brought in a new forester from down south. He went to the board and told them they could make $500,000.00 if they leased hunting rights. Up to that time they had a public use agreement with the Ohio Division of Wildlife and their thousands of acres were public access. I believe they got tax breaks on that too. Now they have sold all their land to land companies and it's all privately controlled and most of it leased. Of course they had every right to do all this, but sometimes it's about more than legal rights.....it's simply a matter of good conscious and morals. Someone stated earlier, "you reap what you sow"; I think that land that is leased for profit should be taxed at corporate rates not forest land and agricultural use land. Boy landowners would scream then. Maybe I should write my legislatures and suggest this.
Hey this is the most active this forum has been in a while......finally something to talk about. It does feel good to at least bitch and get it off our chest. Like a good trip to the bathroom....you feel good after dumping a load. That's why they call it releaving yourself
I have purposely moved twice in my life to find better hunting, once I moved out west to experience everything it had to offer and 10 years latter I moved back south but made sure I located very near a large track of public land. I'm sure a lot of you can't do that because of bla,bla bla but that fact is everyone really does have an opportunity to do what they want in life.
If you wan't it bad enough you make it happen, other wise you roll back over into that warm bed and come up with reasons why it ain't your fault.
you are right on target southern gobbler. Yes we all set our priorities, but still that does not always mean someone's view of a situation does not have merit. There was a time when I put a very high priority on my hunting....even at the cost of missing almost every one of my oldest daughters birthdays from toddler to late teenage years. It damaged our relationship, because she always thought dad would rather hunt turkeys than be with me. Not until I was older and changed my life through Christ that I saw where my true treasures were. They are in those I love from Lord to family and friends. They will always be my first choice from now on....if hunting suffers, so be it. It is my choice and my priority I am content to live in it and be happy with it. That does not remove me from having a view on what I feel is a trend that is harming our sport. It is both personal and impersonal. I want all to have an opportunity at fair chase. If push comes to shove i will give up my hunting, but not without effort and rebuttal. A free and just America is "for all", not just those who can afford it or make it happen. what we see happening in hinting is also happening within our society as a whole. If we want change it is the heart of the people who must foster it, to simply concede "that is the way it is ". is not within my DNA. I think that is what drove punisher to make his original post...it wasn't greed, but a heart felt opinion that there was an injustice within our pursuit of sport.
One thing I have learned in my time on earth, is that change is inevitable. Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Quote from: Southerngobbler on November 15, 2019, 09:02:51 AM
I have purposely moved twice in my life to find better hunting, once I moved out west to experience everything it had to offer and 10 years latter I moved back south but made sure I located very near a large track of public land. I'm sure a lot of you can't do that because of bla,bla bla but that fact is everyone really does have an opportunity to do what they want in life.
If you wan't it bad enough you make it happen, other wise you roll back over into that warm bed and come up with reasons why it ain't your fault.
Horse pucky as Colonel Potter would say, not everybody has that ability.
This Coronal potter buddy of your sounds like a democrat. Is he on welfare?
Perhaps the leasing up North by those from the South is just a delayed payback for the invasion of the 1860's.
:popcorn:
I feel strongly that every "issue" has a solution. In this case there are many solutions but a lot of them as you've mentioned are not feasible.
I will start with saying I am from Wyoming and I don't know how leasing works. But the very first solution that comes to mind is talking with these landowners about permission to hunt or "leasing" for a small price during the spring. As you've mentioned these landowners can do whatever they want and further supplementing their income by showing them you'll give them a couple hundred bucks to access the property during springtime might be enough for them to let you hunt the place.
The other solution, which has been mentioned a few times is hunting public ground. You say there's none close to you but then say you have a newer, dependable vehicle. HAVE TAG WILL TRAVEL! Take a weekend and go to a part of the state where there's more public, or a neighboring state. Last year I took a week off work, headed east to Iowa (the land of virtually no public land) and killed a bird on public ground, then hunted my way across Nebraska while heading home, and killed a bird there. It's some of the most fun I ever had traveling around the midwest, hunting, talking with folks, and all around having a great time. I stayed in a tent at a campground. My major expenses were tag costs and gas. I brought a propane grill to cook dinners, a cooler full of sandwich stuff, and breakfast bars. I "roughed it" but it was a blast! That is a very viable option! I believe I did the entire trip for less than $1000 but I could've been just over. It's pennies compared to what some people will charge for a weekend on their land, let alone hunting two states and 9 days of hunting.
I hunt public ground. A lot. I also hunt private ground some. As far as I can tell, the birds are the same. I'd say 75% of the birds I've killed over the years have come off of public ground. They're there and can be killed. Don't give up.
There are still some areas where a friendly handshake and a return favor or two can get you access. I personally don't pay to hunt unless you count crappie fillets and deer jerky. If you pay, cool. It's just not for me. This year, I lost an amazing piece of deer ground. Got lucky and found another that's better. It cost me nothing until I gave the guy a deer jerky sample! I don't mind one bit. Here's the buck I shot Monday on that ground.
Another pic.
Quote from: Southerngobbler on November 15, 2019, 01:04:32 PM
This Coronal potter buddy of your sounds like a democrat. Is he on welfare?
Never watched M.A.S.H?
POK3s - Done the cheap road trip thing and I agree it's fun to see new areas. Killing birds are only a bonus. Way back in the day we used to take off and hunt some of the states surrounding us that have pretty big National forest. west Va., Va. and Kentucky. we camped or stayed in cabins. We actually picked up access to private land sometimes. So there are solutions, your right. Your not familiar with leasing....once leased the leasing person/persons control all the hunting, even over the landowner. I suppose the landowner could buy out the lease if he wasn't happy. So permission would have to come from the lease holder and probably won't happen. That's the idea of a lease, control.
Renegade,
That a nice deer anywhere.
If not the landowner then I'd still be having a conversation with the guy leasing it. There's always a chance!
That is a good point. One lease close to me is all deer hunters and they said go for the spring turkeys, they had no plans to turkey hunt.
I don't have very deep pockets and I don't have the luxury of leasing or traveling to hunt. Instead,
I exchange hunting rights for basic farm work at a couple of horse farms near where I live. The farm owners are women who don't do much fence repair or wood cutting on downed trees themselves. I also keep the horse trails trimmed and clear of debris, which makes it easier for me to move around quickly & quietly when I hunt. It's not for everybody, but it works for me. I have taken some great gobblers and deer off those farms and plan to keep on as long as I'm able.
Jim
Quote from: Cut N Run on November 16, 2019, 11:44:05 PM
I don't have very deep pockets and I don't have the luxury of leasing or traveling to hunt. Instead,
I exchange hunting rights for basic farm work at a couple of horse farms near where I live. The farm owners are women who don't do much fence repair or wood cutting on downed trees themselves. I also keep the horse trails trimmed and clear of debris, which makes it easier for me to move around quickly & quietly when I hunt. It's not for everybody, but it works for me. I have taken some great gobblers and deer off those farms and plan to keep on as long as I'm able.
Jim
This works. My brother in law is a licensed election and he offers to do electrical work in exchange for hunting rights. He only started hunting 5 or 6 years ago and has gotten permission to hunt deer and turkey on several properties. So far he has only had one person call in the chit (and if I recall he said that was a really small job), just offering the help is enough for most people.
I feel your pain. I have no problem with leasing land personally, but it has affected me somewhat. My main problem is farms being broken up and sold as lots. Again, it's their land to do what they want with it, but it isn't a good feeling when it happens so frequently.
Quote from: fallhnt on November 14, 2019, 01:38:34 PM
Hunt public. I enjoy it. I turn down offers to lease and hunt on private. No obligations and I shoot any legal animal I see. I come and go as I please and nobody to get upset about something.
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Yep. :agreed:
In continuing the discussion, let me add that hunting public ground is certainly a viable option and I have had many good hunts on public ground. However, not all public ground is created equal. If your in an area that has large or even vast holdings of National Forest, BLM land or others then you can expect some pretty good hunting and usually find a place not so crowded. If you do not live in an area with those options you will most likely be stuck hunting small Wildlife mngt areas, state forest or some form of agreement land. In my area none of these have any continuous tracks over a few hundred acres to maybe 1,000 acres. Often the next area is at least an hour or two drive. Add to that a large city within an hour or two and bingo it's over crowded and the game get pushed off. So, it's not always that simple.
In no way did I mean to raise a ruckus amongst us, I just hate to see the road that hunting is taking nowadays. I am sorry for any animosity.
Hey punisher, I don't think it's a ruckous. I think there has been a lot of good suggestions/discussion. It also has been good to share how everyone's situation is different. I would guess no one is mad at you, they may disagree but that's normal.
Quote from: Punisher on November 23, 2019, 12:24:55 AM
In no way did I mean to raise a ruckus amongst us, I just hate to see the road that hunting is taking nowadays. I am sorry for any animosity.
I don't think you said anything wrong, I just wish some people realized that one day they or their children or grandchildren are going to be pushed out of the sport because of leasing, like I said it will be just like it was in England where only the Noble's could hunt.
Dont think a ruckus was caused. Now how bout we talk about reaping or hunting turkeys with a rifle? In all honesty it's easy to get mad about a lot of trends in hunting. But there really isn't any reason to. It seems to me that more people are hunting for attention than anything else and that is the saddest part if it all. No one can kill a decent buck or turkey without bragging about it and plastering it on facebook, Twitter, ect. More power to them. I will just be happy being me. I can ignore them just fine and dont feel the least bit of pressure to compete. I know it isn't gonna happen but if everyone ignored these people they would go away.
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I killed 11 birds last year, my two best hunts were on public land out of my home state!
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