Before you ask "Why can't you just talk about turkey hunting?"... I am entirely fed up with the decline of family values and the indecency of today's society. I am the father of 3 teenage daughters and I find it sickening to see a company that once was a trusted source for family purchases to now sell porn online. Don't believe it? Check this out (no offensive images in the link - family safe link):
http://action.afa.net/email/online.aspx?cid=1315&mid=3944824&tid=aa&utm_source=smAFA&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1315 (http://action.afa.net/email/online.aspx?cid=1315&mid=3944824&tid=aa&utm_source=smAFA&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1315)
This kind of stuff goes on because folks who are offended by it do nothing but whine and complain to each other (including myself in the past). I have seen the impact that this kind of material has on marriages and families, and will not support a company that profits from its sales.
In my opinion, inaction is the same as endorsement. If you are offended by this kind of materials, let Sears know.
I agree Wendell! My family will not be shoping at Sears any longer. It is time that people need to take a stand for what they believe. :jesus-cross:
That crap makes me sick
Just sent an e-mail and my family will not be shopping at sears anymore
looks like i wont be shopping at sears anymore. that stinks to because their tool section was always my get away when i go to the mall with the wife
That's very disappointing. I did however look at their website and did not find it, so maybe it's not true?
It's definitely there. Its under Mature under the Genre section.
Quote from: drenalinld on May 05, 2011, 12:04:50 PM
That's very disappointing. I did however look at their website and did not find it, so maybe it's not true?
Did you not look at the link sent? You may not be familiar with the American Family Association, but they are no "fly-by-night" organization bent on bashing. They do their homework. It only takes a few minutes to find, but if you look at the link below and still don't believe it, I can't help you.
http://entertainment.sears.com/853937002353/final-girl (http://entertainment.sears.com/853937002353/final-girl)
Doesn't look like an approrpriate family movie night choice to me...
What a shame! but what do they care it's all about the money for them.
Quote from: turkey slayer on May 05, 2011, 12:44:56 PM
What a shame! but what do they care it's all about the money for them.
thats correct they will make more from this than they will lose
Quote from: lightsoutcalls on May 05, 2011, 12:21:14 PM
Quote from: drenalinld on May 05, 2011, 12:04:50 PM
That's very disappointing. I did however look at their website and did not find it, so maybe it's not true?
Did you not look at the link sent? You may not be familiar with the American Family Association, but they are no "fly-by-night" organization bent on bashing. They do their homework. It only takes a few minutes to find, but if you look at the link below and still don't believe it, I can't help you.
http://entertainment.sears.com/853937002353/final-girl (http://entertainment.sears.com/853937002353/final-girl)
Doesn't look like an approrpriate family movie night choice to me...
Never said I didn't believe it, just wasn't able to easily find it on their website. I was hoping for better from Sears. Not cool at all.
Guys, I know Vin Diesel isn't the best actor, but why bash the movie? XXX movies are my favorite :z-guntootsmiley:
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I looked under the genera section and there is no "M"ature catagory listed. Only a "N"ature section.
Quote from: LaBiologist on May 05, 2011, 03:34:13 PM
I looked under the genera section and there is no "M"ature catagory listed. Only a "N"ature section.
A little
too natural, wouldn't ya say? :D
LOL stinky
Shoot Im all for some good looking artificial looking "nature."
It appears the section has been removed!
I think it was just a far right organization taking a rumor and running with it.
I am always shocked to find that one of the largest profit makers in pornography in the US is Marriott. You really have to be careful who you choose to support with your money.
I guess you don't watch TV because they have nudity and Porn on there. Don't use the internet because it is on there too! I guess freedom in this country anymore is based off of "it's ok if I agree with it and wrong if I don't like it". I think we fought a few wars to establish our freedom and not have some high and mighty enforce their standards on us, how soon they forget. If you don't like it turn the channel or don't order the movie. Hell I'm sure PETA will boycott your company because you hunt. Be careful what you wish for you may just get it!
Quote from: Gitzit69 on May 05, 2011, 05:19:47 PM
First it was Home Depot and gay rights, now its Sears and porn. What's next Mickey Mouse smoking a blunt? :TooFunny: :TooFunny:
One of my church deacons took his family to Disney when the kids were younger. They hit the place on gay pride day and the "code" for that was a red shirt.
My deacon friend happened to be wearing a red shirt on that day. Needless to say he was most unhappy with Disney because he had clue till they showed up at the park that morning. :TooFunny:
Quote from: clg9mm on May 05, 2011, 05:01:37 PM
I guess you don't watch TV because they have nudity and Porn on there. Don't use the internet because it is on there too! I guess freedom in this country anymore is based off of "it's ok if I agree with it and wrong if I don't like it". I think we fought a few wars to establish our freedom and not have some high and mighty enforce their standards on us, how soon they forget. If you don't like it turn the channel or don't order the movie. Hell I'm sure PETA will boycott your company because you hunt. Be careful what you wish for you may just get it!
Actually, I choose not to watch those programs that include nudity and porn. I use the internet, but choose to have a filter and accountability software that would alert my wife and a good friend if I were to access questionable sites. I do this because I value my wife, my marriage of nearly 24 years, my children and my relationship with a personal God who finds such material detestable.
I lost an uncle in Korea before I had a chance to meet him. He died at 19 years old defending a country he would no longer recognize in such a state of moral decay.
If you actually read the initial post and the attached links, nowhere did they try to force any line of thought on anyone or impose any standard on anyone. The point was simply to inform people of a company's actions... actions that many find objectionable. Some here receive email alerts from the American Family Association, others are unaware of this group and may not have heard about this issues, as we know the liberal media would not report on it.
You come across a bit hostile in your warnings to "be careful what you wish for". My wish is for a country and a people to wake up to what they are losing by sticking their heads in the sand and allowing society to decay around them. If that offends you, take your own advice and don't read my posts... as you will likely be offended again.
I wish you a blessed day.
lightsoutcalls.........I for one am fine with your posts that link to warnings from the American Family Association.
The problem comes when people try to force their beliefs on others. It starts down a dangerous path. Boycotts and other silliness seems innocent enough until it gets out of control. Look at the antihunting movement. They think they are doing good and they out number us. Without the freedoms we enjoy certain things we enjoy that others don't be it hunting or a religion can be abolished. It is this type of freedom that many of us have fought and many died to protect. How hard would it be to make a case against a religion where numerous kids have been molested? Not everything is black and white. Unfortunately there are a lot of shades of gray in the real world. Religion and faith is a good thing. Extremism in any form becomes destructive.
Quote from: Tail Feathers on May 05, 2011, 06:17:19 PM
Quote from: Gitzit69 on May 05, 2011, 05:19:47 PM
First it was Home Depot and gay rights, now its Sears and porn. What's next Mickey Mouse smoking a blunt? :TooFunny: :TooFunny:
One of my church deacons took his family to Disney when the kids were younger. They hit the place on gay pride day and the "code" for that was a red shirt.
My deacon friend happened to be wearing a red shirt on that day. Needless to say he was most unhappy with Disney because he had clue till they showed up at the park that morning. :TooFunny:
:TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny:
Sears will still be here next week just like it has always been,no matter who shops there or who doesn't
Doesn't bother me one bit.
I didn't see where lightsoutcalls or anyone else tried to force their ideas on anyone. What I saw was a concerned citizen informing others of things that are questionable. If you saw something going on that could be a potential problem for a friend wouldn't you tell them? That's all lightsoutcalls was doing.
I see nothing wrong with boycotting companies that support causes that I don't agree with, I am free to spend my hard earned money how I please. You have the same freedom, it shouldn't bother you how I choose to spend my $.
im a computer dummy and i found the material wendall talked about real easy you did us all a good service wendall thanks
Quote from: LX_Trkyhntr on May 05, 2011, 11:10:00 PM
I didn't see where lightsoutcalls or anyone else tried to force their ideas on anyone. What I saw was a concerned citizen informing others of things that are questionable. If you saw something going on that could be a potential problem for a friend wouldn't you tell them? That's all lightsoutcalls was doing.
I see nothing wrong with boycotting companies that support causes that I don't agree with, I am free to spend my hard earned money how I please. You have the same freedom, it shouldn't bother you how I choose to spend my $.
Your also free to not look at what was posted. He never "forced" any belief on anyone. I'll go ahead and make your day even more........right and wrong is black and white. You can choose to wash it down however you like and turn it into shades of gray, but that doesn't change it.
Quote from: LX_Trkyhntr on May 05, 2011, 11:18:37 AM
I agree Wendell! My family will not be shoping at Sears any longer. It is time that people need to take a stand for what they believe. :jesus-cross:
Its one thing to not do it, its another altogether to not do it and tell them why so they know what is causing the loss in sales
Quote from: clg9mm on May 05, 2011, 09:13:28 PM
The problem comes when people try to force their beliefs on others. It starts down a dangerous path. Boycotts and other silliness seems innocent enough until it gets out of control. Look at the antihunting movement. They think they are doing good and they out number us. Without the freedoms we enjoy certain things we enjoy that others don't be it hunting or a religion can be abolished. It is this type of freedom that many of us have fought and many died to protect. How hard would it be to make a case against a religion where numerous kids have been molested? Not everything is black and white. Unfortunately there are a lot of shades of gray in the real world. Religion and faith is a good thing. Extremism in any form becomes destructive.
What is most destructive is when you don't stand up for your beliefs. I am not sure how this is relating to the anti-hunting other than the fact that since they do not hunt they will not by turkey calls from Wendall. We have stood by for too long and allowed money and greed to change the fundamentals of our country. I have lost family fighting for freedom as well and I know that they would be standing right beside me when I walk in to Sears and tell them thanks but no thanks as long as you sell porn I won't be shopping here. Maybe it won't break them but it will show my stance and that is my right. Pornography is on of the most destructive forces to marriages there is. So as much as they have a right to sell it I have a right to tell people I won't buy it!! Pornography is one of the reasons children are getting molested daily in our world. A lot more than religion. There are bad people in every walk of life and they will all be judged in the end just as we all will. I for one am going for the good judgement and that means standing against immoral things.
It does apprear to be gone!!! That is awesome it shows that when you stand up for something then it makes people reconsider. Thanks Wendall!!
All else aside. I stopped doing business with Sears aka Kmart when I called customer service a couple years ago to schedule a service technician to come fix my Kenmore upright freezer. I ended up speaking with a guy named Tony (yeah right) that could barely speak English. His real name was most likely Akbar and he was located in either Pakistan or India. Akabar or Tony wanted to put me on the scheadule 2 weeks down the road. I eventually found a local English speaking American techinian named Bob (real name too) to fix my freezer that same day.
My issue with Sears aka Kmart is that I will NEVER do business with them again when they have a call center located in a country where the person on the other end of the line can barely speak or understand English.
In their defense, I've never seen adult materials available in a Sears store, and it's clearly not being heavily pushed on their site. I highly doubt that anyone looking for porn is going to order it from Sears, anyway. :D
This why I WILL shop at Sears...
Sears guarantees the continuance of pay and benefits for their employees in the National Guard and Reserves while they're deployed! That, in my book, far outweighs the fact that they're selling NC-17 movies on their website.
Source... http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/sears.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/sears.asp)
By the looks of all of the trashy movies they are selling,I'm sure they support open gays/homo's in the military as well! Sickening fact the immoral things that are being accepted by the majority these days!!
Quote from: bird on May 06, 2011, 09:10:41 AM
All else aside. I stopped doing business with Sears aka Kmart when I called customer service a couple years ago to schedule a service technician to come fix my Kenmore upright freezer. I ended up speaking with a guy named Tony (yeah right) that could barely speak English. His real name was most likely Akbar and he was located in either Pakistan or India. Akabar or Tony wanted to put me on the scheadule 2 weeks down the road. I eventually found a local English speaking American techinian named Bob (real name too) to fix my freezer that same day.
My issue with Sears aka Kmart is that I will NEVER do business with them again when they have a call center located in a country where the person on the other end of the line can barely speak or understand English.
So I'm guessing you didn't write this post from a Dell :D :D :D :D :D
Well hell let's just crucify anyone that doesn't agree with our beliefs.......oh yeah they did that already. Amazing how many self righteous people are so much better than everybody else. I think that was addressed also...something about not judging lest you be judged also??? I sure do see a lot of the people that I arrest on Friday and Saturday on the way to church on Sunday.........Me I'll just go back to minding my own business and let the free people of America decide things for themselves.
The line was drawn years ago!! Its now very close to the time for each to make their final choice on which side of the line they plan to stand on till the end!!!The line is very blurry now,let all hope and
pray every human being chooses the right side to stand!!
Quote from: Shaw24 on May 06, 2011, 12:07:00 PM
Quote from: bird on May 06, 2011, 09:10:41 AM
All else aside. I stopped doing business with Sears aka Kmart when I called customer service a couple years ago to schedule a service technician to come fix my Kenmore upright freezer. I ended up speaking with a guy named Tony (yeah right) that could barely speak English. His real name was most likely Akbar and he was located in either Pakistan or India. Akabar or Tony wanted to put me on the scheadule 2 weeks down the road. I eventually found a local English speaking American techinian named Bob (real name too) to fix my freezer that same day.
My issue with Sears aka Kmart is that I will NEVER do business with them again when they have a call center located in a country where the person on the other end of the line can barely speak or understand English.
So I'm guessing you didn't write this post from a Dell :D :D :D :D :D
No Dell here!
Quote from: clg9mm on May 06, 2011, 12:57:15 PM
Well hell let's just crucify anyone that doesn't agree with our beliefs.......oh yeah they did that already. Amazing how many self righteous people are so much better than everybody else. I think that was addressed also...something about not judging lest you be judged also??? I sure do see a lot of the people that I arrest on Friday and Saturday on the way to church on Sunday.........Me I'll just go back to minding my own business and let the free people of America decide things for themselves.
Once again, sir, you seem to miss the point or read something that is not there. The intent of the post was to inform, not to condemn. Most of us here are adults and are capable of making decisions for ouselves. The link in the initial post was for an "Action Alert". It was to inform people who might be opposed to such an issue and invite them to voice their disapproval of the situation to the company in question. I believe that would fall under our right to freedom of speech. Doing so does not impose upon your right to freely and openly shop with this retailer. Expressing one's convictions about an issue in no way condemns you or anyone else who does not agree. It simply acts as a statement of that individual's convictions and allows others to agree or disagree as they choose. Sometimes giving voice to one's opinion may help strengthen others who are like-minded by helping them understand that there are others who feel the way they do. Simple as that.
I have seen first hand how pornography, the central issue of the action alert, can destroy a relationship. I have seen how it can eat away at the foundation of a person's belief system and how before long, a person can begin to justify actions they would have once been appalled by. I have seen, heard and read how once trust of a spouse has been broken as the result of pornography, it is extremely difficult and sometimes impossible to restore. I have read the heartfelt outpourings of wives who have been devastated as a result of pornography. I have seen the trickle down its effects have into the extended family, children and in-laws.
The issue goes way beyond a retail giant allowing "nudie" movies to be sold on their website. You are completely right in that this material can be found most anywhere you look, or more to the point, anywhere you seek it out. I make a conscious effort to avoid it anywhere and everywhere I can. Does that make me self-righteous? Did I condemn anyone else by making such a choice for myself? Did I infringe on the rights of anyone else? No sir. I recognize that I am not immune to the draw of such materials. I understand the pain and destruction it can lead to. I simply choose not to allow it to be a part of my life.
We have all heard of how an alcoholic can "fall off the wagon" if he takes just one drink after quitting. The same goes with a person who chooses to quit smoking or using smokeless tobacco (as this specific issue was raised here within the past week).
Would you question, condemn, berate or degrade a person who had made such a life choice for himself/herself? Most would cheer them on in support of making such a decision to abstain from such activities. Does that individual's choice to abstain condemn another who doesn't share their choice? Would you condemn or degrade an alcoholic who had stopped drinking from avoiding bars? Most would think that a logical choice if they were serious about not falling back into a habit they have chosen to avoid.
Once again, sir, the intent was not to condemn, simply to inform.
AS for me and my house we will serve the Lord. :cross2: :cross2: :cross2:
I tell ya what...some of those old Cheryl Tiegs catalogs from Sears looked racy to me when I was little... hubba hubba :D
(http://store.vintagepaperads.com/catalog/FF182.jpg)
Quote from: S.C.C on May 06, 2011, 11:51:16 AM
By the looks of all of the trashy movies they are selling,I'm sure they support open gays/homo's in the military as well! Sickening fact the immoral things that are being accepted by the majority these days!!
What is so wrong with gays/homos in the military? If they deep down in their heart want to serve their country than thats what they should be able to do.
Im not gay or homo and Im conserative but seriously why discriminate on them if they want to fight for America?
What is so wrong with gays/homos in the military? If they deep down in their heart want to serve their country than thats what they should be able to do.
Im not gay or homo and Im conserative but seriously why discriminate on them if they want to fight for America?
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As a veteran myself, I commend their patriotism. I think it's more of a morale issue, and a safety concern for all parties involved.
Quote from: Last Strut Calls on May 07, 2011, 02:45:49 PM
Quote from: S.C.C on May 06, 2011, 11:51:16 AM
By the looks of all of the trashy movies they are selling,I'm sure they support open gays/homo's in the military as well! Sickening fact the immoral things that are being accepted by the majority these days!!
What is so wrong with gays/homos in the military? If they deep down in their heart want to serve their country than thats what they should be able to do.
Im not gay or homo and Im conserative but seriously why discriminate on them if they want to fight for America?
You may be on to something. Why stop at homos?? Let's open it up to all perversions just so long as they are patriotic.
QuoteI think it was just a far right organization taking a rumor and running with it.
Yep, isn't the American Family Association run by Donald Wildmon? If this is indeed the group headed or founded by him then they are nut cases. They famously once wanted the cartoon "Mighty Mouse" banned because they claimed an episode where he sniffed a flower was trying to promote cocaine usage to kids. No, I'm not kidding. They are that crazy.
Quoteor sexual content in entertainment
Yeah the deal with their pornography claims against certain companies often comes down to the them having a much lower threshold (insanely low IMHO) for what they call porn. You say that word to most people and it conjures a pretty specific image of what you mean. The AFA on the other had sees pornography in movies that would air without problem on the Hallmark or Disney channel.
Quote from: Todd1700 on May 08, 2011, 03:30:21 PM
QuoteI think it was just a far right organization taking a rumor and running with it.
Yep, isn't the American Family Association run by Donald Wildmon? If this is indeed the group headed or founded by him then they are nut cases. They famously once wanted the cartoon "Mighty Mouse" banned because they claimed an episode where he sniffed a flower was trying to promote cocaine usage to kids. No, I'm not kidding. They are that crazy.
Don Wildmon is the founder of AFA. We all have the right to express our own opinions, and thanks for expressing yours.
What some would see as "crazy", others would view as caution. If one were to err, is it not better to err on the side of caution? Tolerance and choice are very popular buzzwords in our society today. These words are paraded around by many people to support many causes. When it comes right down to it... many of those people that use these words to support their own causes are some of the most intolerant people around.
I have heard only briefly about the founding of AFA, but am very familiar with what they do today. I strongly support their mission and listen to their programming more than any other radio or internet based station. I grew up in the 70's... not a time of complete innocence to be sure. However, I so wish that my kids could have grown up in a time with less objectionable materials, advertising and information competing for their attention. Even a trip to the checkout counter at the grocery store offers much more vivid enticements to draw kids from a conservative upbringing than when I was a kid.
Some laugh it off and call it crazy or prudish or whatever. It truly saddens me (not like the guy on the couch in the geico commercial) to see people so unaware of the state of society around them, and the things that have negatively contributed to its demise. It's sad to see people condemned for making an effort, devoting their lives to making a positive contribution to the improvement (i.e. cleaning up) of society. As previously stated MULTIPLE TIMES, there is no arm twisting, no condemning of others, etc. involved. AFA simply provides information and a means to contact companies that promote lifestyles or choices that many find offensive. They hold to the principles of "One nation under God". They support the values and ideals of our founding fathers and our Heavenly Father.
You made reference to a cartoon and the supposed "subliminal" reference to drug use. If only we still lived in an era where marketers, producers and promoters were so subtle. Now we have shows airing in prime time, targeted specifically at teens and pre-teens that openly promote a homosexual lifestyle (Glee). We have "cartoons" with vile, cursing babies and unfaithful fathers caught in a plethora of deviant and irreverent acts and call the show "Family Guy"? Please, tell me there is no need to call a spade a spade and hold someone responsible when they contribute to the further decline of society.
Everyone has to choose where they stand.