Here is the pattern the Remington nitro #5 put up at 30 yards. Not the best I have seen but good enough. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190414/6071e4ab96725613d89c5915cef5ee99.jpg)
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I have never been able to get any Remington shells to pattern worth a crap in any of shotguns
I had really good luck with the premier loads that they make. The cheap loads are hit or miss on patterns
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That will drop them for you edward.penny. I doubled with Remington Nitro #6's 12 ga at 25 yards last year. Both Toms DRT. While not the the super tighten patterns some high end rounds provide. I find them more than enough for the ranges I shoot at, i.e. out to 30 yards. And at $7 a box, I consider them a great value. Here last year's pattern at 25 yards.
Worst patterning load past 25 yards or so I have ever shot, save for the Hornady crap. The old premiere turky loads (olive green hull, with black brass) were absolute monsters. Still have a whole box of the 2 1/4 oz 4s and might run them through my 835 and Lohman Longshot tube if I'm feeling nostalgic one of these days. Honestly, you can do better than the current Remy lead loads and spend maybe 2 bucks more for the Winchesters Super Xs, or about twice as much (still MUCH CHEAPER than htl loads), for the longbeards.