I updated my Remington Specialty 870 Turkey Shotgun this season. I have killed many many turkeys with that shotgun with the factory choke and your standard Remington or Federal turkey shells. This year I added a Primos Jelly Head Choke and purchased a box of the Hevi-13, 4-5-6 shot in a 3.5 shotshell. Last week I called in a nice mature Osceola, his head was bright red and I lined the barrel up and pulled the trigger and missed clean. He took off running down the fence line. The recoil was very severe, the shotgun flew up and came out of my hands and to rest in my lap. The spend shell automatically ejected. I guess I was not holding the gun tight enough. If I been shooting my old factory choke and copper plated Remington shells I would have killed that turkey. I was very surprised with the felt recoil using the Hev-13 in the 3.5 shell. I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same thing.
Did you pattern it beforehand? Point of impact vs point of aim may be off. Stepping up like that turns your shotgun into a rifle at closer ranges.
I've never noticed the recoil when shooting a turkey. Do feel it on the range though.
Doesnt the bullet leave the gun before you get recoil anyway or am I wrong??
I know my 870 supermag always had the auto eject feature when I fired it from a hunting position!! Pull the trigger, shake the cartoon birds out of my head, and close the action! But unless something was wrong shell, gun, or aim it shouldn't effect what goes down range. Also from my own experience the Winchester HV 3.5s are worse than the hevi's, but they all kick!
It may have been that if you let the gun jump out of your hands. If you hold on to it that will not affect the POI to miss. If you did not pattern the gun it may have been a very small pattern. Get cheap shell shoot 50 ft with that choke and your other choke. Then pattern the choke you going to hunt with at 40.
You didn't shoot it first? I am assuming you shot heavy shot magblends, 5 6 7's Magblends kick but I don't think they kick as much as some other , winchester hv , federal copperplated flight control ect..
I would bet the POI is off from where it used to be. I was patterning my gun today, and the Mag Blends had a different POI than the Hevi 13 7's by about 10 inches left to right, and 5 inches up and down, at 40 yards. With a tight pattern, that's enough to miss a bird clean. I'd pattern the gun before you head to the woods again. And if you want to loosen some teeth, get youself a box of the winchester 3.5' High Velocity lead version, and let er rip, lol. Those things are wicked.
Sounds like you weren't holding the gun tight to your shoulder which when you pulled the trigger could have affected POI. No matter you should always shoot to confirm POI with POA.
As far as recoil is concerned I've always preferred a gas operated semi-auto - less recoil and quick followup shot capability.
I always pattern any new shells before hitting the field. In my 835 magblends shoot 6-10" left at 45 yards compared to lead. Stock, my 835 auto ejected magblends due to recoil. The gun rocked my shoulder back and as the gun pitched forward the momentum racked the slide. I installed a Knoxx stock and the problem stopped. BTW the Knoxx stock is the best money I have ever spent. I shot 10 rounds of 3.5" magblends wearing a T-shirt last month and didn't even get a bruise.
Quote from: tactikel on April 27, 2011, 09:37:05 PM
I installed a Knoxx stock and the problem stopped. BTW the Knoxx stock is the best money I have ever spent.
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Quote from: jperrotti on April 27, 2011, 03:16:52 PM
Did you pattern it beforehand? Point of impact vs point of aim may be off. Stepping up like that turns your shotgun into a rifle at closer ranges.
I've never noticed the recoil when shooting a turkey. Do feel it on the range though.
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Limbsaver.
I am now shooting the 3.5" MB's. For me they kick alot more than the 3.5" Winchester Supreme Elites.
They shoot 3" left and 3" higher than other shells I am shooting. I did get 193 and 207 out of my 20" 835 and PG choke last week. I will be rocking them this spring.
Quote from: Gobble! on April 27, 2011, 03:28:31 PM
Doesnt the bullet leave the gun before you get recoil anyway or am I wrong??
You are correct. The only way recoil affects the POI is if it causes you to flinch out of fear of the gun going "bang".
You could set the gun on two sandbags and fire it with a hydraulic trigger, or you could strap it down solid in one of those lead sled contraptions, or you could place the butt stock against a brick wall.......the POI would remain the same in all scenarios.
If this were not the case, guns, especially long range rifles, would be highly inaccurate due to the variations in the way they are anchored before the shot.
Nobody would be able to shoot their buddy's gun accurately.
Quote from: Gobble! on April 27, 2011, 03:28:31 PM
Doesnt the bullet leave the gun before you get recoil anyway or am I wrong??
Well kinda true. Actually the recoil is instantaneously felt. When the load is fired, the force needed to push the lead is pushing back on the gun also. Mass of the lead x velocity of the lead = Mass of the gun x velocity of the gun. This is a simultaneous equation. As one happens the other also happens. The reason this does not have much affect on the POI is because the lead is leaving the barrel in a small fraction of a second. 1300fps x 12 in/ft = 15600 in/second. So on a 23" barrel the shot has left the barrel in .00147 seconds. Not much barrel jump in that time.
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Quote from: Gobble! on April 27, 2011, 03:28:31 PM
Doesnt the bullet leave the gun before you get recoil anyway or am I wrong??
I saw a slow motion shot of someone shooting a rifle and the bullet exited the barrel prior to the recoil. It was on that show Top Shots on the History channel. the best investment I made was a Limbsaver Slip on recoil pad and when I moved up to 3.5" shells a Beartooth comb raising kit helped cure the cheek slap. Those Win. HV's 3.85" kick right bad also.
Quote from: trkehunr93 on April 28, 2011, 09:37:34 AM
Quote from: Gobble! on April 27, 2011, 03:28:31 PM
Doesnt the bullet leave the gun before you get recoil anyway or am I wrong??
I saw a slow motion shot of someone shooting a rifle and the bullet exited the barrel prior to the recoil. It was on that show Top Shots on the History channel. the best investment I made was a Limbsaver Slip on recoil pad and when I moved up to 3.5" shells a Beartooth comb raising kit helped cure the cheek slap. Those Win. HV's 3.85" kick right bad also.
The shot can not leave the barrel before recoil. What you are seeing in movement is the reaction to the recoil. Again, the shot is gone in .0015 sec., even faster in a rifle. The reaction will occur over the next .5 sec. or so. The point is this will not affect the shot placement of a shotgun at 40 yards.
The bottom line is was my fault that I missed. That gobbler was no more then 20 yards and I am thinking with the Jelly Head choke and the Hevi-13 blend, the pattern had to be very tight and I missed. I was just surprised that the amount of recoil those shells produce. I have been using .12 Ga, 3.5 inch shells for a number of years, but with those Hevi-13 blend shells the recoil was like getting kicked by a horse. Next time I will hold on to the gun tighter and aim a little better. I am heading to Tennessee this weekend to finish out my season up on the Cumberland Plateau.
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You must not have had a hold of that gun. When you are shooting at a gobbler, the recoil shouldn't even register.
Limbsaver and three inch Mag Blends will do it for me.