I bought an 870 Express Supermag as a backup turkey gun and have been experimenting with Longbeard #5, 2 oz shells with both a Remington Superfull and Carlson .680 flush mount chokes. When the weather was cooler it seemed to shoot pretty straight. Now if I zero at 15-20 yards the pattern at 40 shoots way to the right regardless of which choke I use. I am so baffled. Any thoughts on this?
Could the barrel be bad?
Thanks in advance for your responses!
I'd take a venture to guess your body is tired of shooting turkey loads and you're pulling them. ;D
I'm not a big fellow, but I can only pattern a shot or two at a time. They start going everywhere after that.
I shoot 3.5 longbeard #5's too. I shoot trap loads at 25 yards and get dialed in. Then I shoot 1 or 2big boys to check it. Nobody wants that kind of recoil sighting in. If you shoot too much then you will be all over the place. Make sure that your pattern is where you want it at 25, then you know its good out to 40. Once you get right at 25, puit the gun away. Try it cold at 40 the next day and it will be fine. I am 6'2" and weigh 280, and I even wince sighting in. Once its there, shooting at a live target takes the sting out of the recoil. :z-twocents: Al Baker
Thanks guys. I'm not pulling them to the right as Ive tried this several times over the course of several days. If I zero at 25 I'm guessing I will be way left at 15.
Quote from: CALLM2U on May 10, 2018, 01:17:01 PM
I'd take a venture to guess your body is tired of shooting turkey loads and you're pulling them. ;D
I'm not a big fellow, but I can only pattern a shot or two at a time. They start going everywhere after that.
:z-winnersmiley:
Quote from: BDeal on May 10, 2018, 02:00:26 PM
Thanks guys. I'm not pulling them to the right as Ive tried this several times over the course of several days. If I zero at 25 I'm guessing I will be way left at 15.
I'm not sure what makes you think you aren't pulling them?
It happened several times over several days?
Yup - a flinch is a flinch is a flinch is a pull.
What do you mean by 'zero' are you shooting a sight/scope?
What happens when someone else shoots it?
Last year my buddy had an SBE2 that was 2 feet high and waaaaay left with turkey loads. But only when he shot it.
Shoot a dove load at 15 and 25 to confirm it's the shell and not the shooter.
I have 2 shotguns shooting 3.5 inch shells out of both. I shoot consistently straight with the other gun. I don't believe I'm consistently flinching with one and not the other. I've never had an issue in the past.
And yes I'm using an adjustable sight
And I'll try a light shell and see what happens. I hope it's just me but I'm not so sure about that
Could be the barrel as well. I've heard of some not being perfectly straight from the factory and throwing patterns off at longer distances.
Zero it at forty with your hunting loads then test it at 20. It's gonna hurt, so do a little at a time.
Ive shot a ton of different turkey loads over the years and longbeard xrs are the only ones i can remember that had different POI left and right.Ive had loads shoot higher and lower, but for some reason the XRS would be off to the side a few inches.
I hunted with the Longbeard XR #5 in the 3" and my 870 Express Super Mag for the first time this year without firing a test shot (Brother in Law gave me the first 3 I had and it's a long story) and killed two birds real dead, real quick. One of the shots was at a distance that I wont mention too precisely for fear of opening that debate again. Long story made short is they worked really, really well. So well in fact that I went and bought some. So, my guess is that it aint the loads.
Quote from: joey46 on May 11, 2018, 05:35:11 AM
As a last resort tighten the barrel down with channel locks. An 870 will do at least three clicks past finger tight. Those that participate in pattern competition often do this. Shooting off a Lead Sled will eliminate any flinch concerns.
This !!! What he said tighten,lead sled,and shooting table..
Shifting points of impact have been reported in the past.. Some of those people chose other loads and problems went away. You could try it.
I was one of the guys with poi problems with the LB. It wasn't just a little either and I wasn't the only one having the same results. I haven't shot them since. Most cases were with super tight chokes. I talked to one guy that was using them and he had missed a gobbler. He test fired a few more rounds and sure enough said they were hitting here then there. He told me it was his new red dot sight and that it had to be fried or messed up already. I asked what choke and loads he was using and he said a really tight custom choke and LB shells. So of course I told him my findings and told him it could be those shells in that super tight choke. Naaah he said his new sight will be in shortly then he'll get after them again after getting her redialed back in. I didn't bump into him for probably a month or so after season was out and asked him how it worked out. He said not good. He had called in another bird and missed again and never got another shot at one. So he reshot paper and the poi was once again all over the place with the same shells. He agreed it had to be them.
Here is one thing to try...... He some one load or not load your gun and hand it to you...... So when you aim, gun goes boom or not..... If you 100% don't know if a shell is in the gun..... You will tell right when you pull the trigger if you flinch or not......
I've been with people and used this...... It's an eye opener..... Sometimes on hunting videos they pull trigger gun movers 3-6" and doesn't go BOOM....... OPPs.....
Try it, sometimes it can happen to seasoned shooters.....
Good luck.
Quote from: ShootingABN! on May 12, 2018, 07:09:01 AM
Here is one thing to try...... He some one load or not load your gun and hand it to you...... So when you aim, gun goes boom or not..... If you 100% don't know if a shell is in the gun..... You will tell right when you pull the trigger if you flinch or not......
I've been with people and used this...... It's an eye opener..... Sometimes on hunting videos they pull trigger gun movers 3-6" and doesn't go BOOM....... OPPs.....
Try it, sometimes it can happen to seasoned shooters.....
Good luck.
I do this exact thing with my stepson. He has the world's WORST flinch when he shoots-at game or not and it doesn't matter if it's turkeys, deer, even at waterfowl when you shouldn't even have the chance to flinch. I always randomly close the chamber empty. It's almost comical to watch him flinch like an epileptic. Lol
Sounds like a lot at guys should go to a 20 gauge.
That or get to the range with some field loads and practice and practice.
My new 11-87 did the same with LB's two different chokes and cap was tight so I bought a Stoeger and same shells shot great out to 50 yards on a target nice pattern.
Quote from: pabossie255 on May 13, 2018, 11:06:02 AM
My new 11-87 did the same with LB's two different chokes and cap was tight so I bought a Stoeger and same shells shot great out to 50 yards on a target nice pattern.
Had heard about something like that with a guy changing the chokes and he said that worked for him.Was a while back on this forum.
I had tried 3 guns and different chokes and had no luck.
Longshanks on here did some extensive shooting and chased the same problem.
Maybe he will chime in?
With the petals also falling off the overshot card and the rattlers from broken resin , I just gave up .
Now the primer issue to. Good luck.