I have a spayed 3 year old blackmouth cur. She is an amazing and fast hunter. Here in Northern Illinois she is the queen of the woods. She gets the squirrels in the trees, and the rabbits in front of you. I wanted a meat dog, I got one. She even dispatches coons for farmers, and friends with problems with vermin. The issue I have is this. I have a 48 inch gate, the only small part of the fence. If she sees a small dog, the damn dog can jump the fence, bite her victim, and get back over the fence before you can zap her with the training collar. I had a special area/run built for her that his eight feet high, and its been working out.....what else can I do other than shock the crap out of her near that gate. She may be given to a kid or man that can hunt her, and not give her small dogs meandering to their demise in our small town. I dont want to put her down, but opinions would be appreciated. AL
If I lived near you,...or anybody else with the same situation,...I would solve your problem for you very quickly if I was walking my dog and yours came off of your property and attacked my dog. My advice would be to get rid of the dog as fast as you can before you lose everything you own in a lawsuit.
I would take Gobblenuts advice, especially since you just admitted publicly that the dog may be a problem.
Quote from: Coroner01 on April 23, 2018, 08:38:03 AM
I have a spayed 3 year old blackmouth cur. She is an amazing and fast hunter. Here in Northern Illinois she is the queen of the woods. She gets the squirrels in the trees, and the rabbits in front of you. I wanted a meat dog, I got one. She even dispatches coons for farmers, and friends with problems with vermin. The issue I have is this. I have a 48 inch gate, the only small part of the fence. If she sees a small dog, the damn dog can jump the fence, bite her victim, and get back over the fence before you can zap her with the training collar. I had a special area/run built for her that his eight feet high, and its been working out.....what else can I do other than shock the crap out of her near that gate. She may be given to a kid or man that can hunt her, and not give her small dogs meandering to their demise in our small town. I dont want to put her down, but opinions would be appreciated. AL
That stinks what makes her a good hunting dog makes her a bad neighborhood dog. Any way to put in a much higher gate
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If you really like the dog, why not work with it instead of giving up? You could have a friend or someone walk a dog by and try to train her every day. I would also explain to the neighbors the situation so they know your trying to work with her. If you don't have the time and energy to work with her I would find her a home like everyone else mentioned.
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You didn't say what kind of bmc your gyp is, so I suspect it may not be one. An awful lot of pit mixes are passed off as bmcs. Negligent breeding in that kind of dog is bad news. People used to cull such mistakes. Now they want to "re-home" them for a fee because they haven't the sense or fortitude to do what's right.
As for the attacking dogs, that's not a training collar issue. That is a poor training and lack of socialization issue. That is a a you haven't let it know you will not tolerate fighting with other dogs issue. You don't solve that by pushing a button. You solve that with exposure to other dogs and making it think it's world has come to an end if it acts aggressively to another dog. Kinda hard to do that in public nowadays what with the perverse softening of attitudes and animal rightists pouring money in to politicians and lawsuits. But, that's what you have to do, make it thing you're some kind of magic and will rain hellfire and brimstone upon it if it so much as growls at another dog.
If it can't be broken, the next step is to cull it and get a well-bred dog that is worth your time.
I've owned and trained all kinds of hunting dogs including black mouth curs. Your dog sounds like a good one--but yes they can be aggressive--it naturel for them. I would not get rid of the dog over this. Electricity is a great way to beak a dog from doing something that you don't want them to do. I'd put a electrified wire on the top of the gate. I bet you can buy a unit at the local co-op like they use for a electric cattle fence. Once they get shocked--it will stop the gate climbing. In fact--after a time or two you can turn it off--they don't forget.
If you are set on keeping the dog, build a dog-run or enclosure the dog cannot escape from...
My hunting dogs are important to me, and I have an enclosure that as long as I secure properly the dogs cannot escape from... Not for the protection of other dogs, but for the safety of my own dogs.
If your dog does escape and injurs or kills another dog (or worse a child), be prepared to pony up a considerable amount of money... Personally, I would have no desire to own a dog that was such a liability... Too much risk.
It's your fault.You should never harm a dog, shock, any of that.You should move to a better spot.
Quote from: High plains drifter on April 23, 2018, 09:00:05 PM
It's your fault.You should never harm a dog, shock, any of that.You should move to a better spot.
If you expect compliance from a dog, then a method of correction is 100% necessary. Not a matter of opinion, but fact.
So at the present time, my Knierem yellow black mouth cur resides in an eight foot high privacy fence enclosure that is approximately the size of a one car plus garage. She Is escorted in the morning, and walked at night with the kids. I put a muzzle on her, and she has seemed to comply the last two days without incident. I am installing a "hot" wire on the fence that cannot be changed in height at this time, however she is not allowed in that area of the yard any more. Now that my hours have changed from 3-11 to 6am-2pm, we are going on long walks in the country to wear her out. Ill keep you all posted. AL
just put her on a run so she cant jump the fence.
That is an idea as well. We are happy our contractor enclosed that part of the yard for us, when we get the rest of the area she is not allowed in landscaped, I think a run would be perfect to keep her in check as well. My wife feels that the dog and I need the summer to curve her ways and mine, to decide whether or not to keep her where she is at. She is a great meat dog, I average 100 squirrels a season, along with 30 rabbits. She caught at least five of the rabbits on a dead run. I fear the small dog thing is a prey issue. I am going to muzzle her in a couple weeks and work with introductions to small dogs with training collar in hand. Thanks gang for all the positive feedback. al
My Boykin is on a run all the time when he is out, works great no worries about him getting off property. Mike
Can you send me pics of your set up. My cell is 815-298-7206. Thank you very much for the feedback. You could post them here as well. Thanks for everything. We are on day 4 of the enclosure, and she and our lab have accepted it as routine now. I put her collar on, turn it on. She is walked with the lab to the enclosure. They sit in the middle of it, I feed and water them. I pet them, close the gate. My mother in law stated that they don't even bark when they are in it. She stopped and listened several times the last four days. I think the run will help not "alienate" her from her pack which is us. AL
Aggression is a dominant trait in dog dreeding. It will be very hard to get that out of her ,and it may be impossible. MOST of the time aggression is not a thing able to over come. And aggression and grit are 2 very different things
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Quote from: Coroner01 on April 24, 2018, 07:28:37 AM
That s an idea as well. We are happy our contractor enclosed that part of the yard for us, when we get the rest of the area she is not allowed in landscaped, I think a run would be perfect to keep her in check as well. My wife feels that the dog and I need the summer to curve her ways and mine, to decide whether or not to keep her where she is at. She is a great meat dog, I average 100 squirrels a season, along with 30 rabbits. She caught at least five of the rabbits on a dead run. I fear the small dog thing is a prey issue. I am going to muzzle her in a couple weeks and work with introductions to small dogs with training collar in hand. Thanks gang for all the positive feedback. al
I am no expert, but I have used a collar on my labs with great success... But not on aggression... Not sure how that would work?
The dog must be collar conditioned, and I use the collar to reinforce behavior the dog already knows, or to dissuade behavior the dog already understands is bad. You CANNOT teach a dog with a collar, you can only reinforce behavior... Using a collar improperly is a sure way to ruin a dog, or create aggression.
Easy. Beat the thing within an inch of it's life if it does it. If it keeps doing it, then bye bye. Going to be hard to break at this point. I've run dogs all my life and bad habits were always dealt with swiftly and seriously. I'm not advocating abusing any dog. But a beating or two is certainly better than having to put the dog down because of bad behavior or habits
Strong words GobbleNut for someone asking for advice. I don't think you can lose everything for dog on dog crime, but then again I'm no lawyer. If someone took care of something out side of my residence however, things would escalate quickly. Don't put the dog down. If it is a cur and will hunt, It's worth some cash.
Quote from: Bearhunter247 on April 25, 2018, 02:05:18 PM
Aggression is a dominant trait in dog dreeding. It will be very hard to get that out of her ,and it may be impossible. MOST of the time aggression is not a thing able to over come. And aggression and grit are 2 very different things
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Dominant traits come from genes stacking. Not gonna get into a breeding thing. Now this sort of post annoys me. I've been a dog guy all my life and I can't understand how anyone let's bad behavior go on. Certainly attacking other dogs is bad behavior.
I agree w gobblenut. If it was me standing there and a dog came over the fence after my dog I'd fix it for ya.
Fix it, put it down, cage it. Whatever it takes. Keep it away from me and you can keep Godzilla if you're my neighbor.
Now what you should have done the very first time this happened is a very negative response from you. Similar to something farmboy said. You made the problem worse by allowing it to continue.