I was just wondering if anybody has ever used this product, it is something I am thinking on getting over the summer because of my shoulder surgeries to make deer hunting a bit easier on me. I also intend to add a recoil pad from Limbsaver. Have you heard good or bad about it? Graco BreaKO Mercury Recoil Reducer Standard 7/8" x 4" 14 oz
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/678973/graco-breako-mercury-recoil-reducer-standard-7-8-x-4-14-oz Thank you for any help given.
Not familiar with that product. 14 ounces of lead in the butt stock will work just as well and costs about 80 cents. A muzzle break will tame your rifle down considerably.
Quote from: Ozark Ridge Runner on April 13, 2018, 05:28:05 AM
Not familiar with that product. 14 ounces of lead in the butt stock will work just as well and costs about 80 cents. A muzzle break will tame your rifle down considerably.
I am not interested in a muzzlebreak due to the increased noise, how would you go about adding lead? Thank you for the reply.
A lot of trap and skeet Shooters use those Mercury shock absorber ideas in their butt stock. Basically any high-volume shooters.Thy seem to help
Try " Stock Lock", website is , www.StockLockSystem.com. They do competition shotgun stocks with recoil systems. If they can't do it, they can point you in the right direction
Quote from: dutch@fx4 on April 13, 2018, 06:18:54 AM
A lot of trap and skeet Shooters use those Mercury shock absorber ideas in their butt stock. Basically any high-volume shooters.Thy seem to help
Yes that is where I intend to put it, well in the back anyway, gun has a one piece stock. Thanks for the reply.
Quote from: zelmo1 on April 13, 2018, 06:53:52 AM
Try " Stock Lock", website is , www.StockLockSystem.com. They do competition shotgun stocks with recoil systems. If they can't do it, they can point you in the right direction
Thank you for the suggestion but their cheapest stock is $1500.00 and that is more than I make in a month! I about had a heart seizure when I saw the prices.
What gun and loads are you shooting, and what type of environment do you deer hunt in?
I've seen guys who have never had a shot further than 100 yards because they hunt in heavily wooded areas insist they need a 300 Rem ultra mag to shoot a whitetail when a 243 is more than enough gun and a 30-30 would do the job easily...
There are a lot of ways to tame recoil.
Don't poo-poo the muzzle brake ( it isn't breaking the muzzle, rather braking it) - you can get an acceptable set of noise reducing muffs for a pretty low price.
Adding weight will help a lot.
And an often overlooked method is to handload. Every swinging richard is always looking for the hottest, fastest 1000 yard load which is just silly.tone the load down a bit and you take a lot of bite out of the recoil.
Good luck in your quest.
Quote from: spaightlabs on April 13, 2018, 08:58:41 AM
What gun and loads are you shooting, and what type of environment do you deer hunt in?
I've seen guys who have never had a shot further than 100 yards because they hunt in heavily wooded areas insist they need a 300 Rem ultra mag to shoot a whitetail when a 243 is more than enough gun and a 30-30 would do the job easily...
There are a lot of ways to tame recoil.
Don't poo-poo the muzzle brake ( it isn't breaking the muzzle, rather braking it) - you can get an acceptable set of noise reducing muffs for a pretty low price.
Adding weight will help a lot.
And an often overlooked method is to handload. Every swinging richard is always looking for the hottest, fastest 1000 yard load which is just silly.tone the load down a bit and you take a lot of bite out of the recoil.
Good luck in your quest.
I am not the greatest shot so no I am not trying to get a 1000 yard shot. I do have reloading equipment but have to relearn it and learn if further as I was out of the game for 17 years so I have forgotten most of what I had learned back then. I am loading Nosler bullets for all calibers I shoot, the deer gun being a 30.06 and if I recall correctly they are either 165 gr. or 180 gr. projectiles and I am using Winchester brass. I have a Pact digital dispenser and scale as well as the Lee 75th Anniversary scale and press but I use the digital more as it is easier for me to read. I also have digital Calipers. I will post picture below of the Pact equipment I have but it is not my personal picture, just one I took from the net to show you what I have.
Most of my stuff is at a friends who was teaching me to reload but he has been through a lot with cancer so he had moved back in with his mother and left his house to his son who moved everything to who knows where so right now I am having a hard time getting anything but I know I need to before summer as I want to load some .222 and .243 for woodchucks.
Before you suggest the .243 I should point out that it was set up as strictly a woodchuck gun and has a huge 50 MM scope on it and it not the best for deer hunting because of that. I always shot it off a Harris bipod.
I would rather not have to wear muffs because to be honest I do not have great eyes (Multiple surgeries on both when I was a kid) and I have heard every animal I have ever shot far before I saw it and rely heavily on my ears when hunting and this is why I do not want to go with a muzzle break.
As far as environment goes it is a mix of fields and woods normally. Unless I have a good rest I really don't shoot over 100-150 yards as I want to be fair to the animal and not wound it.
Thank you for the good luck wishes.
A reduced load and some weight added will take recoil down to unnoticeable while still having plenty of smack for 150 yard deer. If you can trade around to a 25/06 or .260 Rem/6.5 Creedmoor, using 120gr bullets at full velocity will do the same.
My friend has one in his 20 gauge due to severe neck problems. Not sure it's the same brand, but his definitely helps with felt recoil.
I like where your head is at! If you are shooting under 200 your chances of making a very ethical kill are greatly enhanced - thank you for your respect for the game!
You might give these a try to see how they work for you.
https://www.remington.com/ammunition/centerfire-rifle/managed-recoil.
I have a very light 12 ga o/u that my wife got me for our 10th anniversary. No recoil pad. For high volume shooting like dove or pigeon or sporting clays I always shoot low velocity, low noise rounds - never a problem and they kill just well. If I try to run snappier rounds through that for a day it beats me half to death.
Quote from: howl on April 13, 2018, 10:10:35 AM
A reduced load and some weight added will take recoil down to unnoticeable while still having plenty of smack for 150 yard deer. If you can trade around to a 25/06 or .260 Rem/6.5 Creedmoor, using 120gr bullets at full velocity will do the same.
I would rather come up with another load to be honest, I rather like the gun though I do wish I had gotten a clip fed one. Thank you for the recommendations though.
Quote from: Tail Feathers on April 13, 2018, 10:49:26 AM
My friend has one in his 20 gauge due to severe neck problems. Not sure it's the same brand, but his definitely helps with felt recoil.
That is encouraging to hear, thank you.
I put the same style in a Benelli Nova to tame the 3.5" duck and turkey loads I shot when I was young (and dumb). It most assuredly made a big difference in felt recoil.
Quote from: spaightlabs on April 13, 2018, 11:14:39 AM
I like where your head is at! If you are shooting under 200 your chances of making a very ethical kill are greatly enhanced - thank you for your respect for the game!
You might give these a try to see how they work for you.
https://www.remington.com/ammunition/centerfire-rifle/managed-recoil.
I have a very light 12 ga o/u that my wife got me for our 10th anniversary. No recoil pad. For high volume shooting like dove or pigeon or sporting clays I always shoot low velocity, low noise rounds - never a problem and they kill just well. If I try to run snappier rounds through that for a day it beats me half to death.
You have to be fair to the animal you are hunting, you have a responsibility to take them ethically. I am no animal rights activist or anything, I don't believe that animals feel things the same as humans do though I do believe they feel pain, just not to the same extent we do and we have to limit what they feel by making the best shots that we can within our personal and real limits, not only for the sake of our quarry but for the sake of our sport.
I remember when I got my bow hunting certificate one of the guys in the club looked at me and said that he hated bow hunters because he was sick of seeing deer running around with antennas sticking out of them. I was offended because I had not even shot an arrow at anything living yet but I was being categorized for something somebody else had done. In all honesty though I think the guy is a jerk for this comment and just his general personality he made me a better archer because I wanted to be more aware of what I was doing so he and others could not use it against me. That and as I said I don't have great eyes so I limit my bow shots to 30 yards for deer and I think I would do the same for most other animals. I am the same with shooting turkey, 25-30 yards tops for me, I owe it to them to make a clean ethical shot. I have been picked on more than once for not taking shots that I was not comfortable with with bow, shotgun and rifle but I would rather know that I did what was right for me.
The other reason is I simply don't want to give anti's anything to say "Look at what this guy did"
I added a Limbsaver and about 4-6 oz of lead shot in the stock of my 835. It tamed the recoil of 3 1/2 inchers down to a 20 gauge. Since the 835 has a hollow stock, I got a piece of styrofoam from Hobby Lobby and cut it down to fit snuggly inside the stock. I then took a sock and put about 4-6 ozs of lead shot in the sock, put several layers of duct tape around the sock, cut off enough Styrofoam so the sock would fit snuggly in the rear of the stock and you have a recoil reducer. It also helped to balance the gun as well.
Quote from: bbcoach on April 13, 2018, 12:45:59 PM
I added a Limbsaver and about 4-6 oz of lead shot in the stock of my 835. It tamed the recoil of 3 1/2 inchers down to a 20 gauge. Since the 835 has a hollow stock, I got a piece of styrofoam from Hobby Lobby and cut it down to fit snuggly inside the stock. I then took a sock and put about 4-6 ozs of lead shot in the sock, put several layers of duct tape around the sock, cut off enough Styrofoam so the sock would fit snuggly in the rear of the stock and you have a recoil reducer. It also helped to balance the gun as well.
Neat idea.
I have had both of my shoulders operated on a couple of times and I use just a limbsaver pad on all my rifles and shotguns. I also use a leadsled when sighting and testing any loads before season. Haven't shot much wing birds but when i do i use a semi-auto. My shoulder holds up fine with these methods
Quote from: Sir-diealot on April 13, 2018, 12:04:27 PM
Quote from: howl on April 13, 2018, 10:10:35 AM
A reduced load and some weight added will take recoil down to unnoticeable while still having plenty of smack for 150 yard deer. If you can trade around to a 25/06 or .260 Rem/6.5 Creedmoor, using 120gr bullets at full velocity will do the same.
I would rather come up with another load to be honest, I rather like the gun though I do wish I had gotten a clip fed one. Thank you for the recommendations though.
Around 40gr H4895 and a 150gr soft bullet will do the trick. Get the gun up to eight pounds or more if it isn't already.
I worked up a .243 load that is pure death on deer. Don't underestimate small calibers with the right bullet and velocity.
Quote from: Jasonb53 on April 13, 2018, 02:46:36 PM
I have had both of my shoulders operated on a couple of times and I use just a limbsaver pad on all my rifles and shotguns. I also use a leadsled when sighting and testing any loads before season. Haven't shot much wing birds but when i do i use a semi-auto. My shoulder holds up fine with these methods
I will be shooting a semi-auto for turkey but the deer gun is a bolt action.
Quote from: howl on April 13, 2018, 03:13:29 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on April 13, 2018, 12:04:27 PM
Quote from: howl on April 13, 2018, 10:10:35 AM
A reduced load and some weight added will take recoil down to unnoticeable while still having plenty of smack for 150 yard deer. If you can trade around to a 25/06 or .260 Rem/6.5 Creedmoor, using 120gr bullets at full velocity will do the same.
I would rather come up with another load to be honest, I rather like the gun though I do wish I had gotten a clip fed one. Thank you for the recommendations though.
Around 40gr H4895 and a 150gr soft bullet will do the trick. Get the gun up to eight pounds or more if it isn't already.
All I know is it will definitely be a Nosler round, ever thing I have loaded with Nosler have been absolute tac drivers. I have also shot nothing but their boat tailed ballistic tips and they have been great. I was running IMR 4064 for the .243 Winchester with a 55 gr. boat tailed ballistic tip with whatever the medium load was in the last book and all shots touched. I will see if they have anything in the size you suggest.
Quote from: Happy on April 13, 2018, 03:24:51 PM
I worked up a .243 load that is pure death on deer. Don't underestimate small calibers with the right bullet and velocity.
Oh I don't, I just don't want to lug around a 50 MM scope right now until my shoulders have healed up some. That and they had to remove part of the bicep in my right arm when they did the rotator cuff surgery and I am right handed.