was wondering... guys shooting new federal tss shells. 3 1/2" should have around 800 (9 shot bb's) wonder why the pattern numbers are so low in the 10 pattern count seems off... am I missing something? i'm interested in shooting tss but trying to justify the price from my current longbeard ammo
well there are plenty of pellets outside of the 10 as well that can be counted in the halo of shot around the 10" circle
are you guy getting that much outside the 10?
I'm getting ~ 50/50 split, 350 in 10, another 300-325 in 10-20.
How much breast damage do you see with TSS and a 50/50, 350/350 split? I've seen one breast shot bird and the feathers and shot are hard to remove from the meat.
I' getting 402 in the !0' circle @ 40 yards with the 3" Federal TSS #9 thru my Remington 1187/Carlsons .640 turkey choke.
Quote from: SKFOOTER on March 29, 2018, 04:07:08 PM
I' getting 402 in the !0' circle @ 40 yards with the 3" Federal TSS #9 thru my Remington 1187/Carlsons .640 turkey choke.
Another example of the Federal TSS loving tight chokes. I think that's why you are seeing some low count Federal patterns. People are trying to use the knowledge gained with handloaded TSS shells, that those loads like more open chokes, but the Ferderal TSS loads like tight chokes.
Quote from: Gobble! on March 29, 2018, 09:20:29 PM
Quote from: SKFOOTER on March 29, 2018, 04:07:08 PM
I' getting 402 in the !0' circle @ 40 yards with the 3" Federal TSS #9 thru my Remington 1187/Carlsons .640 turkey choke.
Another example of the Federal TSS loving tight chokes. I think that's why you are seeing some low count Federal patterns. People are trying to use the knowledge gained with handloaded TSS shells, that those loads like more open chokes, but the Ferderal TSS loads like tight chokes.
This is true. My hand loads all like a more open choke with the exception of a Indian creek choke. My 20 ga Benelli shooting a 1-5/8 ounce tss #9 load was devastating with a Indian creek.555
Maybe so, but Ill stick with a more open pattern. See no reason for more than ~350 in 10in. I'd rather have a nice even 20 in pattern. Dont plan on shooting far.
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Quote from: Gobspur on March 30, 2018, 09:15:02 AM
Maybe so, but Ill stick with a more open pattern. See no reason for more than ~350 in 10in. I'd rather have a nice even 20 in pattern. Dont plan on shooting far.
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Tough to beat a 350/325 pattern :icon_thumright:
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on March 29, 2018, 09:24:31 PM
Quote from: Gobble! on March 29, 2018, 09:20:29 PM
Quote from: SKFOOTER on March 29, 2018, 04:07:08 PM
I' getting 402 in the !0' circle @ 40 yards with the 3" Federal TSS #9 thru my Remington 1187/Carlsons .640 turkey choke.
Another example of the Federal TSS loving tight chokes. I think that's why you are seeing some low count Federal patterns. People are trying to use the knowledge gained with handloaded TSS shells, that those loads like more open chokes, but the Ferderal TSS loads like tight chokes.
This is true. My hand loads all like a more open choke with the exception of a Indian creek choke. My 20 ga Benelli shooting a 1-5/8 ounce tss #9 load was devastating with a Indian creek.555
How was your POA/POI with the IC .555 in the benelli 20? I have same set up but not had a chance to test it yet.
Quote from: bbcoach on March 29, 2018, 01:20:02 PM
How much breast damage do you see with TSS and a 50/50, 350/350 split? I've seen one breast shot bird and the feathers and shot are hard to remove from the meat.
Well I killed two birds last week in the 35-40 yd range - no breast damage. Only found one TSS pellet and it wasn't lodged in the breast meat.
Quote from: bbcoach on March 29, 2018, 01:20:02 PM
How much breast damage do you see with TSS and a 50/50, 350/350 split? I've seen one breast shot bird and the feathers and shot are hard to remove from the meat.
Shooting a 500/300 pattern I have not had any issue. I think its less of an issue with TSS as those pellets have a better chance of passing through, either way a breast shot bird is going to contain some damage.
No need to shoot a 12 with 3.5inch shells. Im getting 391 pellets in a 10inch circle at 40 yards with my 20ga and Jebs.
Drew
I talked to the guys at Rob Roberts when were were in AR snow goose hunting - they have done a ton of testing with their chokes on TSS - give them a call and talk to Doug if you want to see what they have been up to...
Quote from: Hunters Outdoor Addiction on March 29, 2018, 05:57:37 AM
was wondering... guys shooting new federal tss shells. 3 1/2" should have around 800 (9 shot bb's) wonder why the pattern numbers are so low in the 10 pattern count seems off... am I missing something? i'm interested in shooting tss but trying to justify the price from my current longbeard ammo
lots of comments on this thread are very misleading and should not be considered. There are two reasons for TSS, use a smaller gauge shotgun OR shooting further (which people do not like talking about on this website).
TSS gives you very heavy shot allowing good penetration with smaller pellet size which gives you higher pellet count. The fact is, 90-100 pellets in a 10inch circle (assuming they are evenly spread) at whatever distance (assuming the pellets can penetrate the bird to vitals) is ALL you want. Any more, and you are just adding more shot to the meat area. Any less and you risk a wounded bird. With any 12gauge shotgun, you can buy much cheaper ammo to achieve these numbers with #6 lead pellets (especially in a 3.5 inch magnum load). So why bother buying TSS? Well as I stated above, you can now use a 20, 28, or 410 size shotgun and achieve these same patterns with #9 shot. So why do they make TSS in 12gauge? Well, because more and more hunters want to shoot further than the typical 40 yard max distance. With 600-800 TSS pellets in a load, you can use a more modified choke yielding about 200 pellets in a 10inch circle at 40 yards and then 100 pellets in a 10in circle at much further distances. The TSS at these distances will still penetrate a gobbler just fine.
So basically what I am saying is unless you are using a smaller gauge shotgun OR you intend to shoot past 40 yards at turkeys...you are really wasting your money shooting TSS.
Super high pellet counts in a 10inch circle are simply a waste of meat and a waste of shot and honestly...indicate your pattern is likely too tight increasing your chance for a miss for close range shots under 20 yards.
Moderator...Please do not remove my comment about far distances I am just trying to relay information.
Quote from: Gobspur on April 10, 2018, 10:37:52 AM
Quote from: bbcoach on March 29, 2018, 01:20:02 PM
How much breast damage do you see with TSS and a 50/50, 350/350 split? I've seen one breast shot bird and the feathers and shot are hard to remove from the meat.
Well I killed two birds last week in the 35-40 yd range - no breast damage. Only found one TSS pellet and it wasn't lodged in the breast meat.
I am loving the IC .555 with the TSS in a 20 it is bad news for the turkeys for sure.
Can I ask what shells your shooting I have a 20 gauge also
Quote from: Bigeclipse on April 11, 2018, 02:39:03 PM
Quote from: Hunters Outdoor Addiction on March 29, 2018, 05:57:37 AM
was wondering... guys shooting new federal tss shells. 3 1/2" should have around 800 (9 shot bb's) wonder why the pattern numbers are so low in the 10 pattern count seems off... am I missing something? i'm interested in shooting tss but trying to justify the price from my current longbeard ammo
lots of comments on this thread are very misleading and should not be considered. There are two reasons for TSS, use a smaller gauge shotgun OR shooting further (which people do not like talking about on this website).
TSS gives you very heavy shot allowing good penetration with smaller pellet size which gives you higher pellet count. The fact is, 90-100 pellets in a 10inch circle (assuming they are evenly spread) at whatever distance (assuming the pellets can penetrate the bird to vitals) is ALL you want. Any more, and you are just adding more shot to the meat area. Any less and you risk a wounded bird. With any 12gauge shotgun, you can buy much cheaper ammo to achieve these numbers with #6 lead pellets (especially in a 3.5 inch magnum load). So why bother buying TSS? Well as I stated above, you can now use a 20, 28, or 410 size shotgun and achieve these same patterns with #9 shot. So why do they make TSS in 12gauge? Well, because more and more hunters want to shoot further than the typical 40 yard max distance. With 600-800 TSS pellets in a load, you can use a more modified choke yielding about 200 pellets in a 10inch circle at 40 yards and then 100 pellets in a 10in circle at much further distances. The TSS at these distances will still penetrate a gobbler just fine.
So basically what I am saying is unless you are using a smaller gauge shotgun OR you intend to shoot past 40 yards at turkeys...you are really wasting your money shooting TSS.
Super high pellet counts in a 10inch circle are simply a waste of meat and a waste of shot and honestly...indicate your pattern is likely too tight increasing your chance for a miss for close range shots under 20 yards.
Moderator...Please do not remove my comment about far distances I am just trying to relay information.
Great post, great points. Really impossible to argue against. More isn't always better; sometimes it's detrimental. But for the guys that care more about numbers than turkey breast, more IS better.