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I remember awhile back there was a thread and do not know where it is, however there was a fellor I think it was Greg Massey said we may see a shortage of TSS with the new high demand of these manufactures starting to mass produce TSS shells to the consumer.

We should have listened to Ol Greg Massey, instead of making fun of him. Maybe all you guys who have all this tss bought up could sale some to these manufactures so they can make us some shells up! :funnyturkey:

Now APEX, NITRO, and FEDERAL are all having a problem getting TSS to load the rounds for us to buy.

I have never seen such a demand for shells as there is today, its almost like the demand for .22 bullets a few years back.


What is all of your input on this?

Did the companies jump the gun and not buy enough inventory?

I wouldn't be so ticked if Federal hadn't of discontinued the HW 7's. It was marketed like it was no big deal, just get TSS, but you can't find TSS and HW is discontinued so yeah.


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Makes sense. The shot is only manufactured in China, that I know of. My thought was a company like Federal would have a reliable source and wouldn't run into a supply issue but it looks like I was wrong. TSS prices for handloaders has already gone up since December. I'm going to stock up in August and hope I can get it at a decent price. My guess is it's only going to go up.

Tell Federal to quit wasting the shot in those 3rd degree loads  :anim_25:

Happens every year about this time.  China has like a two week Holliday in February so it stops production and shipping.  The thing is to buy early.

Hal out? Bought a few pounds last month.

those copper coated lead shot work fine ( ALL THIS BS ABOUT KILLING TURKEYS A 60YDS WILL CAUSE ALOT TURKEYS TO BE CRIPPLED UP AND LEFT FOR VARMINTS TO EAT LEARN TO CALL HIM UP AT LEAST TO 40YDS IF CAN,T GETTEM IN THAT CLOSE ALWAYS ANOTHER DAY AND TIME

I never stopped to think about it much. Apex has been selling for over a year and there was plenty of opportunity to get their ammo before now. Same for nitro. Federal is the only one who just brought their offering to the table. So to be blunt I don't feel like anyone should be crying because they waited till the last second. Common sense says if you know you are going to use something to buy it well ahead of time before the rush.

Quote from: Happy on March 08, 2018, 06:06:25 AM
I never stopped to think about it much. Apex has been selling for over a year and there was plenty of opportunity to get their ammo before now. Same for nitro. Federal is the only one who just brought their offering to the table. So to be blunt I don't feel like anyone should be crying because they waited till the last second. Common sense says if you know you are going to use something to buy it well ahead of time before the rush.

100%. You see a lot of last minute buyers complaining on Nitros FB page.

My guy is getting some on hand in the next week of so and I have plenty at the house.

Quote from: dirt road ninja on March 08, 2018, 05:45:58 AM
Hal out? Bought a few pounds last month.

Yes, out of #9's anyways.

Quote from: oleman59 on March 08, 2018, 05:57:01 AM
those copper coated lead shot work fine ( ALL THIS BS ABOUT KILLING TURKEYS A 60YDS WILL CAUSE ALOT TURKEYS TO BE CRIPPLED UP AND LEFT FOR VARMINTS TO EAT LEARN TO CALL HIM UP AT LEAST TO 40YDS IF CAN,T GETTEM IN THAT CLOSE ALWAYS ANOTHER DAY AND TIME

Another Old Man TOTALLY AGREES!!!  I can't wrap my head around this 12 gauge TSS movement.  I can not believe people BLOW $10-$12 a pop on a shotgun shell to kill a bird.  More Money than Common Sense IMO!  Too many shells out there that will get the job done for a whole lot less.   

Quote from: bbcoach on March 08, 2018, 07:19:43 AM

Quote from: oleman59 on March 08, 2018, 05:57:01 AM
those copper coated lead shot work fine ( ALL THIS BS ABOUT KILLING TURKEYS A 60YDS WILL CAUSE ALOT TURKEYS TO BE CRIPPLED UP AND LEFT FOR VARMINTS TO EAT LEARN TO CALL HIM UP AT LEAST TO 40YDS IF CAN,T GETTEM IN THAT CLOSE ALWAYS ANOTHER DAY AND TIME

Another Old Man TOTALLY AGREES!!!  I can't wrap my head around this 12 gauge TSS movement.  I can not believe people BLOW $10-$12 a pop on a shotgun shell to kill a bird.  More Money than Common Sense IMO!  Too many shells out there that will get the job done for a whole lot less.   

I have plenty of tss both for 12 gauge and 20 gauge. I wish I would have never wasted my money on it for my 12 gauge it is way too much overkill it's almost just a pure waste in my opinion. Now for the .410 and the 20 gauge it's awesome. I ordered my stuff earlier on and I do agree with happy on the fact we should be prepared earlier before season gets here. My thing is that's no excuse for ammo company's that promote such a new product and discontinue their already popular cheaper loads, and then can't even produce the new loads they have promoted for so long. I am blessed and have Federal, and Apex Tss shells. I doubt I will ever buy from Nitro due to their extremely poor customer service.


What's next I bet we see a dramatic price increase on tss and long wait times to get any.


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Since federal started marketing this year, its the "newest, greatest" thing...so simply demand effecting supply.  I've got some I'm going to shoot, but with that said.  I don't recall not being able to kill a turkey with lead in all the years past.....

Quote from: BottomLand54 on March 08, 2018, 07:37:06 AM
I am blessed and have Federal, and Apex Tss shells.

Nothing against you at all, but seriously? 'Blessed' to have tungsten shells?

Wow.Saddens me turkey hunting has come to this. And yes, I handload TSS myself, but I would never say I'm 'blessed' because of it. I'd be ecstatic if we could make this TSS craze disappear and have everyone go back to shooting 12-13g/cc shot or even just lead.

Once again, nothing against you. Just needed to rant.

Not everyone is trying to kill turkeys at 60 yds, I have been hand loading TSS for several years now and love knowing that my 20ga throws a pattern better than my 12ga. Money is not an issue I planned years ago and I retired at 49 so I do have some common sense.  I will continue to load and shoot TSS as long as the components are available.  I have no clue why ppl worry about what everyone else is doing.

Glad I bought 5 more pounds of 9s 6 months ago. I also researched and in process of building a shot trap to recover and reuse the stuff. Most guys with them are recovering over 90 percent of the shot.

Quote from: Spitten and drummen on March 08, 2018, 08:32:29 AM
Glad I bought 5 more pounds of 9s 6 months ago. I also researched and in process of building a shot trap to recover and reuse the stuff. Most guys with them are recovering over 90 percent of the shot.

Okay , so you have 5 more pounds of 9's , on the average how many shells can you load from a pound 6-8 shells ?

Quote from: Fullfan on March 08, 2018, 08:29:05 AM





Not everyone is trying to kill turkeys at 60 yds, I have been hand loading TSS for several years now and love knowing that my 20ga throws a pattern better than my 12ga. Money is not an issue I planned years ago and I retired at 49 so I do have some common sense.  I will continue to load and shoot TSS as long as the components are available.  I have no clue why ppl worry about what everyone else is doing.

Fullfan, I don't know why ppl get their panties in a wad.  Read the post.  I stated 12 gauge and I mean 12 gauge.  With TSS, 20 and .410 shooters have the playing field leveled with the 12 gauge shooters.  Yes, it is about personal choice what we shoot.  It just baffles me that people shell out this kind of money for performance that is OVERKILL.  Plenty of offerings that will get the job done and not break the bank.  And for those that do reload TSS, there would be plenty of TSS shot available.  If this trend continues, the reloaders will see a significant increase in the cost of TSS shot.  This will effect you due to supply and demand.  Just saying!

Quote from: Greg Massey on March 08, 2018, 08:54:24 AM

Quote from: Spitten and drummen on March 08, 2018, 08:32:29 AM
Glad I bought 5 more pounds of 9s 6 months ago. I also researched and in process of building a shot trap to recover and reuse the stuff. Most guys with them are recovering over 90 percent of the shot.

Okay , so you have 5 more pounds of 9's , on the average how many shells can you load from a pound 6-8 shells ?

9 if I load 1-5/8 ounces and 8 with 1-7/8 ounces. With my shot trap and my other stash of tss I will have enough to take Me through my lifetime.

Shortage?????????   :newmascot:

I've got 82 pounds.  :drool:

(http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/usergals/2018/03/full-692-140530-20180217_104125.jpg)

Loaded up 25 rounds for a friend last night.   :goofball:

(http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/usergals/2018/03/full-692-140531-20180307_213911.jpg)

Guy's who have been reloading Tss for the last couple of years have been telling us how great this shot is , but after patterning this stuff last week, it's really no better than the Federal HW 7 , those shells would put all the pellets in a turkey head that you needed to kill a turkey. I'm not really that excited about Tss and the 6 - 8 dollar shell anymore, i just want a good average shell to place a good pattern with consistent pattern...I'm so glad i bought a big supply of Federal Hw 7 and very few Tss shells...

Something to consider is that federal probably did not anticipate this shell taking off like it has. I didn't think it would. Especially in the 12 guage offerings. The price point doesn't justify the end in my opinion. I can see it in the 20 guage and smaller loads but it seems extreme to me in a 12 guage unless I was trying to snipe one. In wv a rifle is legal so I would just go that route. It's cheaper.

Quote from: Sand Man on March 08, 2018, 09:06:06 AM
Shortage?????????   :newmascot:

I've got 82 pounds.  :drool:

(http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/usergals/2018/03/full-692-140530-20180217_104125.jpg)

Loaded up 25 rounds for a friend last night.   :goofball:

(http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/usergals/2018/03/full-692-140531-20180307_213911.jpg)

Maybe you can give Federal and Apex some of your shot , because it's going to get harder to get..Friend of mine talk to both Apex and Federal and they can't get the shot. That's why Apex has changed the on site stock from the 10 th now to the 15 with some shells being in stock....

Quote from: Greg Massey on March 08, 2018, 09:06:17 AM
Guy's who have been reloading Tss for the last couple of years have been telling us how great this shot is , but after patterning this stuff last week, it's really no better than the Federal HW 7 , those shells would put all the pellets in a turkey head that you needed to kill a turkey. I'm not really that excited about Tss and the 6 - 8 dollar shell anymore, i just want a good average shell to place a good pattern with consistent pattern...I'm so glad i bought a big supply of Federal Hw 7 and very few Tss shells...

ok. Good for you. More tss for us. As far as patterns are concerned , more shot = denser patterns. Also the retained energy compared to 7 heavy blows them out of the water. I have a stash of heavyweight 7s and they pattern and shoot great. Plenty enough to kill a bird. Copper plated 6's are plenty enough to kill a bird. People saying oh my gosh , 8 dollars a shell?? We are turkey hunting not dove hunting. I have the tags to kill 6 birds a year from 2 states and I dont target practice with tss. In the end if you dont like tss thats fine , you or I dont have to justify what we shoot. Turkey hunting is my passion . I do not mind spending money on my hobby and equipment to pursue these birds. I pay a big chunk for 1300 acre turkey lease so a 10 dollar shell is not going to kill me. If I sold all the calls and turkey hunting related things I have then I could probably retire lol. Good luck this spring.

Quote from: Happy on March 08, 2018, 09:08:32 AM
Something to consider is that federal probably did not anticipate this shell taking off like it has. I didn't think it would. Especially in the 12 guage offerings. The price point doesn't justify the end in my opinion. I can see it in the 20 guage and smaller loads but it seems extreme to me in a 12 guage unless I was trying to snipe one. In wv a rifle is legal so I would just go that route. It's cheaper.

Happy i agree with you, after trying some of this Tss shot last week, i decided it's a fine shell for people with really bad eye sight or people who can't shoot very well and have very little calling ability. It's a high dollar shell pack with a huge amount of shot and at 20 yards will blow a hole like a rifle, i just decided after messing with it last week, i will work more on calling the turkeys as i have done in the pass years and just be patient and kill mine with cheaper shells ....

Quote from: Happy on March 08, 2018, 09:08:32 AM
Something to consider is that federal probably did not anticipate this shell taking off like it has. I didn't think it would. Especially in the 12 guage offerings. The price point doesn't justify the end in my opinion. I can see it in the 20 guage and smaller loads but it seems extreme to me in a 12 guage unless I was trying to snipe one. In wv a rifle is legal so I would just go that route. It's cheaper.

I could not agree more with you.  I started out on this TSS journey 7+ years ago hand loading.  I started with 2oz in a 12ga and #7s.  Even though I'm an engineer and understand density, ballistics, KE, etc, I was raised by my dad shooting 32" barrel full choke lead 4's and 5's at MS swamp birds.  Long before screw in chokes and 3 1/2" 12s.  I had to see the proof in the pudding before I'd believe a #9 or #9.5 TSS pellet would kill a bird.  I quickly learned that a 12ga pushing 2oz of TSS was just flat overkill.  Where the shot shins is being able to go down in gauge to a 20, 28, .410 for a lighter recoil more compact gun that's lighter weight.  Trust me when I say carrying a 20ga Youth model 870 with a 21" barrel is a dream compared to these 12s I grew up shooting.  With TSS you don't have to sacrifice the pattern, distance, or efficiency you get from a 12ga with any factory load.  I've misjudged birds in wide open wheat fields here in TX and OK and have broken wing and leg bones as well as penetrated all the way thru a breast bone @ over 40 yards with #9.5 shot.  Believe what you want, but TSS is everyone they claim it is and more.  I'm now to the point of trying to kill my slam with a 28ga.

Quote from: Greg Massey on March 08, 2018, 09:21:28 AM

Quote from: Happy on March 08, 2018, 09:08:32 AM
Something to consider is that federal probably did not anticipate this shell taking off like it has. I didn't think it would. Especially in the 12 guage offerings. The price point doesn't justify the end in my opinion. I can see it in the 20 guage and smaller loads but it seems extreme to me in a 12 guage unless I was trying to snipe one. In wv a rifle is legal so I would just go that route. It's cheaper.

Happy i agree with you, after trying some of this Tss shot last week, i decided it's a fine shell for people with really bad eye sight or people who can't shoot very well and have very little calling ability. It's a high dollar shell pack with a huge amount of shot and at 20 yards will blow a hole like a rifle, i just decided after messing with it last week, i will work more on calling the turkeys as i have done in the pass years and just be patient and kill my with cheaper shells ....

Dude are you serious. Did you really just say that?? I was a sniper in the Army 5 years and I shoot very very well. Put a ic 555 in a 20 and shoot at a bird at 20 and see how well you shoot. For you to make a blanketed statement like that is pure ignorant. I cannot believe you did that. As far as calling one close , you have no idea how other people call. Im not trying to come off as a you know , but that statement did kind of hit me wrong.

Quote from: Spitten and drummen on March 08, 2018, 09:19:08 AM

Quote from: Greg Massey on March 08, 2018, 09:06:17 AM
Guy's who have been reloading Tss for the last couple of years have been telling us how great this shot is , but after patterning this stuff last week, it's really no better than the Federal HW 7 , those shells would put all the pellets in a turkey head that you needed to kill a turkey. I'm not really that excited about Tss and the 6 - 8 dollar shell anymore, i just want a good average shell to place a good pattern with consistent pattern...I'm so glad i bought a big supply of Federal Hw 7 and very few Tss shells...

ok. Good for you. More tss for us. As far as patterns are concerned , more shot = denser patterns. Also the retained energy compared to 7 heavy blows them out of the water. I have a stash of heavyweight 7s and they pattern and shoot great. Plenty enough to kill a bird. Copper plated 6's are plenty enough to kill a bird. People saying oh my gosh , 8 dollars a shell?? We are turkey hunting not dove hunting. I have the tags to kill 6 birds a year from 2 states and I dont target practice with tss. In the end if you dont like tss thats fine , you or I dont have to justify what we shoot. Turkey hunting is my passion . I do not mind spending money on my hobby and equipment to pursue these birds. I pay a big chunk for 1300 acre turkey lease so a 10 dollar shell is not going to kill me. If I sold all the calls and turkey hunting related things I have then I could probably retire lol. Good luck this spring.

I could care less what you shoot and you can preach all day about how good Tss is and i will agree with you it's a good shell , but with little more calling ability and patients you can kill a turkey with just as good of a shell and gun patterning with copper coated lead or cheaper shells if you pattern you gun with a good average load and choke. I don't think i ever said i don't like Tss , i just said i don't think you have to have this so called greatest shell to kill turkeys ...good luck also this spring ...

Quote from: Greg Massey on March 08, 2018, 09:32:25 AM

Quote from: Spitten and drummen on March 08, 2018, 09:19:08 AM

Quote from: Greg Massey on March 08, 2018, 09:06:17 AM
Guy's who have been reloading Tss for the last couple of years have been telling us how great this shot is , but after patterning this stuff last week, it's really no better than the Federal HW 7 , those shells would put all the pellets in a turkey head that you needed to kill a turkey. I'm not really that excited about Tss and the 6 - 8 dollar shell anymore, i just want a good average shell to place a good pattern with consistent pattern...I'm so glad i bought a big supply of Federal Hw 7 and very few Tss shells...

ok. Good for you. More tss for us. As far as patterns are concerned , more shot = denser patterns. Also the retained energy compared to 7 heavy blows them out of the water. I have a stash of heavyweight 7s and they pattern and shoot great. Plenty enough to kill a bird. Copper plated 6's are plenty enough to kill a bird. People saying oh my gosh , 8 dollars a shell?? We are turkey hunting not dove hunting. I have the tags to kill 6 birds a year from 2 states and I dont target practice with tss. In the end if you dont like tss thats fine , you or I dont have to justify what we shoot. Turkey hunting is my passion . I do not mind spending money on my hobby and equipment to pursue these birds. I pay a big chunk for 1300 acre turkey lease so a 10 dollar shell is not going to kill me. If I sold all the calls and turkey hunting related things I have then I could probably retire lol. Good luck this spring.

I could care less what you shoot and you can preach all day about how good Tss is and i will agree with you it's a good shell , but with little more calling ability and patients you can kill a turkey with just as good of a shell and gun patterning with copper coated lead or cheaper shells if you pattern you gun with a good average load and choke. I don't think i ever said i don't like Tss , i just said i don't think you have to have this so called greatest shell to kill turkeys ...good luck also this spring ...

you said its better suited for people who cant see well , who cant shoot or who cannot call very well. Since you want to insult people who shoot it I will return the favor. Its for people who work and can afford to spend 10 bucks a shell , who have more respect for the bird we are hunting by wanting a little more insurance on killing efficiently ect... Its ok you dont care for it but you started with the insults and that was uncalled for.

Quote from: Spitten and drummen on March 08, 2018, 09:26:26 AM

Quote from: Greg Massey on March 08, 2018, 09:21:28 AM

Quote from: Happy on March 08, 2018, 09:08:32 AM
Something to consider is that federal probably did not anticipate this shell taking off like it has. I didn't think it would. Especially in the 12 guage offerings. The price point doesn't justify the end in my opinion. I can see it in the 20 guage and smaller loads but it seems extreme to me in a 12 guage unless I was trying to snipe one. In wv a rifle is legal so I would just go that route. It's cheaper.

Happy i agree with you, after trying some of this Tss shot last week, i decided it's a fine shell for people with really bad eye sight or people who can't shoot very well and have very little calling ability. It's a high dollar shell pack with a huge amount of shot and at 20 yards will blow a hole like a rifle, i just decided after messing with it last week, i will work more on calling the turkeys as i have done in the pass years and just be patient and kill my with cheaper shells ....

Dude are you serious. Did you really just say that?? I was a sniper in the Army 5 years and I shoot very very well. Put a ic 555 in a 20 and shoot at a bird at 20 and see how well you shoot. For you to make a blanketed statement like that is pure ignorant. I cannot believe you did that. As far as calling one close , you have no idea how other people call. Im not trying to come off as a you know , but that statement did kind of hit me wrong.

Well for one i would NEVER call you ignorant , but that's fine you can call me anything you want..

Who are you upset with here? You quoted two different people. If it's me and you consider me ignorant then that's fine. I am ok with it. I stand by my opinion and don't care what anyone else does. I stated my perspective and no one elses.

Quote from: Happy on March 08, 2018, 09:40:29 AM
Who are you upset with here? You quoted two different people. If it's me and you consider me ignorant then that's fine. I am ok with it. I stand by my opinion and don't care what anyone else does. I stated my perspective and no one elses.

Happy he's not upset with you, i don't think ... he's upset with me... As i have said Tss is a good shell and will put up big numbers on a pattern to kill turkeys. I'm just going to use a different shell after shooting some of it last week. Just my opinion...

Nothing like a pricey shell and how far a person should shoot at a turkey to get everything stirred up. For my 2 cents buy and hunt with whatever you want just hunt safe and know your shooting limits and everybody has a limit. I to am surprised at all the 12 gauge popularity I figured the 20 and 410 would get gone.

Quote from: Greg Massey on March 08, 2018, 09:06:17 AM
Guy's who have been reloading Tss for the last couple of years have been telling us how great this shot is , but after patterning this stuff last week, it's really no better than the Federal HW 7 , those shells would put all the pellets in a turkey head that you needed to kill a turkey. I'm not really that excited about Tss and the 6 - 8 dollar shell anymore, i just want a good average shell to place a good pattern with consistent pattern...I'm so glad i bought a big supply of Federal Hw 7 and very few Tss shells...

:TooFunny:

Quote from: Greg Massey on March 08, 2018, 09:32:25 AM

Quote from: Spitten and drummen on March 08, 2018, 09:19:08 AM

Quote from: Greg Massey on March 08, 2018, 09:06:17 AM
Guy's who have been reloading Tss for the last couple of years have been telling us how great this shot is , but after patterning this stuff last week, it's really no better than the Federal HW 7 , those shells would put all the pellets in a turkey head that you needed to kill a turkey. I'm not really that excited about Tss and the 6 - 8 dollar shell anymore, i just want a good average shell to place a good pattern with consistent pattern...I'm so glad i bought a big supply of Federal Hw 7 and very few Tss shells...

ok. Good for you. More tss for us. As far as patterns are concerned , more shot = denser patterns. Also the retained energy compared to 7 heavy blows them out of the water. I have a stash of heavyweight 7s and they pattern and shoot great. Plenty enough to kill a bird. Copper plated 6's are plenty enough to kill a bird. People saying oh my gosh , 8 dollars a shell?? We are turkey hunting not dove hunting. I have the tags to kill 6 birds a year from 2 states and I dont target practice with tss. In the end if you dont like tss thats fine , you or I dont have to justify what we shoot. Turkey hunting is my passion . I do not mind spending money on my hobby and equipment to pursue these birds. I pay a big chunk for 1300 acre turkey lease so a 10 dollar shell is not going to kill me. If I sold all the calls and turkey hunting related things I have then I could probably retire lol. Good luck this spring.

I could care less what you shoot and you can preach all day about how good Tss is and i will agree with you it's a good shell , but with little more calling ability and patients you can kill a turkey with just as good of a shell and gun patterning with copper coated lead or cheaper shells if you pattern you gun with a good average load and choke. I don't think i ever said i don't like Tss , i just said i don't think you have to have this so called greatest shell to kill turkeys ...good luck also this spring ...

No kidding. Did anyone say birds can't be killed without TSS? You dont need 15g/cc Federal shells either but you said that's what you use. Maybe if you were a better caller you wouldn't need 15g/cc shot to kill a bird. 

Quote from: Happy on March 08, 2018, 09:40:29 AM
Who are you upset with here? You quoted two different people. If it's me and you consider me ignorant then that's fine. I am ok with it. I stand by my opinion and don't care what anyone else does. I stated my perspective and no one elses.

I was talking to Greg. I too stand by my opinion.It was accident that your quote got lumped in. I clearly stated what I said I thought was ignorant and no where did I say anything about what you posted. My apologies that yur post was tied in.

My bad. You referenced sniping which I also did. That's what confused me. And again, if someone wants to throw $10.00 down the barrel that's their bussiness. I just couldn't justify it myself with a 12 guage unless I was trying to reach out there.

Quote from: Gobble! on March 08, 2018, 09:55:50 AM

Quote from: Greg Massey on March 08, 2018, 09:32:25 AM

Quote from: Spitten and drummen on March 08, 2018, 09:19:08 AM

Quote from: Greg Massey on March 08, 2018, 09:06:17 AM
Guy's who have been reloading Tss for the last couple of years have been telling us how great this shot is , but after patterning this stuff last week, it's really no better than the Federal HW 7 , those shells would put all the pellets in a turkey head that you needed to kill a turkey. I'm not really that excited about Tss and the 6 - 8 dollar shell anymore, i just want a good average shell to place a good pattern with consistent pattern...I'm so glad i bought a big supply of Federal Hw 7 and very few Tss shells...

ok. Good for you. More tss for us. As far as patterns are concerned , more shot = denser patterns. Also the retained energy compared to 7 heavy blows them out of the water. I have a stash of heavyweight 7s and they pattern and shoot great. Plenty enough to kill a bird. Copper plated 6's are plenty enough to kill a bird. People saying oh my gosh , 8 dollars a shell?? We are turkey hunting not dove hunting. I have the tags to kill 6 birds a year from 2 states and I dont target practice with tss. In the end if you dont like tss thats fine , you or I dont have to justify what we shoot. Turkey hunting is my passion . I do not mind spending money on my hobby and equipment to pursue these birds. I pay a big chunk for 1300 acre turkey lease so a 10 dollar shell is not going to kill me. If I sold all the calls and turkey hunting related things I have then I could probably retire lol. Good luck this spring.

I could care less what you shoot and you can preach all day about how good Tss is and i will agree with you it's a good shell , but with little more calling ability and patients you can kill a turkey with just as good of a shell and gun patterning with copper coated lead or cheaper shells if you pattern you gun with a good average load and choke. I don't think i ever said i don't like Tss , i just said i don't think you have to have this so called greatest shell to kill turkeys ...good luck also this spring ...

No kidding. Did anyone say birds can't be killed without TSS? You dont need 15g/cc Federal shells either but you said that's what you use. Maybe if you were a better caller you wouldn't need 15g/cc shot to kill a bird.

I so agree with you i sure wish i was a better caller, then i could kill them with a bow maybe or something else, I'm using a 20 gauge because of my old bones... lol....  :TooFunny:  no argument about that ...

Quote from: Happy on March 08, 2018, 09:08:32 AM
Something to consider is that federal probably did not anticipate this shell taking off like it has. I didn't think it would. Especially in the 12 guage offerings. The price point doesn't justify the end in my opinion. I can see it in the 20 guage and smaller loads but it seems extreme to me in a 12 guage unless I was trying to snipe one. In wv a rifle is legal so I would just go that route. It's cheaper.

Maybe it will be one of those things where they offer a little better quality control. I load tss for my 12 gauge but not for the reason people state in their argument against tss. I could care less about killing a turkey over 40 yards, its not my thing. What I do strive for is to load a consistently shooting shotgun shell year after year. I finally got fed up with paying virtually the same price for hevi's and getting them only to see that the box was full of buffer that had leaked out of the shells. So while it may be overkill some reasons I feel are justified.

Quote from: Happy on March 08, 2018, 10:06:26 AM
My bad. You referenced sniping which I also did. That's what confused me. And again, if someone wants to throw $10.00 down the barrel that's their bussiness. I just couldn't justify it myself with a 12 guage unless I was trying to reach out there.

I agree , I would never shoot a tss in a 12 gauge but dont frown on anyone who does.  I love the stuff in my 20 and its enjoyable loading your own shell and then killing a bird with it. Thanks for your service also.

I'm blessed to have everything I have! Without God and His Grace  and the Lord Jesus Christ paying for my Sins I could be on my way to hell. I am blessed to have a box of Winchester super X 5 shot lead.


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Quote from: BottomLand54 on March 08, 2018, 10:10:45 AM
I'm blessed to have everything I have! Without God and His Grace  and the Lord Jesus Christ paying for my Sins I could be on my way to hell. I am blessed to have a box of Winchester super X 5 shot lead.


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Sometimes things can get a little heated on here and I need to step back and take a breath before I post. I apologize for getting worked up at Greg and Lumping Happy in. We can all agree to disagree and thats the beauty of living in this great country. I really love this site and it has a wealth of knowledge here. Everyone shoot what you like and may the turkey gods bless you this spring.

Quote from: Spitten and drummen on March 08, 2018, 10:16:06 AM
Sometimes things can get a little heated on here and I need to step back and take a breath before I post. I apologize for getting worked up at Greg and Lumping Happy in. We can all agree to disagree and thats the beauty of living in this great country. I really love this site and it has a wealth of knowledge here. Everyone shoot what you like and may the turkey gods bless you this spring.

I agree with you so much and i will always be great full for your service..It's all in fun and understanding each others opinion. GOOD LUCK THIS SPRING...

I agree. Wasn't trying to start an argument. Just stating my perspective for myself. I enjoy hunting on my terms and everyone else should hunt on theirs. Within the legal limits of the law of course. And by the way spitten I did not serve and don't want to take undue credit from those that have sacrificed much more than I. Hope everyone enjoys there turkey season.

And by the way. Anyone who doesn't agree with me is a big dummie head ! Ha! I couldn't resist. :)

I'm wanting to load a 3.5 inch 10 gauge with 23/4oz of 9.5's anyone have a recipe?


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LMAO...turkey season can't get here soon enough. You can feel the tension here.

Tss for a 12 gauge is a waste
Tss for a 20 gauge is awesome patterns, but still a bit overkill. I have Tss loads for both gauges of guns. Am I against tss no. Hey I like lead, it's still better then a recurve and a wooden arrow with a sharpened rock.


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And if it wasn't for lead I couldn't write with my pencil so thank God for lead.


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Turkey hunting with a sharpened rock......Challenge Accepted!

Quote from: BottomLand54 on March 08, 2018, 06:17:46 PM
I'm wanting to load a 3.5 inch 10 gauge with 23/4oz of 9.5's anyone have a recipe?


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I'm not sure you'll get the pattern density your looking for.

With interest- I have followed this post.  For myself- I buy just1 box of 10 shells that cover Spring and Fall. I got Will Chester Longbeard- 3" and #6s for later in Spring and I have plenty of older NICKEL plated shells. I have a few boxes of Hornady #5 Turkey and years ago- I bought a case of ACTIV - Penetrator. A good 25 boxes of 10 shells that was on sale . I still use these older shells.    I have never lost a Gobbler when shooting any Nickel Plated shells.  I was thinking on buying some of these TSS shells- but they are expensive. I probably don't have as much folding money as most here and for me-- the Nickel shells will do.

It's a addiction to buy the newest and BEST....One up thang.

I'm just mad Federal discontinued the Heviweight.
Such an awesome shell, and was priced reasonably.

Quote from: penna shooter on March 09, 2018, 03:28:45 AM
It's a addiction to buy the newest and BEST....One up thang.

See that's something I never got into. Not saying there is anything wrong with it but I just like taking care of business with the basic tools for the most part. I never wanted a Benelli shotgun or $200.00 pot calls. I have never been a collector of anything. I guess I just am not geared that way. Don't get me wrong I don't live a spartan life but I don't see the need to get wild with it. To each their own though.

I never tried TSS shot, will it really kill a turkey "deader" at 35 yards? I am always looking for a better way to kill turkeys. My experience is that if you do your job and get them inside 40 yards, then any good ammo/choke combo will do the job. I am not a hypocrite, I tried several choke/load combos before choosing one. Just looking for some info. Thanks, Al Baker

Being a die hard pheasant hunter and using up older game ammo is 2nd nature to me. So, I often do the same thing in Spring and Fall for the Turkeys. Like most here--good I have enough Turkey ammo for a small army.  Found out a long time ago that NICKEL plated hits harder then Copper plated-- I bought the HORNADY heavy magnums #5 Turkey last year. Awesome Nickel turkey loads.  In my early Turkey hunting Years- I took some long shots of over 50 yards and lost some cripples.  For me, I want to just call the big Birds up to within  under 40 yards and the HORNADY shells will do the rest.

I do think folks have misunderstood the concept with tss. See this same thing occurred when hevi shot and the federal heavyweights came out, at that time you just didn't have as many folks on social media! See it's not about killing a turkey any deader so that is actually a very inadequate jester, the entire concept of tss is so that folks who want to shoot smaller guage guns like 20, 28, and .410 can carry a light gun with a lighter recoil and not have the disadvantage to kill a bird cleanly out to 35-40 yards, some folks enjoy taking kids or ladies hunting and therefore don't want them shooting a 12 gauge with a turkey load. Tss in a 12 gauge is over kill and really is very unnecessary in my opinion. Also another thing that I have got so tired of hearing is soon as someone mentions tss someone says "ow yeah your wanting to kill birds over 40 yards" "oh yeah your going to shoot one at 80 yards." It is foolish to assume what someone else is going to do.

I personally thing the tss is excellent out of a 20 gauge and I like the dense pattern it throws at 40 yards, does it mean it will kill a turkey any deader then lead? Does it mean I am going to shoot at 60 yards? NO

Folks years ago would never ever thought about turkey hunting with a 20 gauge, now since this tss more folks are going to a .410 then ever before.

I can kill turkeys with lead, and I think the federal heavyweight 7's is a phenomenal load. But it me or you or anyone else wants to shoot tss, heavyweight, or lead that is fine. Hunt legal, hunt ethical, be a sportsman, respect the land, respect the landowner, hunt safe, and I hope this year you all have a very successful turkey hunting season.



Now back to the original point of the post wander if their is going to be a continual shortage of TSS?


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Very well said!!

I see the attraction of lighter guns that can shoot great patterns out of a 20 gauge, I am getting older and beat up. My daughter shot her first turkey last year with a 20 using fed heavyweights. I had the barrel sent to Briley and the threaded it and put in a turkey choke in my old SKB 7300 oump. My dad bought it for me in 1981. I shot a buttload of rabbits, pheasant, ducks and even a few deer. But she got the first turkey with it. Special day. Thanks for the info, I may try the TSS if I can find any. Al Baker

Glad to see y'all came full circle and settled down.   



Now let's talk about decoys and blinds!    :funnyturkey: :toothy9: :turkey2:

Maybe this TSS shortage will be history before I run out of Federal HW's.  And that may take a while.

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Glad to see y'all came full circle and settled down.   



Now let's talk about decoys and blinds!    :funnyturkey: :toothy9: :turkey2:

Blinds? That's for guys who can't hunt

Decoys? That's for guys who can't call

Also tss for guys who can't call, shoot, or judge yardage!


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Well, my local Cabelas doesnt have any TSS in 20 ga, only 12. I guess their flyer is a little vague. BIIIIG SURPRISE

One thing that many people seem to put into these arguments is "does it kill them any deader?".  This question seems kinda condescending.  I, for one, decide to go to the field with the best that I can afford in my gun.  For some, that is Winchester #5 lead, for others it is an SP-10 with 3.5" of tss.  This whole argument of "overkill" seems pretty ridiculous.  I will take every precaution necessary to ensure I dang near rip ones head off, but unfortunately, we all mess up from time to time.  That is what the "overkill" is there for.

Overkill to me is knowing the maximum range of my gun and making sure my shots are under those limits. 

We all like to bring out the best we can afford, but being a responsible and ethical hunter is what "overkill" is there for...the potential for abuse is obvious with this trend. 

Quote from: Spurs on March 11, 2018, 03:41:51 PM
One thing that many people seem to put into these arguments is "does it kill them any deader?".  This question seems kinda condescending.  I, for one, decide to go to the field with the best that I can afford in my gun.  For some, that is Winchester #5 lead, for others it is an SP-10 with 3.5" of tss.  This whole argument of "overkill" seems pretty ridiculous.  I will take every precaution necessary to ensure I dang near rip ones head off, but unfortunately, we all mess up from time to time.  That is what the "overkill" is there for.

Quote from: CrustyRusty on March 11, 2018, 04:41:25 PM
Overkill to me is knowing the maximum range of my gun and making sure my shots are under those limits. 

We all like to bring out the best we can afford, but being a responsible and ethical hunter is what "overkill" is there for...the potential for abuse is obvious with this trend. 

Quote from: Spurs on March 11, 2018, 03:41:51 PM
One thing that many people seem to put into these arguments is "does it kill them any deader?".  This question seems kinda condescending.  I, for one, decide to go to the field with the best that I can afford in my gun.  For some, that is Winchester #5 lead, for others it is an SP-10 with 3.5" of tss.  This whole argument of "overkill" seems pretty ridiculous.  I will take every precaution necessary to ensure I dang near rip ones head off, but unfortunately, we all mess up from time to time.  That is what the "overkill" is there for.

Everyone makes mistakes; misjudged distance, dense brush, pulled trigger, etc.  Even the most ethical hunter will make these mistakes.  I do see the potential for abuse, but getting the highest performance of your gun should be what everyone strives for.  Many people spend all their money on calls, vests, camo, etc.  But when it comes down to spending the dough on shells, they hit walmart for the $5.99 special.  I honestly believe that is what the majority of people do...TSS/Hevi shooters are the minority that is bashed for testing and perfecting the Ultimate Turkey Load. 

Quote from: CrustyRusty on March 11, 2018, 04:41:25 PM
Overkill to me is knowing the maximum range of my gun and making sure my shots are under those limits. 

We all like to bring out the best we can afford, but being a responsible and ethical hunter is what "overkill" is there for...the potential for abuse is obvious with this trend. 

Quote from: Spurs on March 11, 2018, 03:41:51 PM
One thing that many people seem to put into these arguments is "does it kill them any deader?".  This question seems kinda condescending.  I, for one, decide to go to the field with the best that I can afford in my gun.  For some, that is Winchester #5 lead, for others it is an SP-10 with 3.5" of tss.  This whole argument of "overkill" seems pretty ridiculous.  I will take every precaution necessary to ensure I dang near rip ones head off, but unfortunately, we all mess up from time to time.  That is what the "overkill" is there for.

Potential for abuse equals taking a shot at the range your load is barely capable of,don't care what it is.
Why would you only use a load which barely could get the job done at 40 yards away and then shoot to that distance ??

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Quote from: CrustyRusty on March 11, 2018, 04:41:25 PM
Overkill to me is knowing the maximum range of my gun and making sure my shots are under those limits. 

We all like to bring out the best we can afford, but being a responsible and ethical hunter is what "overkill" is there for...the potential for abuse is obvious with this trend. 

Quote from: Spurs on March 11, 2018, 03:41:51 PM
One thing that many people seem to put into these arguments is "does it kill them any deader?".  This question seems kinda condescending.  I, for one, decide to go to the field with the best that I can afford in my gun.  For some, that is Winchester #5 lead, for others it is an SP-10 with 3.5" of tss.  This whole argument of "overkill" seems pretty ridiculous.  I will take every precaution necessary to ensure I dang near rip ones head off, but unfortunately, we all mess up from time to time.  That is what the "overkill" is there for.

Potential for abuse equals taking a shot at the range your load is barely capable of,don't care what it is.

Why would you only use a load which barely could get the job done at 40 yards away and then shoot to that distance .

He stated "under those limits".  Which is another way of doing it.

I see both sides of these arguments, but I want to make sure I have exess power beyond 40 yards in case I cripple a bird.  Several years ago when Hevi-13 #7 first came out, I crippled a bird at 30 yards when I dropped slightly while I was pulling the trigger.  Then I rushed another two shots.  I took a split second and drew a hard bead, killing him at somewhere between 50-60 yards.  I am in no way boasting here...I literally wish I didn't have a story like this...It took all the joy out of what could have been a great turkey hunt.

This is why I shoot with capabilities beyond my personal 40 yard max.  It is the responsibility of all hunters to know their capability and act accordingly.  But having a gun capable of killing a bird beyond that does not necesserily mean it is being utilized as such...this is a common error that many assume to be true.  I would be willing to bet the vast majority of all turkey hunters strive to harvest their bird within 40 yards.

Oops guess there should be a question mark after that sentence.
Why would you use a load that barely gets the job done at 40 yards and then shoot to that distance?
Agree with the so called overkill, would prefer to have a load that is more capable than at  what distance I would shoot at.

Quote from: Spurs on March 11, 2018, 03:41:51 PM
One thing that many people seem to put into these arguments is "does it kill them any deader?".  This question seems kinda condescending.  I, for one, decide to go to the field with the best that I can afford in my gun.  For some, that is Winchester #5 lead, for others it is an SP-10 with 3.5" of tss.  This whole argument of "overkill" seems pretty ridiculous.  I will take every precaution necessary to ensure I dang near rip ones head off, but unfortunately, we all mess up from time to time.  That is what the "overkill" is there for.

That settles it. I am breaking out the .270. Can't have too much overkill.

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Quote from: Spurs on March 11, 2018, 03:41:51 PM
One thing that many people seem to put into these arguments is "does it kill them any deader?".  This question seems kinda condescending.  I, for one, decide to go to the field with the best that I can afford in my gun.  For some, that is Winchester #5 lead, for others it is an SP-10 with 3.5" of tss.  This whole argument of "overkill" seems pretty ridiculous.  I will take every precaution necessary to ensure I dang near rip ones head off, but unfortunately, we all mess up from time to time.  That is what the "overkill" is there for.

That settles it. I am breaking out the .270. Can't have too much overkill.

Would think the 3.5" longbeard loads  would be overkill enough for most! On the cheap.

Overkill is awesome!


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I for one will not sweet over the new 20 ga. TSS craze I have 2 - 20 ga guns and will be sticking with my 12ga. It's killed over 50 birds with #5 shot at various yards, This is another marketing sales plan so you go buy a new gun then spend $40 a box for 5 shells, does crossbows come to mind here. Shoot them 12 ga. Guns and just go have fun hunting.

Your point is well taken in this thread, sadly however I think you give too much credit to the average hunter.  I hope you didn't see my comment as an attack on your hunting ethics; it was more a running commentary on concerns regarding the potential for abuse.  I most certainly do not have that concern with you and with most folks who are on this forum.

Quote from: Spurs on March 11, 2018, 06:46:13 PM

Quote from: owlhoot on March 11, 2018, 06:16:02 PM

Quote from: CrustyRusty on March 11, 2018, 04:41:25 PM
Overkill to me is knowing the maximum range of my gun and making sure my shots are under those limits. 

We all like to bring out the best we can afford, but being a responsible and ethical hunter is what "overkill" is there for...the potential for abuse is obvious with this trend. 

Quote from: Spurs on March 11, 2018, 03:41:51 PM
One thing that many people seem to put into these arguments is "does it kill them any deader?".  This question seems kinda condescending.  I, for one, decide to go to the field with the best that I can afford in my gun.  For some, that is Winchester #5 lead, for others it is an SP-10 with 3.5" of tss.  This whole argument of "overkill" seems pretty ridiculous.  I will take every precaution necessary to ensure I dang near rip ones head off, but unfortunately, we all mess up from time to time.  That is what the "overkill" is there for.

Potential for abuse equals taking a shot at the range your load is barely capable of,don't care what it is.

Why would you only use a load which barely could get the job done at 40 yards away and then shoot to that distance .

He stated "under those limits".  Which is another way of doing it.

I see both sides of these arguments, but I want to make sure I have exess power beyond 40 yards in case I cripple a bird.  Several years ago when Hevi-13 #7 first came out, I crippled a bird at 30 yards when I dropped slightly while I was pulling the trigger.  Then I rushed another two shots.  I took a split second and drew a hard bead, killing him at somewhere between 50-60 yards.  I am in no way boasting here...I literally wish I didn't have a story like this...It took all the joy out of what could have been a great turkey hunt.

This is why I shoot with capabilities beyond my personal 40 yard max.  It is the responsibility of all hunters to know their capability and act accordingly.  But having a gun capable of killing a bird beyond that does not necesserily mean it is being utilized as such...this is a common error that many assume to be true.  I would be willing to bet the vast majority of all turkey hunters strive to harvest their bird within 40 yards.

I'm on the list to get the new benelli SDE 1

It's coming out next year benelli super distance eagle 10 gauge

Shoots the new shells hornady and ficocchi are designing 10 guage 4 inch shells and will hold 4 of them.

Msrp starts at 2799.99

Ammo may be hard to come by at first but can't wait until apex makes a 4" 3oz load of number 10's I defiantly should have a gun that will have some overkill at 40 yards.



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I suppose this is really not the thread (someone tell me who came up with the idea to call a topic a "thread" anyway?.. ;D), to discuss the ethical considerations of TSS, but since the question has been raised...

The idea that shooting TSS will encourage folks to shoot longer ranges than they should is a valid one.  You can't get into someone's mind, but it would be interesting to know the percentage of hunters that will say to themselves,..."Hmmmm, I've got these TSS loads in my gun.  That gobbler is a little farther away than I would normally shoot,...but, hey, I am using TSS, so here goes..."

On the other hand, I (unfortunately) know some folks that shoot "granddads" 1958 model name-your-brand that has an improved cylinder that they have never patterned, buy a box of the cheapest ammo on the shelf (or worse yet, use "granddads" leftovers from 1958)...and go turkey hunting with the willingness to shoot at gobblers thirty yards away with a gun that couldn't kill a turkey at fifteen. 

As others have pointed out, it is all relative.  Fercryinoutloud, fellers, whatever you shoot, learn your limitations and have the self control to stay within them.  Granted, that is difficult sometimes, but crippled and lost gobblers should be unacceptable to all of us.   :icon_thumright:

...End of todays sermon...   ;D

Quote from: BottomLand54 on March 12, 2018, 08:30:28 AM
I'm on the list to get the new benelli SDE 1

It's coming out next year benelli super distance eagle 10 gauge

Shoots the new shells hornady and ficocchi are designing 10 guage 4 inch shells and will hold 4 of them.

Msrp starts at 2799.99

Ammo may be hard to come by at first but can't wait until apex makes a 4" 3oz load of number 10's I defiantly should have a gun that will have some overkill at 40 yards.



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Please videotape when you touch one of those bad boys off.

4in 10ga? I hope that's a joke..but guessing it's true.  When does it end.....

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Quote from: Happy on March 12, 2018, 09:12:58 AM

Quote from: BottomLand54 on March 12, 2018, 08:30:28 AM
I'm on the list to get the new benelli SDE 1

It's coming out next year benelli super distance eagle 10 gauge

Shoots the new shells hornady and ficocchi are designing 10 guage 4 inch shells and will hold 4 of them.

Msrp starts at 2799.99

Ammo may be hard to come by at first but can't wait until apex makes a 4" 3oz load of number 10's I defiantly should have a gun that will have some overkill at 40 yards.



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Please videotape when you touch one of those bad boys off.

Happy I am afraid everyone will slam me for shooting tss out of my new Gun


Jealousy you know what I mean.


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No jealousy here. I am just in it for the entertainment.

 :funnyturkey: I love this, lol. I truly believe that everyone tries to be an ethical hunter. Interpertations may vary but we all want the same thing, A CLEANLY KILLED TURKEY. So that being said, we all know what to do. Do your homework and make sure you can kill what you shoot at. Good luck and I hope everyone has a 22 yard shot!  :funnyturkey:

I can't call , half see or judge distance , but i have my great granddaddy old shotgun loaded with Tss....it's almost turkey season thank god for a lot of us....hunt safe, do the right thing and have fun enjoying what the good lord created ..... and bottomland 54 i'm not jealous of your Tss, you pattern's weren't that good anyway...so i can see you going to a 10 gauge for more help in killing turkeys .....lmbo

Quote from: Ol timer on March 12, 2018, 08:13:15 AM
I for one will not sweet over the new 20 ga. TSS craze I have 2 - 20 ga guns and will be sticking with my 12ga. It's killed over 50 birds with #5 shot at various yards, This is another marketing sales plan so you go buy a new gun then spend $40 a box for 5 shells, does crossbows come to mind here. Shoot them 12 ga. Guns and just go have fun hunting.

hate to tell you this old timer , but TSS is not a marketing hype . It is everything that its advertised to be.

What is your Max ethical kill distance Spitten and Drummin?

I guess Max distance and ethical range could all depend on either 10 gauge , 12 gauge or 20 gauge guns with different barrel length's and loads of TSS...i sure some people load a better shell than what APEX or Federal are selling in factory loads...just opinion , and i know very little about Tss....lol

Spot on Greg!!!

Quote from: zelmo1 on March 12, 2018, 09:41:01 AM
What is your Max ethical kill distance Spitten and Drummin?

40 yards.

I have zero knowledge on the TSS shot. I found a great load/choke for my gun and I will stick with it. I shoot a few times before the season and it is really consistent. If I put "wood to wood" then my set up is good for my self imposed yardage. I did see some 12 ga  TSS at Cabelas, $35/5 after the rebate. It seems like a waste to me when I pay $18 for 10 longbeards that shoot well for me. I also shoot Federal heavyweights in my 20 ga, same results. I may try the 20 ga TSS if I can find them. We shall see.

I carry a range finder now, 40 yards is my max also. The goal is to get them closer. My weakness is my calling, That is what I work on the most, LOL

I dont personally shoot TSS but I am having a hard time figuring out why people feel the need to bash others who do. If they are hunting within the laws of their state and have patterned their gun then I don't see what the problem is.

Sounds like those of you knocking TSS users just need something to complain about. I hope those of you complaining are walking around in a loin cloth with a long bow and only use a wing bone otherwise you are no different than the person using TSS. You  wear camo, shoot shotguns, and use more modern calls because it increases your chance of success and cuts down on the chance of crippling a bird. I would be willing to bet that most of yall have misjudged distance a time or two and have missed a bird before.

Hunters are the best at knocking other fellow hunters and that is pretty sad.

I love Turkey hunting and everything turkey hunting related. I play with my calls all year long and always tinker with things. One of the reasons I love TSS is that I can load a awesome shell myself. There are several recipes that you can constantly try to give you the results you are looking for. I ABSOLUTELY do not shoot TSS to extend my range. I shoot it because its fun loading a shell and killing a bird with a shell you loaded for yourself. It is also satisfying when you put 300 plus in a 10 at 40 with a 20 ga and you feel good because you loaded it yourself. I shoot a more open choke to get a better hunting patteren. Also I am building a trap to collect the shot to reload. Its not all about the kill to me , Its about shooting the best shell that I can shoot to be the most effective that I can be. Just like everything in life , you have those that abuse things. I have been shooting this stuff for the last 5 years through a 20 ga and I can say that I love seeing a tom drop like a rock with no flopping. I smile and shake my head everytime. Im not saying the no flopping happens everytime but it does occur more often than not. Most everyone here are Turkey hunters and enjoy the sport. Shoot and hunt the way you like inside the law. We are only passing through and this ride will be over before you know it.

I find when it comes to ethics alotta people will say 40 is their max(both on this forum and with personal friends of mine) but when it comes game time and the gobbler hangs up 56 yards away, all their talk of ethics and what's right get thrown right out the window and they take the shot regardless. Same thing in archery hunting where somebody will consistently tell everyone 30 is the longest he feels comfortable with then low and behold a big 9 pointer stops in an opening 60 yards away and flings an arrow downrange because it was what they felt was an now or never shot. I personally am using nitro tss because I am not the best range estimator and if I misjudge by a few yards or so I'm confident it will lead to less turkeys wounded down the road.

Hey guys , turkey season is almost here for a lot of us ... lot of good post about using Tss...

My season starts Thursday. I am taking a week vacation and another 10 days first of April. Good luck everyone

Quote from: Spitten and drummen on March 12, 2018, 10:43:17 AM
My season starts Thursday. I am taking a week vacation and another 10 days first of April. Good luck everyone

Good luck and have a great season.....

I normally don't pull the trigger until after I've called em in to 5 yards and then I let em walk out to about 75 yards before I shout I believe in fair opportunity


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Quote from: BottomLand54 on March 12, 2018, 08:30:28 AM
I'm on the list to get the new benelli SDE 1

It's coming out next year benelli super distance eagle 10 gauge

Shoots the new shells hornady and ficocchi are designing 10 guage 4 inch shells and will hold 4 of them.

Msrp starts at 2799.99

Ammo may be hard to come by at first but can't wait until apex makes a 4" 3oz load of number 10's I defiantly should have a gun that will have some overkill at 40 yards.



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An old rotator cuff injury started to hurt just reading this

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Quote from: TauntoHawk on March 12, 2018, 12:49:14 PM

Quote from: BottomLand54 on March 12, 2018, 08:30:28 AM
I'm on the list to get the new benelli SDE 1

It's coming out next year benelli super distance eagle 10 gauge

Shoots the new shells hornady and ficocchi are designing 10 guage 4 inch shells and will hold 4 of them.

Msrp starts at 2799.99

Ammo may be hard to come by at first but can't wait until apex makes a 4" 3oz load of number 10's I defiantly should have a gun that will have some overkill at 40 yards.



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An old rotator cuff injury started to hurt just reading this

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Lol a 3" out of a 12 guage benelli sbeii makes mine hurt lol.


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Ol Timer, I got my 20 because I had some neck issues, pinched nerve and was pretty sensitive to recoil.  So I decided to go the 20 right.  I am fine now, can handle the 12 with no problems, but I bought plenty of shells (well ahead of time) and will be good to go for at least 10 years.  Love toting the little 20.  Probably the only 12 I will use this year will be the muzzleloader. 

Quote from: Greg Massey on March 12, 2018, 10:29:39 AM
Hey guys , turkey season is almost here for a lot of us ... lot of good post about using Tss...

Quote from: Spitten and drummen on March 12, 2018, 10:43:17 AM
My season starts Thursday. I am taking a week vacation and another 10 days first of April. Good luck everyone

Got another 50 days.................................. :'(

Quote from: CrustyRusty on March 12, 2018, 08:26:57 AM
Your point is well taken in this thread, sadly however I think you give too much credit to the average hunter.  I hope you didn't see my comment as an attack on your hunting ethics; it was more a running commentary on concerns regarding the potential for abuse.  I most certainly do not have that concern with you and with most folks who are on this forum.

Quote from: Spurs on March 11, 2018, 06:46:13 PM

Quote from: owlhoot on March 11, 2018, 06:16:02 PM

Quote from: CrustyRusty on March 11, 2018, 04:41:25 PM
Overkill to me is knowing the maximum range of my gun and making sure my shots are under those limits. 

We all like to bring out the best we can afford, but being a responsible and ethical hunter is what "overkill" is there for...the potential for abuse is obvious with this trend. 

Quote from: Spurs on March 11, 2018, 03:41:51 PM
One thing that many people seem to put into these arguments is "does it kill them any deader?".  This question seems kinda condescending.  I, for one, decide to go to the field with the best that I can afford in my gun.  For some, that is Winchester #5 lead, for others it is an SP-10 with 3.5" of tss.  This whole argument of "overkill" seems pretty ridiculous.  I will take every precaution necessary to ensure I dang near rip ones head off, but unfortunately, we all mess up from time to time.  That is what the "overkill" is there for.

Potential for abuse equals taking a shot at the range your load is barely capable of,don't care what it is.

Why would you only use a load which barely could get the job done at 40 yards away and then shoot to that distance .

He stated "under those limits".  Which is another way of doing it.

I see both sides of these arguments, but I want to make sure I have exess power beyond 40 yards in case I cripple a bird.  Several years ago when Hevi-13 #7 first came out, I crippled a bird at 30 yards when I dropped slightly while I was pulling the trigger.  Then I rushed another two shots.  I took a split second and drew a hard bead, killing him at somewhere between 50-60 yards.  I am in no way boasting here...I literally wish I didn't have a story like this...It took all the joy out of what could have been a great turkey hunt.

This is why I shoot with capabilities beyond my personal 40 yard max.  It is the responsibility of all hunters to know their capability and act accordingly.  But having a gun capable of killing a bird beyond that does not necesserily mean it is being utilized as such...this is a common error that many assume to be true.  I would be willing to bet the vast majority of all turkey hunters strive to harvest their bird within 40 yards.

This has been a great debate...no personal attacks and no name calling...just wish gun bashing libtards would understand what a grown up argument looks like. :character0029:

I understand what you say about other hunters ethics as a general concensus, but I see things on the other side of the game.  I live in SE AR and duck hunting here on public ground is (I am assuming here) probably the worst type of close quarter public hunting in the USA.  Overcrowding, over restriction, and just plain punks, have taken over the world down here.  Even in that arena, I believe that good/honest duck hunters still make up +50%.  Yes, everyone has their day, but for the majority, they are well meaning individuals who just wanna bust some heads and go to the house for the hero shots.

We have to start believing this in what is becoming an extinct culture that we do.  Believe that every man is just as good, until they prove you wrong.  The back and forth (not pointing at this debate) sometimes gets out of hand and people don't realize how we look to the skinny jeans clan that is always willing to pounce.

i like to hunt with my hat backwards and shoot . my 10 gauge with 4 inch number 11's tss and wear my skinny jeans and my tie dye t shirt that says Russia is the problem.

Quote from: BottomLand54 on March 13, 2018, 10:04:26 PM
i like to hunt with my hat backwards and shoot . my 10 gauge with 4 inch number 11's tss and wear my skinny jeans and my tie dye t shirt that says Russia is the problem.

Personally I am more into wearing some ultra short cut off Jean shorts that are frayed. Some steel toed work boots and a Sleeveless Brittney Spears world tour tee shirt.

Seen an old boy dressed exactly like that coming out of a gas station with a 30 pack of natty light. My buddy started laughing and said "well, it looks like we're back home." Sad part is, we were back home....

My 11 year old daughter's favorite outfit is camo  :funnyturkey: She wears it to school at least 2/3 days a week

Guys apex says they are out of components and are trying their best to secure some lol glad I got plenty Federal heavyweights I think for the money long beards is the way to go.


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Quote from: BottomLand54 on March 14, 2018, 10:36:46 AM
Guys apex says they are out of components and are trying their best to secure some lol glad I got plenty Federal heavyweights I think for the money long beards is the way to go.


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I would hope they won't go changing components,but needing to get shells out and money in ?
Looks like they already have some serious issues that need some attention.

i say stick with federal buy you a case in the summer