Can you imagine the performance if Winchester substituted TSS for lead in their Long Beard XR product? I think it would utterly dominate the market for longer range capable shotshells.
No need!!!! Winchester XR is ALL that is needed to kill turkeys out to respectable distances. Call them in close, no TURKEY SNIPING! I knew this was where we were going with TSS!
I agree, I've never shot at a bird with a longbeard but I have shot them at paper and they have to be more than capable at the range most of us would say we want to shoot. That being said I'm sure we will see a longbeard XR high density in the near future. Here are some take always I've gotten over the past several weeks. People will pay any amount for turkey loads(I'm not the only one)! And we are not looking for capable 40yrd patterns. You simply don't need 10-12 dollar shells to get that. To have 60yard guns maybe. I really am surprised that all TSS products have sold the way they have. You can bet Winchester keeps tabs on tss the same way we do. Winchesters extended range hd was is the hardest hitting load I've ever shot at a turkey, and it's density was 12gcc. I have never fired a TSS load but a longbeard load of higher density would be an incredible load and wouldn't need to be 18gcc stuff. The problem I would foresee would be them marketing the first 100yrd turkey load...
Kill`em all 10 yards to 100
There is a point of diminishing returns on this. I have loaded TSS for a few years, but would have 0 interest in what you have suggested. In fact, now that it's available in factory load form I am considering hunting with my old xx 6's again. If you require more than what TSS can already offer to kill, hunt somewhere it's legal to use a rifle. At shotgun velocities, windage and trajectory compensation become very relevant at current TSS ranges.
Quote from: dirt road ninja on March 01, 2018, 02:29:46 PM
There is a point of diminishing returns on this. I have loaded TSS for a few years, but would have 0 interest in what you have suggested. In fact, now that it's available in factory load form I am considering hunting with my old xx 6's again. If you require more than what TSS can already offer to kill, hunt somewhere it's legal to use a rifle. At shotgun velocities, windage and trajectory compensation become very relevant at current TSS ranges.
Good post! Turkeys are becoming a participation trophy rather than an earned reward! I have no desire to shoot any farther that i do now or did 5 years ago.
Quote from: davisd9 on March 01, 2018, 02:40:41 PM
Quote from: dirt road ninja on March 01, 2018, 02:29:46 PM
There is a point of diminishing returns on this. I have loaded TSS for a few years, but would have 0 interest in what you have suggested. In fact, now that it's available in factory load form I am considering hunting with my old xx 6's again. If you require more than what TSS can already offer to kill, hunt somewhere it's legal to use a rifle. At shotgun velocities, windage and trajectory compensation become very relevant at current TSS ranges.
Good post! Turkeys are becoming a participation trophy rather than an earned reward! I have no desire to shoot any farther that i do now or did 5 years ago.
Great Posts Gentlemen!!!!! I pray, no hunter gets shot with this stuff because they THOUGHT it was a turkey at those ridiculous distances. I believe it will happen real soon, especially on public ground.
Quote from: bbcoach on March 01, 2018, 02:52:04 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on March 01, 2018, 02:40:41 PM
Quote from: dirt road ninja on March 01, 2018, 02:29:46 PM
There is a point of diminishing returns on this. I have loaded TSS for a few years, but would have 0 interest in what you have suggested. In fact, now that it's available in factory load form I am considering hunting with my old xx 6's again. If you require more than what TSS can already offer to kill, hunt somewhere it's legal to use a rifle. At shotgun velocities, windage and trajectory compensation become very relevant at current TSS ranges.
Good post! Turkeys are becoming a participation trophy rather than an earned reward! I have no desire to shoot any farther that i do now or did 5 years ago.
Great Posts Gentlemen!!!!! I pray, no hunter gets shot with this stuff because they THOUGHT it was a turkey at those ridiculous distances. I believe it will happen real soon, especially on public ground.
I'm in the same boat as you guys. I load TSS and I'm not inhibited on range up to a point, but I am going to run lead in all my 12's this year. I will still run TSS in my 20, but I have a case of Hevi 6's as well for it.
I got into TSS for the novelty of it and I like handloading. I'm really tired of the guys around my area that never kill more than one bird talking about how they will kill out to 70 or 80 this year. I don't want to be associated with it.
Quote from: bbcoach on March 01, 2018, 02:52:04 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on March 01, 2018, 02:40:41 PM
Quote from: dirt road ninja on March 01, 2018, 02:29:46 PM
There is a point of diminishing returns on this. I have loaded TSS for a few years, but would have 0 interest in what you have suggested. In fact, now that it's available in factory load form I am considering hunting with my old xx 6's again. If you require more than what TSS can already offer to kill, hunt somewhere it's legal to use a rifle. At shotgun velocities, windage and trajectory compensation become very relevant at current TSS ranges.
Good post! Turkeys are becoming a participation trophy rather than an earned reward! I have no desire to shoot any farther that i do now or did 5 years ago.
Great Posts Gentlemen!!!!! I pray, no hunter gets shot with this stuff because they THOUGHT it was a turkey at those ridiculous distances. I believe it will happen real soon, especially on public ground.
The ammunition won't be the problem, if a hunter is unsafe with TSS he is unsafe with lead. I don't think you will see an increase in turkey hunting accidents that is not inline with an increase in participants.
DRN, I hope you are correct. My reasoning is denser pellets, additional range, more pellets per ounce and not being able to see what is there at the greater range. Lead won't hit as hard at the ranges we are talking about and will lose penetration. TSS will increase range and penetrate. My hope is those that use this ammo will consider the extended range along with the added density of this shot and realize the added risk. One pellet of TSS #9 can and will put out an eye at a greater distance than lead. Please don't get complacent with this stuff. Always know your background, hopefully know who is hunting around you and Always Think SAFETY!
No need for a shotlok tss 12 or 20 or even a 28 but it would be awesome in a 410 load.
Quote from: bbcoach on March 01, 2018, 02:52:04 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on March 01, 2018, 02:40:41 PM
Quote from: dirt road ninja on March 01, 2018, 02:29:46 PM
There is a point of diminishing returns on this. I have loaded TSS for a few years, but would have 0 interest in what you have suggested. In fact, now that it's available in factory load form I am considering hunting with my old xx 6's again. If you require more than what TSS can already offer to kill, hunt somewhere it's legal to use a rifle. At shotgun velocities, windage and trajectory compensation become very relevant at current TSS ranges.
Good post! Turkeys are becoming a participation trophy rather than an earned reward! I have no desire to shoot any farther that i do now or did 5 years ago.
Great Posts Gentlemen!!!!! I pray, no hunter gets shot with this stuff because they THOUGHT it was a turkey at those ridiculous distances. I believe it will happen real soon, especially on public ground.
the accidents are coming, it's only a matter of time
The same can be said for any activity. Don't expect a large spike in them.
My longest kill shot was at a tom was 42 yds. I have never shot that far before, but this tom was in my deke spread late in the morning when I was off chasing another bird. I crawled as close as I could in the open grass field and popped up at 42 yds as he was starting to leave. Load of Win LB 6s dropped him like a hammer! Not sure I can see the need for TSS in a 12 gauge. I shoot Fed HW 7s in my 20 gauge, but will not be shooting past 35 yds unless I misjudge the distance by a few yards.
Keeps going like this calling will be obsolete with decoys and shotguns where hunters can shooter 60 or 70 yds.
Might step on toes by saying this but FANNING is WAY MORE detrimental to the sport than TSS!
I shoot TSS not to kill turkeys at absurd ranges but to shoot a lightweight gun (20 ga) and still have performance at reasonable distances.
I've fanned a couple with tss and enjoyed every minute of it. Didn't feel like I did any harm to the sport. The difference between me and you is I don't care if you don't fan.
Quote from: dirt road ninja on March 05, 2018, 08:52:40 PM
I've fanned a couple with tss and enjoyed every minute of it. Didn't feel like I did any harm to the sport. The difference between me and you is I don't care if you don't fan.
I don't care if you do or don't fan either. So there's no difference between us there. It just seems like all the folks saying TSS is an accident waiting to happen are overlooking something more dangerous in fanning. Just my $.02....
Quote from: Jbird22 on March 05, 2018, 07:08:11 PM
Might step on toes by saying this but FANNING is WAY MORE detrimental to the sport than TSS!
I shoot TSS not to kill turkeys at absurd ranges but to shoot a lightweight gun (20 ga) and still have performance at reasonable distances.
Fanning a shotgun? I have never heard of that, is that the same as when they hold the semi-auto shotgun and make it "bonce" and fire rapidly?
Uneducated, poorly trained hunters are the root causes for most hunting accidents. Way more hunters are going to get killed or injured driving to their spots.
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Quote from: Jbird22 on March 05, 2018, 07:08:11 PM
Might step on toes by saying this but FANNING is WAY MORE detrimental to the sport than TSS!
I shoot TSS not to kill turkeys at absurd ranges but to shoot a lightweight gun (20 ga) and still have performance at reasonable distances.
Fanning a shotgun? I have never heard of that, is that the same as when they hold the semi-auto shotgun and make it "bonce" and fire rapidly?
Uh, no. Fanning = crawling behind a gobbler fan. It has nothing do do with bump stocks nor randomly spraying a shotgun.
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Quote from: Sir-diealot on March 06, 2018, 03:28:42 AM
Quote from: Jbird22 on March 05, 2018, 07:08:11 PM
Might step on toes by saying this but FANNING is WAY MORE detrimental to the sport than TSS!
I shoot TSS not to kill turkeys at absurd ranges but to shoot a lightweight gun (20 ga) and still have performance at reasonable distances.
Fanning a shotgun? I have never heard of that, is that the same as when they hold the semi-auto shotgun and make it "bonce" and fire rapidly?
Uh, no. Fanning = crawling behind a gobbler fan. It has nothing do do with bump stocks nor randomly spraying a shotgun.
Ah okay, I agree then, going behind something like that Primos Chicken on a Stick or whatever they call it just seems like asking for trouble.
Guess you guys better look at stats and stop turkey hunting at all. People get shot every year from using a HEN call and or just from movement. Even just walking.
Quote from: dirt road ninja on March 06, 2018, 06:10:22 AM
Uneducated, poorly trained hunters are the root causes for most hunting accidents. Way more hunters are going to get killed or injured driving to their spots.
Well said. I'd add... Will result in stricter laws....and mandatory orange...and poor support and respect for hunting
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Quote from: snapper1982 on March 06, 2018, 07:56:28 PM
Guess you guys better look at stats and stop turkey hunting at all. People get shot every year from using a HEN call and or just from movement. Even just walking.
Not sure bout where you live but in MS it's illegal to shoot hens so if someone shoots someone using a HEN call then there are bigger problems..lol
I don't understand this prejudice against the concept of taking turkeys at distances beyond 40 yds...if someone has a load proven to possess the lethality and patterns well in his gun at XX distance and he has a valid tag in his hand, then that should be his decision. In the end regardless of his decision to use a blind, decoys, scope, 32" barrel, 3.5" shells, tungsten shot, $100 calls, running and gunning, fanning camo and on and on.....
If it's within game laws and legal, there should be no shame in doing so.
For those of you who "prefer" what you "prefer" you should cut others some slack, and give them proper credit that they've tested/ patterned their equipment rather than "parrot" on and on the outdated notion of 40 yds based upon inferior turkey loads.
I' e heard these same arguments in Ohio when they first allowed straightwall rifles to our shotgun only deer season....
Sure it's easier with a more accurate weapon and some take longer shots than they should, but that also existed with shotguns, but instead they just sprayed slugs until they hit flesh and hoped they found it....Archers in Ohio freaked out and scrutinized crossbows when they legalized them in the early 80's ...proven fact both of these changes have resulted in less wounded deer because they are more accurate for the every day guy to take that animal..
I get the old 40 yd thing, but new technology HAS extended that range regardless if your secret society of "don't speak of shots beyond 40yds" yet still show patterns of HTL with massive numbers @ 40...
Hmm, why buy HTL loads for overkill at 40? How many will admit they too are guilty of "maximizing" their range...Seems awful hypocritical...
Aren't we all here to help each other fill our tags.? Everyone has a differ t meaning of what "turkey hunting" is to them...for me it's about sitting in a blind with my 11 year old, drinking coffee, setting up decoys, trying calls even though we scare more than attract. We've shot them as close as 32 yds and a few that mentioning will get me banned from this site. They wouldn't come any closer to our calls/decoys. Every shot we've taken we had HIGH confidence would drop those birds on the spot...and guess what? They did..have never lost a bird have never had to stomp on a birds head...
I think a lot of guys should stop judging others and be thankful Turkey hunting per numbers are attracting more hunters..and that's a lot more value than doing things the old fasioned way...
I thought about handloading tss as another hobby since I retired. But I got to thinking...to me it's all about playing the game. If can't call a bird to within that 40 yard mark then obviously I didn't do my part. That gobbler deserves to live another day. I'll go home and figure out what I did wrong and try again another time. I don't want to sit there and say"We'll he didn't like my calling or my setup but it didn't matter since my gun can shoot to 60 yards." I've been turkey hunting for 30 years and I'm still learning something new everyday. The day I stop learning is the day I'll quit. Just my opinion ????
I personally would love to see Winchester offer Shot LOK LB's in HTL. I mean we already have newbies who shoot at 40 yds and see a beautiful pattern with Lead 6's or 5's dusting birds due to lack of knowledge of its energy...HTL would kill them rather than cripple them at those distances.
I for one would buy them just like the rest of those here w/TSS. I'll admit it would be for the purpose of extending the range of lethality to match the extended range the Longbeard Shot LOK technology has provided.
To me there is more danger in offering a lead 6 load with awesome numbers on paper beyond 40 yet lacking the lethality to do the job at which that pattern becomes insufficient.
I like to turkey hunt, not turkey shoot.
I hoped with the new TSS craze people would use it for a slight range increase, and to give yourself a buffer on shots where you misjudged the range, but I've heard several stories just from people I know of shooting at turkeys past 100 yards. Truly sickening
Quote from: davisd9 on April 26, 2018, 10:44:12 AM
I like to turkey hunt, not turkey shoot.
Then use a camera instead of a shotgun:)
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Quote from: deerpoo22 on April 26, 2018, 08:20:23 PM
I hoped with the new TSS craze people would use it for a slight range increase, and to give yourself a buffer on shots where you misjudged the range, but I've heard several stories just from people I know of shooting at turkeys past 100 yards. Truly sickening
100 yds is pretty extreme, and I don't think even the best TSS penetrates AND patterns to that distance...but then again I'd love to be proven otherwise....of course my next question would be where to get that load/choke combo;)
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Quote from: cljohnson24 on April 26, 2018, 09:21:00 AM
I don't understand this prejudice against the concept of taking turkeys at distances beyond 40 yds...if someone has a load proven to possess the lethality and patterns well in his gun at XX distance and he has a valid tag in his hand, then that should be his decision. In the end regardless of his decision to use a blind, decoys, scope, 32" barrel, 3.5" shells, tungsten shot, $100 calls, running and gunning, fanning camo and on and on.....
If it's within game laws and legal, there should be no shame in doing so.
For those of you who "prefer" what you "prefer" you should cut others some slack, and give them proper credit that they've tested/ patterned their equipment rather than "parrot" on and on the outdated notion of 40 yds based upon inferior turkey loads.
I' e heard these same arguments in Ohio when they first allowed straightwall rifles to our shotgun only deer season....
Sure it's easier with a more accurate weapon and some take longer shots than they should, but that also existed with shotguns, but instead they just sprayed slugs until they hit flesh and hoped they found it....Archers in Ohio freaked out and scrutinized crossbows when they legalized them in the early 80's ...proven fact both of these changes have resulted in less wounded deer because they are more accurate for the every day guy to take that animal..
I get the old 40 yd thing, but new technology HAS extended that range regardless if your secret society of "don't speak of shots beyond 40yds" yet still show patterns of HTL with massive numbers @ 40...
Hmm, why buy HTL loads for overkill at 40? How many will admit they too are guilty of "maximizing" their range...Seems awful hypocritical...
Aren't we all here to help each other fill our tags.? Everyone has a differ t meaning of what "turkey hunting" is to them...for me it's about sitting in a blind with my 11 year old, drinking coffee, setting up decoys, trying calls even though we scare more than attract. We've shot them as close as 32 yds and a few that mentioning will get me banned from this site. They wouldn't come any closer to our calls/decoys. Every shot we've taken we had HIGH confidence would drop those birds on the spot...and guess what? They did..have never lost a bird have never had to stomp on a birds head...
I think a lot of guys should stop judging others and be thankful Turkey hunting per numbers are attracting more hunters..and that's a lot more value than doing things the old fasioned way...
The only issue I have with your statement is "they've tested/ patterned their equipment". The way some companies are marketing the new ammo is part of the problem. Un-experienced people see that and decide they don't need to pattern/test their equipment. The advertisement says they can kill a turkey at xx yards., so that is what they try to do. If they have patterned/tested and know what their equipment is doing, then go for it.
I do a lot of bowhunting. I have seen it several time in the last few years at the range and it's usually about 1 week before deer season opens. Somebody shows up and is sighting in their bow. At 30yds they are lucky to hit a paper plate. I will start talking with them and try help them if I can. Usually in the conversation we talked about broadheads. They tell me they are using the newest, greatest head made by brand "X". I ask if they have shot the heads yet. Usually the answer has been I don't need to shoot them, the package says "field point accuracy to XX yards", but I'm going to limit my shots to 40yds. I try to explain to them, that it is not usually the case unless your bow is well tuned and you have good consist form. The response has been, I had the bow to the shop last year and I've been practicing for 2 weeks.
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Quote from: cljohnson24 on April 26, 2018, 09:21:00 AM
I don't understand this prejudice against the concept of taking turkeys at distances beyond 40 yds...if someone has a load proven to possess the lethality and patterns well in his gun at XX distance and he has a valid tag in his hand, then that should be his decision. In the end regardless of his decision to use a blind, decoys, scope, 32" barrel, 3.5" shells, tungsten shot, $100 calls, running and gunning, fanning camo and on and on.....
If it's within game laws and legal, there should be no shame in doing so.
For those of you who "prefer" what you "prefer" you should cut others some slack, and give them proper credit that they've tested/ patterned their equipment rather than "parrot" on and on the outdated notion of 40 yds based upon inferior turkey loads.
I' e heard these same arguments in Ohio when they first allowed straightwall rifles to our shotgun only deer season....
Sure it's easier with a more accurate weapon and some take longer shots than they should, but that also existed with shotguns, but instead they just sprayed slugs until they hit flesh and hoped they found it....Archers in Ohio freaked out and scrutinized crossbows when they legalized them in the early 80's ...proven fact both of these changes have resulted in less wounded deer because they are more accurate for the every day guy to take that animal..
I get the old 40 yd thing, but new technology HAS extended that range regardless if your secret society of "don't speak of shots beyond 40yds" yet still show patterns of HTL with massive numbers @ 40...
Hmm, why buy HTL loads for overkill at 40? How many will admit they too are guilty of "maximizing" their range...Seems awful hypocritical...
Aren't we all here to help each other fill our tags.? Everyone has a differ t meaning of what "turkey hunting" is to them...for me it's about sitting in a blind with my 11 year old, drinking coffee, setting up decoys, trying calls even though we scare more than attract. We've shot them as close as 32 yds and a few that mentioning will get me banned from this site. They wouldn't come any closer to our calls/decoys. Every shot we've taken we had HIGH confidence would drop those birds on the spot...and guess what? They did..have never lost a bird have never had to stomp on a birds head...
I think a lot of guys should stop judging others and be thankful Turkey hunting per numbers are attracting more hunters..and that's a lot more value than doing things the old fasioned way...
The only issue I have with your statement is "they've tested/ patterned their equipment". The way some companies are marketing the new ammo is part of the problem. Un-experienced people see that and decide they don't need to pattern/test their equipment. The advertisement says they can kill a turkey at xx yards., so that is what they try to do. If they have patterned/tested and know what their equipment is doing, then go for it.
I do a lot of bowhunting. I have seen it several time in the last few years at the range and it's usually about 1 week before deer season opens. Somebody shows up and is sighting in their bow. At 30yds they are lucky to hit a paper plate. I will start talking with them and try help them if I can. Usually in the conversation we talked about broadheads. They tell me they are using the newest, greatest head made by brand "X". I ask if they have shot the heads yet. Usually the answer has been I don't need to shoot them, the package says "field point accuracy to XX yards", but I'm going to limit my shots to 40yds. I try to explain to them, that it is not usually the case unless your bow is well tuned and you have good consist form. The response has been, I had the bow to the shop last year and I've been practicing for 2 weeks.
Then even 40 yds is too far...guys that show up and do the last minute thing will always be there....Guys trying to extend their range are less of a threat than those who have no clue...
Most guys who are new, can't tell u what 40 yds is in the field so buying ammo that pushes the range doesn't mean diddly to them..they are taking shots at 75+ yds anyways:)
Now for the real gurus trying to squeeze every bit of killing power available out there...well chances are they know what they currently have and what they would like to get, but buying Nitros or TSS and other shells that are $20 and above..
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Winchester long beard leave us alone
We dont need tss
Mr. Johnson, I was going to remain quite but Since I am OLD FASHIONED, I am tired of this prejudice and judging crap that is directed at people that don't conform to present day ideology. It isn't OLD FASHIONED to accomplish something by calling a turkey into your lap while he gobbles at 10 yards and feeling that last gobble run right up your spine, as he spits and drums the last 50 yards. Shooting a turkey at less than 10 yards is much more of an accomplishment then sniping him at greater distances. I'm sick and tired of today's society taking an OPINION that they don't agree with and saying the OLD FASHIONED crowd are prejudice and or judging! If it makes you feel good to SNIPE a turkey at longer distances have at it (get yourself a participation trophy) as for this OLD FASHIONED hunter, I want that bird I kill to be in my lap doing his HAPPY DANCE, GOBBLING all the way in. IMO with NO PREJUDICE or JUDGEMENT involved!!!!
Quote from: bbcoach on May 02, 2018, 07:58:52 AM
Mr. Johnson, I was going to remain quite but Since I am OLD FASHIONED, I am tired of this prejudice and judging crap that is directed at people that don't conform to present day ideology. It isn't OLD FASHIONED to accomplish something by calling a turkey into your lap while he gobbles at 10 yards and feeling that last gobble run right up your spine, as he spits and drums the last 50 yards. Shooting a turkey at less than 10 yards is much more of an accomplishment then sniping him at greater distances. I'm sick and tired of today's society taking an OPINION that they don't agree with and saying the OLD FASHIONED crowd are prejudice and or judging! If it makes you feel good to SNIPE a turkey at longer distances have at it (get yourself a participation trophy) as for this OLD FASHIONED hunter, I want that bird I kill to be in my lap doing his HAPPY DANCE, GOBBLING all the way in. IMO with NO PREJUDICE or JUDGEMENT involved!!!!
As said to each their own..I have nothing against those who wish to "dance and romance" turkeys as that is what brings joy to many, but at the same time, you are actually making my point of those who feel the urge to shame those who want to shoot turkeys at longer distances..
I have not nor do I recall anyone shaming guys for calling or getting in close like it HAD to be done when ammo/choke limitations limited them to report to those tactics..
For some of us it's not about "playing with our food" or having weeks to chase around and romance them to 20yds..
If that's how you want to harvest your bird, because you ha e the luxury of time to do so, then by all means carry on...but I believe the discrimination isn't against those choose to wait for those in close shots via calling....In fact it seems more common that anyone expressing a hint or desire to extend their range.beyond40 yds is immediately attacked by an underground code of shaming... as are guys in blinds or fanning...
In the end we each choose to hunt in a manner that matches our time and resources available.. Hunting is different for each of us...and it's not righteous to look down upon others because some want to do it the old way and feel they have the right to gang up on guys because they want to move forward and adapt their methods of hunting..
Maybe nobody should use camo, or exchange info on turkey boards..
How do address the guys who take turkeys with rifles legally in their states? Honestly it's getting hilarious how hunters judge each other and their methods.
No wonder our numbers are decreasing, with condescending attitudes as abundant as they are amongst our ranks....Why on earth would you actually want to hunt if you were young if you were shunned by the older crowd imposing their way as to how it should be done..
SMH...
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Tss is not a fix all. I've been on board with it for a few years now and sure it's deadly at longer ranges but it's still turkey hunting and I personally would rather smoke one at 25 than 55.
My opinion is I will would rather kill him at the distance my gun shoots effectively.. When he crosses that line and I have a clear shot it is game on. He can dance his way to the grease.
Quote from: Magdump on March 01, 2018, 11:53:57 AM
Can you imagine the performance if Winchester substituted TSS for lead in their Long Beard XR product? I think it would utterly dominate the market for longer range capable shotshells.
Could you imagine if the just glued all the shot together so you could simply slug shoot them in the body.. Well I could shoot birds way over yonder then.
If there's one thing that ruins a good turkey hunt is having some loud mouth feathered Dino strutting and gobbling in my personal space and I'm left defenseless with mere bird shot.
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Quote from: cljohnson24 on April 26, 2018, 10:21:42 AM
I personally would love to see Winchester offer Shot LOK LB's in HTL. I mean we already have newbies who shoot at 40 yds and see a beautiful pattern with Lead 6's or 5's dusting birds due to lack of knowledge of its energy...HTL would kill them rather than cripple them at those distances.
I for one would buy them just like the rest of those here w/TSS. I'll admit it would be for the purpose of extending the range of lethality to match the extended range the Longbeard Shot LOK technology has provided.
To me there is more danger in offering a lead 6 load with awesome numbers on paper beyond 40 yet lacking the lethality to do the job at which that pattern becomes insufficient.
Are you really saying lead #5s don't have enough energy to kill a turkey at 40 yards?
To bad they don't just make a gun that would shoot into a tiny group at a hundred or more yards so people that do not want to waste time learning to hunt turkeys but could just kill them at long range across fields etc.
Oh wait....they already did that... it's called a rifle and it's illegal in most states and no self respecting turkeyhunter would stoop to sniping gobblers across fields especially when you could fan them lol.
Some long winded stuff going on in here...tl;dr
I wonder why it is considered sniping turkeys at distances greater than 40 yards but hunting elk at distances of more than 100 yards?
Esse quam videri
Quote from: 30_06 on May 26, 2018, 09:12:40 PM
I wonder why it is considered sniping turkeys at distances greater than 40 yards but hunting elk at distances of more than 100 yards?
Esse quam videri
If you have to ask you will never understand.
Quote from: Phillipshunt on May 27, 2018, 08:45:30 AM
Quote from: 30_06 on May 26, 2018, 09:12:40 PM
I wonder why it is considered sniping turkeys at distances greater than 40 yards but hunting elk at distances of more than 100 yards?
Esse quam videri
If you have to ask you will never understand.
Your probably right. After all what could possibly be similar between the two?......kind of makes you wonder if we should even call it turkey "hunting" at all.
Esse quam videri
Quote from: 30_06 on May 27, 2018, 12:26:34 PM
Quote from: Phillipshunt on May 27, 2018, 08:45:30 AM
Quote from: 30_06 on May 26, 2018, 09:12:40 PM
I wonder why it is considered sniping turkeys at distances greater than 40 yards but hunting elk at distances of more than 100 yards?
Esse quam videri
If you have to ask you will never understand.
Your probably right. After all what could possibly be similar between the two?......kind of makes you wonder if we should even call it turkey "hunting" at all.
Esse quam videri
What does elk have to do with this? Most elk calling is done during bow seasons,is it not?
That is a close range deal unless I am missing something?
This is also a shotgun sport mostly so short range.
Quote from: owlhoot on May 27, 2018, 12:56:20 PM
Quote from: 30_06 on May 27, 2018, 12:26:34 PM
Quote from: Phillipshunt on May 27, 2018, 08:45:30 AM
Quote from: 30_06 on May 26, 2018, 09:12:40 PM
I wonder why it is considered sniping turkeys at distances greater than 40 yards but hunting elk at distances of more than 100 yards?
Esse quam videri
If you have to ask you will never understand.
Your probably right. After all what could possibly be similar between the two?......kind of makes you wonder if we should even call it turkey "hunting" at all.
Esse quam videri
What does elk have to do with this? Most elk calling is done during bow seasons,is it not?
That is a close range deal unless I am missing something?
This is also a shotgun sport mostly so short range.
1. Elk hunting is very similar to turkey hunting just on a larger.....and typically more difficult scale.
2. There are quite a few states that have firearm (rifle/muzzleloader) elk hunting in the rut......off the top of my head Oregon, Nevada, Wyoming, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, and Montana. There may be more, but you can check those just as well as I can.
3. Not really a close range deal and most people don't get all bent out of shape if you shoot an elk at 100 yards with a firearm......or if they do they don't claim you are not a hunter.
4. Regarding it being a mostly shotgun sport is kind of what I was getting at. The shotgun itself, and the ammo is more than capable beyond the oft-preached 40 yards limit. If everything is capable beyond that magical limit, why belittle others due to personal constraints? Why claim it is no longer hunting beyond some irrational yard marker? At what distance does it become hunting? Does that distance change for other species, and if so why?
I suppose I shouldn't get too worried about all of this. Hunters have been having this argument since I have been hunting regardless of species, all that really changes is the distance.
Quote from: dirt road ninja on March 01, 2018, 02:29:46 PM
There is a point of diminishing returns on this. I have loaded TSS for a few years, but would have 0 interest in what you have suggested. In fact, now that it's available in factory load form I am considering hunting with my old xx 6's again. If you require more than what TSS can already offer to kill, hunt somewhere it's legal to use a rifle. At shotgun velocities, windage and trajectory compensation become very relevant at current TSS ranges.
Exactly what he said
How about we keep the challenges of the sport going in turkey hunting .
Personally don't care what distance the new loads can shoot to .