The resin didn't come apart while I was patterning my gun and the result was a slug hole. Makes me leary of them. Has anyone else seen this happpen? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170329/ab5b32ad1da8c7348d59a32d618f9088.jpg)
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This was same day, gun, and choke but different lot#.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170329/7cdf3efade837e83784abd86df0a1e32.jpg)
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It happens. The resin is supposed to fracture upon upset but there are times when it does not and you may see that "slug hole".
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Clark
I'm having trouble with a box of Longbeards that have pellets rattling around inside. The pattern is big and not dense like a shell that doesn't rattle.
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I had a similiar experience with Winchester many years ago. They weren't longbeards, I believe they were Surpemes. I bought several brands of shells to find what patterned the best. My first shot from the Winchesters at 40 yards left very little pattern but the shot cup was stuck in the plywood with a lot of shot jammed in it kind of like a slug. The rest of that box seemed to pattern well so I hunted with them. I shot a gobbler with them and I believe the same thing happened again. He was about 30 yards and had huge hole through his neck as if he had been shot with a high powered rifle.
I've steered away from Winchester shells since then but I know people that absolutely love them and get good results.
A choke with wad stripper rings should prevent that. I use a hevi 13 choke with rings, put about 6 boxes of long beards through it without any problem.
The jebs has wad stripper rings the resin didn't come apart. Looked like a slug hit the metal backstop not the wad
The question is with opportunities on birds being what they are - are you willing to gamble?
Shoot a Pure Gold .670 out of a BPS and been through 4 box of LB #5s without that particular issue. I will say I have shaken the shells and heard loose shot and those particular shells not perform as well as normal, but still dead turkey. Hope I'm not jinxing myself I am completely aware this could be a problem especially with the resin. Just gotta roll that dice I reckon! :-\
Quote from: dirt road ninja on March 29, 2017, 08:50:13 PM
The question is with opportunities on birds being what they are - are you willing to gamble?
Good point! Not me.
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EXACTLY!!! I'm shootin hevi shot
Quote from: Tennessee Lead on March 29, 2017, 04:38:05 PM
I'm having trouble with a box of Longbeards that have pellets rattling around inside. The pattern is big and not dense like a shell that doesn't rattle.
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That likely means that the resin has already fractured in those shells.
Quote from: dirt road ninja on March 29, 2017, 08:50:13 PM
The question is with opportunities on birds being what they are - are you willing to gamble?
That what was I came to with Win LB's. Had several patterns cut in half and also shot a turkey that looked like I shot him with a slug. More consistent results with other loads. Not to mention the consistent results I got with LB's were baseball size patterns at 20-25yds.
Quote from: Fl strutter on March 29, 2017, 06:48:03 PM
The jebs has wad stripper rings the resin didn't come apart. Looked like a slug hit the metal backstop not the wad
My bad. I thought for sure the rings would act as a secondary fracture for the resin. I hope this never happens to me when i pull the trigger on old tom.
Why not contact Winchester/Olin and make a report and give them the lot numbers you bought. They will replace them and it may help them uncover what the issue was so it does not happen in the future.
I did. The woman I spoke with didn't even know what longbeards were. I gave her the lot# and offered to send target but she said not to send it. I just can't trust them after what I saw.
Failure rate must be real low, or we would have heard more reports of it happening. Still, no way I'm taking a chance on them.
Quote from: BandedSpur on March 30, 2017, 08:44:11 AM
Failure rate must be real low, or we would have heard more reports of it happening. Still, no way I'm taking a chance on them.
The only reports I have seen have been from the folks I know that have shot a tremendous number of the shells. Most hunters go out and pattern with a few shots and Hunt from there on out. The bad results I have seen were not the entire box or Lot #. The majority of the box shot well with a few out of the box not shooting well. Lost confidence in the shells even though the majority in the box patterned well. Turkeys are hard to come by so to risk whether or not the shell in the gun was a good one wasn't worth it.
I shot one of the old red shell
Supreme XX Magnums 3.5" 2&1/4 oz 5's last week that put a slug hole in the paper at 40.
That's the 3rd time they'd happened out of that box I had from years ago.
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I said when these first came out the resin concerned me but any shell can have issues. I'm curious about a box that is a few years old, how does the resin hold up? I'll personally stick with traditionally buffered shells.
I want to see someone use the resin technology with TSS
Quote from: Philippe on March 30, 2017, 01:25:31 PM
I want to see someone use the resin technology with TSS
There is no point to try with TSS when 20 gauges are putting 300+ in 10" at 40 yards.
Quote from: davisd9 on March 30, 2017, 02:58:26 PM
Quote from: Philippe on March 30, 2017, 01:25:31 PM
I want to see someone use the resin technology with TSS
There is no point to try with TSS when 20 gauges are putting 300+ in 10" at 40 yards.
C'mon aren't you the least bit curious of what it would do at different distances?
Quote from: Philippe on March 30, 2017, 06:21:27 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on March 30, 2017, 02:58:26 PM
Quote from: Philippe on March 30, 2017, 01:25:31 PM
I want to see someone use the resin technology with TSS
There is no point to try with TSS when 20 gauges are putting 300+ in 10" at 40 yards.
C'mon aren't you the least bit curious of what it would do at different distances?
. Nope. We don't need 100 yard turkey guns. ;)
Quote from: Philippe on March 30, 2017, 06:21:27 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on March 30, 2017, 02:58:26 PM
Quote from: Philippe on March 30, 2017, 01:25:31 PM
I want to see someone use the resin technology with TSS
There is no point to try with TSS when 20 gauges are putting 300+ in 10" at 40 yards.
C'mon aren't you the least bit curious of what it would do at different distances?
No, I shoot as far as I am going to regardless of what comes out. I am more than happy with my setup
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There have been multiple stories like this. I've not had it happen but I don't use them anymore since switching to TSS. Also, my buddy had one that fractured while in his tube after firing the first round. There's enough recoil generated to bust that resin in shells that are in the tube apparently. In fact, the resin busted and the "shot card" broke spilling the contents in his magazine tube and some came back into the action rendering the gun useless until he could get it home and disassemble it. It's a good product in theory if you're shooting lead but certainly has some issues.
Hey, they advertise 65 yard kills and better penetration than other lead loads! Maybe that's what they meant.
Quote from: owlhoot on March 30, 2017, 06:29:08 PM
Quote from: Philippe on March 30, 2017, 06:21:27 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on March 30, 2017, 02:58:26 PM
Quote from: Philippe on March 30, 2017, 01:25:31 PM
I want to see someone use the resin technology with TSS
There is no point to try with TSS when 20 gauges are putting 300+ in 10" at 40 yards.
C'mon aren't you the least bit curious of what it would do at different distances?
. Nope. We don't need 100 yard turkey guns. ;)
x2
Quote from: Farmboy27 on March 30, 2017, 08:11:58 PM
Hey, they advertise 65 yard kills and better penetration than other lead loads! Maybe that's what they meant.
:TooFunny:
That is still a dead bird at 40. Anything manufactured is going to have an issue at some point.
I do know of people that have killed them at further than 60 Y with longbeards although I would never take a shot that far. Even with the failure that's still a dead bird.
I had this issue too. Emailed Winchester and mailed back 1 shell which they replaced with a box. I still find that the pattern at 40 was good, much better than that with shells that rattled and a little more forgiving at 20.
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Patterning with a buddy the other day and he had a shell that didn't go off.
ive been through several boxes of 3.5 LBXR #6 with a Hevi-Choke with my Stoeger M3500 no Problems.....best shells for the money Hands Down IMHO....
Someone in a previous post mentioned loose pellets you can hear if you shake one. I notice this is some of my Longbeards as well. Is this an issue to be concerned about??
I had a box of 3" #5's do this to me and I just thought that it was my gun/choke combo that was the failure. But with a different box, they pattern really really well. Must have been a bad batch or something I'm thinking (btw, the bad batch was from a couple of years ago, and have not had any problems with the LB's since then).
Have shot several boxes of LB with no issues, even if I hear a pellet rattling around pattern has remained stable. Will pattern some more after season to see if any problems.