Attached pics are wads , wads to left and bottom are from sumtoy 685, wads from right and bottom are from browning x full turk. Imop the 685 choke is to tight. What do u think? Theses wads are very thick. That said im getting 170ish fromboth and kick 690, with clean barrel , butches bore shine and cloth between shots, temp 50s, also a pic of 685 choke.