I loaded my first tss loads this year and bought a new choke just to shoot them. I'm shooting a 2 oz 8.5 tss load out of a sbe with a black diamond .665 choke. After shooting 4 rounds I took my gun apart to clean it and checked the choke tube and noticed some small nicks in the baffle (wad catchers) part of the choke. Is this cause for concern? Being that they are the first loads I've ever made I'm afraid I've done something wrong.
Not a problem. Any HTL pellet will do that to a choke tube. It is merely cosmetic, is not unsafe, and will not materially affect either the choke or the patterns. But IMO, you are using too much choke. Most folks I know (myself included ;)), are running .675-.690 tubes in 12 ga with TSS.
Pretty sure I noticed that in mine as well. (It was last year but that does ring a bell) In my SBE2 I am shooting an IC .665 and it's crazy impressive. I haven't noticed any problems since the little dings in the wad strippers. You're good to go!
Keep on going, no worries there. 1 of mine has it as well.
I have noticed something similar in my Indian Creek and its to be expected when shooting material this hard. I'm using a .675 in a 870 but noticed it much more with a .665. What gun are you using? Going from the .665 to the .675 also gave me a more even pattern.
Good deal. Thanks everyone for the input! :OGturkeyhead:
You should see one of mine that's had a bunch of Hevi run through it :D
It matters not
I think it's more of a cumulative effect of the TSS that causes problems. Each shot puts a certain amount of added stress on the tube and or barrel.
Quote from: Ihuntoldschool on March 15, 2017, 08:44:37 PM
I think it's more of a cumulative effect of the TSS that causes problems. Each shot puts a certain amount of added stress on the tube and or barrel.
There is no cumulative effect or "problem" with TSS. I and others have shot hundreds and hundreds of TSS loads doing load development with no "problems" whatsoever. A load of TSS 9s is not nearly as stressful on a choke as a HS 6 or MB, due to smaller pellet size and superior payload protection (better wad systems). An added benefit to TSS loads vs HS loads is that the TSS loads run at considerably lower pressure. That said, any HTL is going to be harder on equipment than lead loads due to the hardness of the shot.
Quote from: BandedSpur on March 17, 2017, 07:53:26 AM
Quote from: Ihuntoldschool on March 15, 2017, 08:44:37 PM
I think it's more of a cumulative effect of the TSS that causes problems. Each shot puts a certain amount of added stress on the tube and or barrel.
There is no cumulative effect or "problem" with TSS. I and others have shot hundreds and hundreds of TSS loads doing load development with no "problems" whatsoever. A load of TSS 9s is not nearly as stressful on a choke as a HS 6 or MB, due to smaller pellet size and superior payload protection (better wad systems). An added benefit to TSS loads vs HS loads is that the TSS loads run at considerably lower pressure. That said, any HTL is going to be harder on equipment than lead loads due to the hardness of the shot.
Not trying to start a crap fest and actually have several pounds of Tss,but haven't pursued hand loading any further than that YET. I've shot HTL since it came out thru every choke imaginable and none of my chokes have ever looked like that. Only thing I've ever had happen is 2 Ssx tubes expanded back to back after shooting a couple rounds a piece thru them.
That's choke is damaged , don't let anyone tell you different , that's not cosmetic ...that's deep gouges ,
Real legit ammo companies don't make whole 18gg tungsten shells , primarly for legal and liability reasons .......... not some quack selling tss out of his garage , everyone on the internet is a expert these days , there a reason some guy can't get legal permission and approval from the ATF and a reason they don't have a million dollar liability policy ..... look inside that choke tube and the reasons right there
It's just in the wad strippers. It won't hurt anything. It has happened using HTL before we started using TSS.
Several years ago I had a similar situation develop in an IC .660 after shooting a lot of H-13, 6's, 5's and MagBlends in evaluation and hunting. I sent the tube back to Mike Ponder at Indian Creek with my concerns. Mike called me personally to assure me that the perceived problems were purely cosmetic and would, in no way, alter the performance of the choke tube. Many turkey seasons and H-13 loads later, I have not been able to document any loss of pattern or effectiveness. I had stocked up on the initial offerings by Environmetal of the H-13, 6"s, 7's and MagBlends and am currently shooting and evaluating early lot number shells which were the basis of my initial pattern evaluation.
Quote from: decoykrvr on April 11, 2017, 10:47:05 PM
Several years ago I had a similar situation develop in an IC .660 after shooting a lot of H-13, 6's, 5's and MagBlends in evaluation and hunting. I sent the tube back to Mike Ponder at Indian Creek with my concerns. Mike called me personally to assure me that the perceived problems were purely cosmetic and would, in no way, alter the performance of the choke tube. Many turkey seasons and H-13 loads later, I have not been able to document any loss of pattern or effectiveness. I had stocked up on the initial offerings by Environmetal of the H-13, 6"s, 7's and MagBlends and am currently shooting and evaluating early lot number shells which were the basis of my initial pattern evaluation.
Exactly! :icon_thumright:
It doesn't matter what make of choke your shooting ....tss is harder than it and it will score it - I've seen countless examples here , and the crew thats cheerleading the tss is very quick to try ....and dispell this widely known fact
Again , look down at that choke --that's why no legit insured manufacturer wI'll not make tss ammo...it's called ......product liability
I could ramble on endlessly about how the guys selling tss have zero control over what folks are actually doing with it and how safe or unsafe the final product ends up , I can only tell you it's widely known people are wildcating the loads to the FACT that one of the resellers of TSS let's call him the main one....asked me to make his post about the too hot loads a sticky ..... a lawyer would make a field day out of that
soky - If you were to ever have an issue with that choke since noticing the marks in it please come back here and let us know.
I've been taught to pick and choose your battles. For the sake of the "no drama" policy on here and the ban hammer I will keep quiet on the other things that were brought up in this thread. :icon_thumright:
Seems the ones that want no drama are the ones that create it.
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Quote from: JHoyle on April 12, 2017, 02:59:43 PM
Seems the ones that want no drama are the ones that create it.
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I agree.
90% of the flagrant bs I've endured in the last 5 years came from the guys addicted to selling tss off my back , while exposing me to a major liability in case some body got hurt, they are" liability free -loading " off of me personally, you could not even imagine the stories ive been told ...
I'm tired of many things, but one of them is the claims that the stuff is entirely safe ....and it's not , once it leavessome guys garage ....anything can happen
It would be one thing if we were talking experienced folks , but pepole are relentlessly spamming it on folks with ZERO experience. ... do you honestly think there something not wrong with that ?
And tss damaged that choke ....... :wave:
Ya thats not normal. i see elmer fudd barrel explosion in near future !!!!!
i shoot the same choke same constriction with hevi,and it looks nothing like that good luck
Quote from: Turkinator on April 12, 2017, 07:39:18 PM
Every TSS seller that I have dealt with gives safe tested load information with the shot they sell. How they can be considered liable for misuse is beyond me. I've shot it for years with zero damage to any gun or choke. I follow tested recipes.
In a court of law , let's say wrongfull death/personal injury ....with a jury ...if a lawyer can prove I had knowledge that something was occurring under.my control i'm toast
Slip on a floor , bad break job in a car , and in this case knowingly allowing folks to distribute materials that could cause harm ...that ls why we dont allow people to sell , solicit reloading especially tss ! I have full knowledge as do many key individuals that the material is being used improperly -- the single most outrageous case was a individual pouring out shot from a manufactured federal product and replacing it with tss ......kaaaaboooom
Back to the choke... tss damages chokes it's well known it does , it did in this case etc...and I've seen several other examples before
There is a company starting to sell tss shells,Apex Ammo, so I guess somebody got approved.
I've got no dog in the TSS fight, never fired a load of it in my life. I've shot nothing other than hevi13 shells in 5,6,and 7 shot. I've got about 12 turkey chokes for my benelli guns, and have several chokes that look exactly like that inside. 100% certain it was not TSS that caused it.
Quote from: Borden811 on April 20, 2017, 02:57:12 PM
I've got no dog in the TSS fight, never fired a load of it in my life. I've shot nothing other than hevi13 shells in 5,6,and 7 shot. I've got about 12 turkey chokes for my benelli guns, and have several chokes that look exactly like that inside. 100% certain it was not TSS that caused it.
The majority of people realize that. Blaming TSS for the problem was just a way of complaining about TSS and the people that have caused grief in the past. It's all good. We all have opinions...
My god this thread has so much fail in it. "Knowingly allow people to distribute materials that cause harm" WHAT?? the tss isn't the issue or the part that's causing harm is stupid people adding GUNPOWDER to something they don't know what they are doing with. That's like telling me I can't sell someone breakpads because if they install them incorrectly I'm to blame. I get some have issues with the TSS crowd and that's fine but let's use some common sense on TSS shot in general. It's no more dangerous standalone then all other ammo types, they will all kill you if mishandled
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If i were you people i wouldn't push the boss of the forum...He has told all of you about the problems with Tss Shot etc...
There is no "problems" with tss shot. End of story. It does what we intend it to do and that's kill turkeys. Loaded incorrectly could be another story.
This thread was never intended to be about the dangers of loading your own shells. The question was about dings in a choke tube. And we have settled the debate that other htl shot has done the same thing and as far as the choke tube companies are concerned, there is no danger in that.
Well I will say that most all of the choke companies buy 17-4 ph from the same place. Now all HTL loads will hurt the chokes. Not a thing we can do because it is harder then the choke.
Now I got jumped on few years back and know few guys sold my chokes. They have a problem with me now. (it bugs me but dont bug me) The problem I had and have with it everyone sees not. Look on some of the forums and facebook. (Not this one and the other big one because they try to keep it in line) You have folks that can buy it to easy now and then they start to play. When it came out you had a select group of folks that did it. Now it has turned into a money making deal (I will get hammered) that why so many folks sale it. That said I along with others can look at some of the crazy patterns and see folks are loading bigger loads or getting very small with the chokes. With alot of them it not about hunting it about who can brag they have the best pattern or how many yards I can kill something.
I have been hearing of a 2 oz 20 ga load. That is a 12 ga load going out a 20 ga barrel. So I feel it not if it more of when. Now when it happens who will pay the medical bills. Who if will take care of your family if it goes very bad. (why folks will not sale load to you just supplies) What you do with them is on you. Folks this is a bomb (controlled explosion) just follow all the guild lines in the books or of tested loads. Guns can be replaced but we can not be.
Be safe with everything you do. I want to be able to shake your hand some day on a hunt or at a show.
I'm gonna lock this thread , cause folks (same tss FOR PROFIT cheerleaders ) keep trying keep it going , I've outright removed alot of spam and deleted a few fake spam profiles on this very thread ------, like last time I asked folks to keep things on the down low ...but no they had to try run the show ...emphasis on try....it didn't work out so well for them
Some folks made some very factual and valid points of view , some others I don't know what the big deal deal is with this obsession,
Folks addicted to peddling the stuff off to anyone and everyone (especially newbies), and placing me personally at risk . I've made it very clear, I also want to make it clear I'm not typecasting folks that reload into a group whole ...I myself have 2 reloading presses in the garage ...but what the main folks that are spamming tss are doing is perhaps the most counter productive and perhaps destructive thing to occur to turkey hunting IF GONE UNCHECKED , it would be easy to ignore it ....but we can no longer ...you have no idea of the CRAZY stuff folks folks are doing with tss , some folks are not as smart as most and think it's baking cookies , it's gonna take one foolish mistake and goodbye to a few fingers , that goes for lead, steel, tss whatever one mistake and there is a good chance the re e will be a guy at your door wanting you to serve you for legal action....and be forwarned they can forcibly subpoena your email records too .....ive seen this done before
if you don't like it..... tough s--t , hit the road !!! people's personal saftey and the financial security of me....and my family come first ....long long before some dude who made threads about pot shooting Jakes at 83 yards and then making a "longest shot thread" and resells boatloads of tss from the People's Republic of China --- let me make myself clear .....we do not want anything to do with folks that condone openly , approve or even turn a blind eye "wink and nod " activity --OG is not a pot shot start up kit....this is a TURKEY HUNTING WEBSITE
We aware and are onto the fake profiles , the fake newbie ones where folks are spamming asking where and how to buy tss , then the same cheerleaders spam it up to make thier buddies $$$ - you are stanking up the site ... that was a warning cut the bs out
Oh , and by the way tss damaged that choke :fire: