Been doing some shooting today and was wondering what yalls opinion was on something. I wanted to check my POI so I shot a low brass dove load at a dot at 15 yards. All looked well. I started shooting a few different turkey loads at various ranges and quickly noticed that the center of all my patterns was a couple inches to left. I decided to check myself with another dove load and noticed t too was off to the left some like the turkey loads. All shooting was done off a bench and I felt good about all my shots. I then decided to shoot some more dove loads while sitting at the base of a tree as I would if I were hunting. My first shot I noticed I pulled when I shot so I discarded it. My second two shots looked fairly centered to me. Which POI should I trust? Those shot off a bench or those shot from a seated position against a tree? Would they be different due to my shooting position? It sounds kinda silly but if my POA/POI is good sitting down should I be fine with my patterns that were off to the left while I was shooting off a bench?
I would trust my shooting done without the bench. But more importantly I would work on not flinching and pulling the shot.
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Everything tight on your gun? Choke,forend nut? Cleaning at all between shots? Check all that if maybe you didn't and also did you try shooting a couple of the turkey loads your going to hunt with sitting against the tree? That's mostly important!!!
Who you need to talk to is ...allaboutshooting on this forum.. i would message him and talk to him...
Cleaned good before and everything was tight. Was going to shoot a turkey load while sitting down but ran short on time today. Just was wondering on opinions about POI differing with shooting positions. Theoretically the way my bench shots were compared to the way my against a tree shots were my turkey load patterns would have been on the money. And I may do that Greg. Love reading all his responses and posts to other people's queations/problems.
It ain't a Benelli is it...Lol...
I would want my shots from a bench so if i'm on the ground it would give me a little wriggle room...I bench and trust all my guns from a lead sled..
It is indeed ????
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Quote from: C.Kimzey95 on February 18, 2017, 06:43:31 PM
It is indeed ????
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It is a Benelli ? Bless you heart...GOOD LUCK
Yep Benelli Nova.
That's easy then...ff3 or scope...lol...been through it have a few of them myself...see what a few others say,but there a pain...
Gotta be a trick somewhere :help:
Don't have the Nova they might be different all of mine are SBE and Sbe2s.
Too poor to slap either one of those on there right now haha as little as it seems to be off I hope something like a try glo pro gobble dot will fix it.
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With only 2or so inches adjustable sights would work. I moved mine around with different choke/shell combos..
My sbe2 2 shot dead center 2 inches high with magna blend 2oz 3".... My sbe2 3 shot 10-14 inches high and 4-8 inches to the left depending on shell. However it was more of a choke problem I believe and never shot my sumtoy in it before I got rid of it!
All that being said I never shoot off a bench, maybe I should but I shoot out of a solid chair, with a shooting stick so I can fully hold gun to shoulder as off I were turkey hunting also this is how I would shoot out of ground blind, I shoot better sitting on ground with gun across my knee. However my POA/poi is normally spot on even if I shoot standing up to resting if I don't pull off. My question to you would be how far off is it if u are aiming at a 2 inch circle and 40 yds and you are 2 inches to the left or right is there enough of your pattern covering the circumference to accommodate a kill? If not I suggest figuring something out. Some guys use lead sleds benches etc. I don't have all that equipment and wouldn't use a lead sled while turkey hunting. I do recommend having a solid stable stance or someway to hold your fun still if that is a lead sled then find one. POA/poi problems have been an issue with Benelli guns when putting turkey chokes in them. They are great reliable mule kicking guns that I love the feel of!
Did you shoot different turkey loads at those?
Just seen your pictures, you are not off bad try holding your gun a bit to the right and see what you get, that may be crazy sounding but sometimes some these little things can be fixed by the way we hold our guns at least for me that is. I still believe you have a dead turkey.
Not uncommon for the center of pattern to be off the point of aim were dealing with a shotgun not rifled barrel.My 870 shot low and few inches left when I first patterned it,I had a rifle sight mounted on the barrel and the reciver drilled for a peep site and use the hole were the peep disc would screw in.Now my pattern is adjusted dead on center and the peep site makes sure you keep your head down when shooting.I sometimes use a bench for testing a new load but the only pattern I trust is what I shoot sitting down with my gun on my knee because thats how I will be using it.
Oh I've still got dead turkeys with those I just hate that the big bulk of my pattern is going to the left lol. And yes the three in the pic were a 3" longbeard xr 5 shot 3" federal 3rd degreee and a 3.5" longbeard xr 5 shot. I have some older turkey thug shells and I shot one of those too and it would fall right along with those pics. Bulk of pattern few inches to the left.
Have someone else shoot the same gun and same loads, & see if it is you or the gun.
Way ahead of you Marc. Plan on getting my dad to shoot it and see how it looks.
Well they all real close so at least that isn't a problem .
Not sure on that gun but there was some discussion on here in the past that said tightening the Forend nut could change poi points and to snug them really good and check them after barrel/ forend dis assembly
I've got it snugged really well but I will keep that in mind. I'm anxious to shoot a few turkey loads sitting on the ground. I'm wondering if it is shooting position just changing the POI. I wouldn't think there would be much difference but there may be.
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Rifle off a rest is fine. My shotgun off of a rest is way off. I would trust your the way you would shoot hunting.
Was there a breeze?
No wind strong enough to make a difference.
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OK, is it more left with a turkey load then with your standard trap load say 2 3/4 inch shell 7 1/2 shot or 8shot? What does it shoot like with factory full choke. If your trap load is closer to poa then your turkey load it may be barrel flex, or choke. Put in your full factory load in with a trap load mark off 50 feet shoot a 2 inch circle. Then put up a new target back up again 50 ft with turkey choke shoot 2 inch circle see if there is any difference. If you factory full choke shoot poa/poi then you need a different choke possibly.
Easy fix...Truglo mag gobble dots, Williams firesights, some short of scope or red dot.
Quote from: C.Kimzey95 on February 18, 2017, 07:28:53 PM
Way ahead of you Marc. Plan on getting my dad to shoot it and see how it looks.
I understand in doing that,but if it shoots dead center then what???
Then it's a loose nut behind the trigger.
If you are right handed then you shouldn't be pulling a shot to the left. I am fixing to send a gun back to benelli for a POA/POI issue. They assured me over the phone that they would find out what the problem was and replace the barrel if needed. I want the gun to shoot straight off the beads, worthless for ducks if it doesn't. I've got 5 turkey guns and don't need another dedicated gun. Regardless, a gun you pay that much money for should shoot straight.
Think I'll probably shoot some more sitting down and see how it is. If not I'll slap a try glo magnum gobble dot on there like I've been meaning to do for two years anyways.
Treerooster, thanks for the response. I think on the dove loads the poi difference isn't nearly as extreme as on the turkey loads. But it was noticeably similar anyways. I'm hoping when I sit at the base of a tree and shoot it will fix it on the turkey loads! If not I think like others have suggested an adjustable sight should hopefully fix it !
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Quote from: 1iagobblergetter on February 18, 2017, 08:22:36 PM
Quote from: C.Kimzey95 on February 18, 2017, 07:28:53 PM
Way ahead of you Marc. Plan on getting my dad to shoot it and see how it looks.
I understand in doing that,but if it shoots dead center then what???
Then he can look at adjusting shims, or address flinching issues...
If the gun shoots straight, and is not hitting the target, it must be the shooter...
I am left-eye dominant, and for whatever reason, both my Benelli shotguns shot to the left for me, but dead on for others (and my other guns shot dead on for me during the same patterning sessions)... In the M-2, I was able to adjust the shims to help to some degree (that gun was actually stolen)...
I sold the M-1 cause I could not make it shoot for me... I knew the buyer, and made him go and shoot the gun before giving me money... Shot dead on for him.
And, I do not know if it is due to the fact of me being left-eye dominant, but as a right handed shooter, when I pull a shot, it is almost always to the left. I just assumed that it was because my left hand is holding the forend and has some degree of control over the gun...
Wouldn't shims be for up and down instead of side ways?? As far as flinching I don't think I would trust myself when I was staring down the barrel at a Gobbler to tell myself not to flinch if I was flinching with a dove load,but maybe he can. Anythings worth a try.Id shoot a couple turkey loads sitting and see what happens. If it's still off center I wouldn't trust myself out hunting without some type of adjustable sight at the least..if your dead on consistently hunt it. No matter what adjustable sights in my opinion are worth the money. It's not wing shooting unless you miss.and I wouldn't recommend that either.
When you center the bead and level the vent rib every shot, eyeball aligned with the center of the rib at the rear end, try several different chokes and shoot several different loads, still getting the same consistent POI off from where you aim, then there is something off with the gun. That provided you are on a stable rest, not yanking the trigger, have no external input. When you have two identical makes of guns and one shoots dead on and the other off, using the same array of chokes, loads etc. etc. then I'd say it wasn't the shooter. Just speaking from experience.
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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170219/952f9b132a7554a0dbef4df714f806fb.jpg) update. Shot some sitting down. POI seemed great @20. Here is my second shot longbeard xr 3" 5 shot @ 40. Dead turkey but I think it can be improved maybe. I've gotta get my hands on some 6s and try them
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Looks good and centered to me. Post the 6s if you pattern them if you get a chance..I'm a fan of more pellets myself as long as I don't have to shoot 3.5in to get them. Lol...
Quote from: 1iagobblergetter on February 18, 2017, 09:55:31 PM
Wouldn't shims be for up and down instead of side ways?? As far as flinching I don't think I would trust myself when I was staring down the barrel at a Gobbler to tell myself not to flinch if I was flinching with a dove load,but maybe he can. Anythings worth a try.Id shoot a couple turkey loads sitting and see what happens. If it's still off center I wouldn't trust myself out hunting without some type of adjustable sight at the least..if your dead on consistently hunt it. No matter what adjustable sights in my opinion are worth the money. It's not wing shooting unless you miss.and I wouldn't recommend that either.
There are shims for cast-on and cast-off (i.e. left and right), or you could take the shims out for no cast.
I had a Beretta that shot off for me, and found that the shims in the gun were set for a left handed shooter, and shot way to the left for me... Trading them out for the proper shims was an immediate solution.
Thanks,didn't know that...Learn something everyday...
Quote from: 1iagobblergetter on February 19, 2017, 04:57:16 PM
Looks good and centered to me. Post the 6s if you pattern them if you get a chance..I'm a fan of more pellets myself as long as I don't have to shoot 3.5in to get them. Lol...
Does to me too. Wouldn't be afraid to shoot a turkey @ 40 with that pattern. And I'm going to try to soon! I'll be sure and post pics!
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Honestly, I would just slap on a set of sights, fix the POI issue, and go kill a turkey!
I had a 20" 835 that I had missed a few birds with. I then got a left handed SBE 2 and did much better with it. I really didnt know enough about shotguns at the time. I should have just fixed the shim for a l/h shooter. I wish I didn't sell the 835.
Are you right or left handed reason I ask buddy of mine had supper Nova and factory trigger pull was awful "Lawyer Trigger" with that said left handed and heavy trigger will tend to pull POI off to the left.
A Simmons pro diamond scope is an affordable option.
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