Well been reading on this forum for about a year now and got all caught up in the action. I went out and bought a new barrel, had it polished, bought me a couple of chokes, and some hevi-13 shells. Went out yesterday and set everything up to pattern my shotgun. I was only able to shoot 2 shells through my set up before I found myself curled up in the fetal position crying like a little girl from the recoil of that God forsaken gun. I did manage to get a 220 pellet count out to 40 yards with my gun so that will be just fine with me. My hats off to you nutjobs who enjoy testing every new choke under the sun, but I'm not man enough. Sam
I've Got 2 words for this, "Lead sled" Marty
Thank you Lord for the lead sled . :icon_thumright:
yep lead sled, but I only use a sled to make sure my pattern is on.. I find the magblends kick , so do nitros and winchester hv's and elites but the 1090 fps heavy 13s to me isn't to much at all. After shooting the others these are the baby shells ;D
I had a gentelman tell me one time that leadsleads are bad about spliting stock right behind the reciever, any truth to that? And what do you all use to wiegh it down with?
Obviously, you guys can't take much pain..
Suck it up buttercup! LOL Just kidding
I have not fired a 3.5" Nitro, but those dang Win XR's are some bad mamma jammas. The last one I fired I must have had my mouth open a little bit, must be a mouth breather :) , and I swear I thought I chipped my dang teeth.
The Win. Hi-Velocity's are worse. They are 1300 F.P.S. For a factory load, they are not fit for man nor beast..
I put 3 --25lb bags of lead shot on my sled...
I don't have a lead sled, but I do wear my soft body armor when pattern testing.
You still feel the recoil, but it's nowhere near as bad as shooting with the buttpad against your shoulder.
ONE WORD------------------------------------LIMBSAVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The dumbest thing i've ever done in my 30 years of life, was touch off one of those winchester high velocity 3.5 inch no. 4's out of a Mossy 835 tactical. It's pretty much an 18inch piece of steel pipe, bolted to some plastic with a 1/2 inch piece of hard rubber on top of that for a 'recoil pad". I hit myself in the cheekbone so hard, I swore half my face fell off, and the gun ejected the shell all by itself, just like a semi! The hevi 13's out of my ]Benelli SBEII are a dream compared to that!
everyone has different tollerances for recoil. get a lead sled and you will be fine sighting in. just wondering. what gun do you have?
Quote from: snapper1982 on April 06, 2011, 06:02:49 PM
everyone has different tollerances for recoil. get a lead sled and you will be fine sighting in. just wondering. what gun do you have?
I have a remington 870 shooting 3 1/2, 2 1/4 oz shot #6. I've always been able to take recoil pretty well but yesterday took the cake. Thanks goodness they only kick on paper.
Quote from: SinGin on April 06, 2011, 06:07:20 PM
I have a remington 870 shooting 3 1/2, 2 1/4 oz shot #6. I've always been able to take recoil pretty well but yesterday took the cake. Thanks goodness they only kick on paper.
Shooting the Hevi13's? If so you really owe it to yourself to get some of the Win XR's or Win HV's in 3.5" and touch a few off in a t-shirt. You'll be letting 8yr olds hunt with H13's after that cause, "no, these don't kick."
TF is right, 3.5" HV are the most brutal shells I shoot. H13s are pu$$ycats in comparison.
I shoot 20-30 turkey loads at some sessions with nothing but a Past recoil shield and it definitely calls for the bottle of Advil and some R&R afterwards.
You gotta love it...
They will knock the snot outta ya.. :you_rock:
It really takes a bunch of rocket surgeons to use a gun with more recoil than most elephant rifles and go hunt birds with it.
Quote from: Hognutz on April 06, 2011, 06:16:32 PM
They will knock the snot outta ya.. :you_rock:
Now that you mention it, I haven't had to blow my nose since about 1:30 yesterday. So are you guys saying that the Hevi-13's do or do not kick bad because in my personal experience they DO. Oh what I wouldn't give for some Vicodin right about now.
Oh, and another thing. Who ever said a ported choke tube helps cut down on recoil is a big fat liar. The tip of my left index finger is still numb from something.
The Hevi13's are nothing compared to the Win XR or Win HV 3.5's, they mean.
Quote from: Tom Foolery on April 06, 2011, 06:58:39 PM
The Hevi13's are nothing compared to the Win XR or Win HV 3.5's, they mean.
You have got to be kidding. I don't think any shell kicks as bad as those hevi-13's did. After my first shot the first thing that went through my head was "oh dear Lord I survied the impact"
Nope, not joking. :z-guntootsmiley:
A Limbsaver recoil pad will help a lot.
I patterned my SBEII this last weekend. I shot three 3-1/2" win HVs and saved one for my father in law. He just looked at me and said with the straightest face I have ever seen "you gotta be f@$":/; insane....... I ain't shooting one of those, I will be in traction for a week!". Funny stuff.
Ya hevi-13 aint got nothing on the high velocity winchesters. 3.5" HV are the only shell you will ever see me hunting with. Have had too many issues with hevi shot.
Now I have a pretty high threshold for pain but...Put a load of #6 3 1/2" Win. Ext Rng. throught that thing...you'll get to know what true recoil is. And those 2 1/4 ounce Mag Blends? :'( Clacked my teeth together (must be a mouth breather too?) this past Monday and Tuesday my right arm was sore from the shoulder to the tips of my fingers. I'm all recouped now and I have the next 2 days off so it's back to the range for more self abuse! Geez...is it required that you have to be into hurting yourself to turkey hunt??!! :TooFunny: Lookin at a lead sled as someone said on a previous thread..."I like my right shoulder...It's my favorite!"
I slip a towel under my jacket. I did add a Limbsaver this year though.
Good luck carrying the lead sled out in the woods with ya!! ;D :lol:
My FIL ended up breaking the stock on his .270 when he dropped it in the woods, and it wasn't the kind of fall that would've broken it.. He had sighted it in with a lead sled. I believe the lead sled weakened the stock.
I shot my Moss 500 last week...fed her some heavy 5's for the first time first shot split my lip...Finished shooting a few boxes and left bloody....Awesome!! :you_rock:
Quote from: lmbhngr on April 06, 2011, 08:40:00 PM
Good luck carrying the lead sled out in the woods with ya!! ;D :lol:
You wouldn't believe the amount of crap my buddy brings with him into the woods!! So a led sled is almost not a strecth for him. :lol:
I would not suggest a lead sled for the woods. Turkey hunting is usually a one shot hunt and the excitement is so good you will not notice the recoil when a nice gobbler is in front of you. On the other hand, trying to pattern a gun at the range will wear your shoulder out in a hurry. Use it there for sure!
PS for those of you looking to save $$$ when getting a lead sled. I learned the hard way that enough lead to weight down a lead sled cost as much or more than the sled itself. I contacted a buddy who runs a tire store and he sold me lead tire weights 200 lbs for $20.00. You can also usually find Chromite (Hevi) sand at a foundry that is twice as heavy as play sand too. Otherwise look forward to $150.00 to 200 bucks for lead shot.
A few years ago I shot 23 of the Winchester HV 3 1/2s out of my 870 (no lead sled) in one day. I was trying to decide what choke I wanted to hunt with,what size shot I needed to use, and then had to sight my scope in for the shell and choke I decided on. After all that shooting my cheap tasco went fuzzy and you couldnt even see the reticle.... I have since purchased a lead sled and a better scope. I use homemade sand bags in my lead sled.
nothing like a hard kicking gun to make you feel alive !!!!
Turkey in front of me or not I would have the thought of getting kicked by a mule everytime I pulled the trigger!
As said before.... Get a lead sled and two 5lb. ankle weights to set on the sled. The key to the lead sled is to "not" put too much weight on it. The sled is a life saver brother!
bird
Quote from: bird on April 06, 2011, 10:27:10 PM
As said before.... Get a lead sled and two 5lb. ankle weights to set on the sled. The key to the lead sled is to "not" put too much weight on it. The sled is a life saver brother!
bird
Bird is right, I use a bag of shot that is about half full, it takes alot of the kick but your shoulder still takes some and the load. the gun stock has to move some, if you put the stock on a block wall and shoot there is no give and it may crack it.
Sims Limbsaver and Beartooth=not curling up in fetal postition
I have a Knoxx Stock and a Limbsaver on my 870 SM and it is a dream to shoot. I also added the powerpack cheek raiser thing a ma bobber on it and it really helps.
Good news everyone, I finally got all the feeling back in my left index finger. I'm glad I'm not the only one getting my butt kicked at the range. My birthday is Sunday, so if anyone wants to get me a lead sled that would be great. Then I can stop my man crying. :z-guntootsmiley:
I just got back from shooting. 8 rounds of various 3.5", no lead sled, no towel, just a heavy denim jacket and a limb saver pad. No blue shoulder, no pain other than my trigger finger where the B-Square mount caught it. 265 in 10 at 40 with Hevi Mag Blends 5,6,7's. Bring on the turkeys.
worst gun i ever touched off was a mossy 835 with 22 inch barrel and one of those real little synthetic stocks.. fired 5 times with the 3.5 win hv's and on the 5th shot it cracked my nose.. told my buddy if he wanted it any better to do it him self. he shot it one time. and never shot a turkey that year and then sold the gun.
Quote from: bbcoach on April 06, 2011, 05:51:45 PM
ONE WORD------------------------------------LIMBSAVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That helps, A LOT!
Patterning my 1300 a couple of years ago, I had my right thumb too far down the top of the pistol grip of the stock. When that gun went off with the Winchester load in it, the muzzle jump put the big knuckle of my thumb right into the bridge of my nose.
I can't believe it didn't break, the way it hurt...Now that thumb always rides way up high toward the receiver.
Quote from: snapper1982 on April 09, 2011, 10:30:05 PM
worst gun i ever touched off was a mossy 835 with 22 inch barrel and one of those real little synthetic stocks.. fired 5 times with the 3.5 win hv's and on the 5th shot it cracked my nose.. told my buddy if he wanted it any better to do it him self. he shot it one time. and never shot a turkey that year and then sold the gun.
I will give you that -- the 835 is mean. But it doesn't come close to the NEF single shot they sold about 15 years ago when the 12 ga. 3.5" first hit the scene for turkeys. Maybe you guys remember it -- It was dipped in the old Mossy Oak Bottomland camo, and weighed about 6 pounds, maybe less. It did not have the heavy 10 ga. barrel on it. A dream to carry, but hell to shoot.
I shot that thing 4 times with Winchester Supreme 3.5" #6 to try and get it to pattern. I was black and blue to the sternum, and down my right arm almost to the elbow. Traded it for a Mossy 500 after that first year. I really miss carrying it, but do not miss shooting that miserable gun. A feel bad for the guy who has it today...
Quote from: bbcoach on April 06, 2011, 05:51:45 PM
ONE WORD------------------------------------LIMBSAVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got a limbsaver recoil pad as part of a gun package deal a few years back. Sold the shotgun for what I had in it and kept the limbsaver. I put it on my shotgun when I'm patterning. I haven't shot the Mag Blends yet, but I'll find out about them towards the end of the week.
From working in a physics dept. and testing every 3.5" turkey shell made in the last five years, it is very clear that a 3.5" shell was never intended to be shot from a 12 gauge shotgun. The barrel opening is simply not big enough for this type of charge to dissipate, thus creating severe recoil and punishment to the shooter. The 3.5" shell works great in a 10 gauge and even better in a 8 gauge if you dare.
The 3" shell is all you need in the 12 gauge so save yourself some pain and a lot of money a 3" shell will kill a turkey just as dead as the 3.5" shell while preserving your manhood and being a more accurate shooter.
Quote from: paboxcall on April 09, 2011, 11:29:48 PM
Quote from: snapper1982 on April 09, 2011, 10:30:05 PM
worst gun i ever touched off was a mossy 835 with 22 inch barrel and one of those real little synthetic stocks.. fired 5 times with the 3.5 win hv's and on the 5th shot it cracked my nose.. told my buddy if he wanted it any better to do it him self. he shot it one time. and never shot a turkey that year and then sold the gun.
I will give you that -- the 835 is mean. But it doesn't come close to the NEF single shot they sold about 15 years ago when the 12 ga. 3.5" first hit the scene for turkeys. Maybe you guys remember it -- It was dipped in the old Mossy Oak Bottomland camo, and weighed about 6 pounds, maybe less. It did not have the heavy 10 ga. barrel on it. A dream to carry, but hell to shoot.
I shot that thing 4 times with Winchester Supreme 3.5" #6 to try and get it to pattern. I was black and blue to the sternum, and down my right arm almost to the elbow. Traded it for a Mossy 500 after that first year. I really miss carrying it, but do not miss shooting that miserable gun. A feel bad for the guy who has it today...
I remember those. A guy I knew bought one and took it home to his range. He stoked it full of Win 3.5" 2oz #4's, sat down on a cool and cut drive across his yard at a beer can, what else would you pattern at? He was setting on the edge of his yard which was on the edge of a big hill. Aat the shot cooler, gun and he rolled plumb to the bottom of said hill. That was his one and only round from the NEF turkey slayer.
As far as splitting stocks, I did read a few years ago about a wood stocked bolt action chambered for something like a .460 Weatherby Mag and the shooter loaded the sled to the max. That sled had nowhere to go and the stock took the brunt of it. My bare sled alone weighs 23 pounds,and with another 8-10 for the shotgun or rifle that's usually enough to make it manageable. I've never read of a synthetic stock splitting.
I shot ALOT of clay pigeons . 2-3 times a week ill go to the back forty and set up my machine and shoot easy 200 rounds of 2 3/4 #8s and 5 boxes of clays. All I use is a slip on recoil pad. That being said, i still use my lead sled when patterning my turkey gun. Although the kick doesnt bother me at all.